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TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 10:20:45
December 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#1
Hey guys, I'm new to the team liquid forums.
I am going to become a Professional SC2 player! It's something I know I want to do, and I want to support esports in my own way. To achieve this, and keep myself motivated, I am going to archive my way to the top. I'd love to hear any feedback from the community on ideas how I can work to make myself better.

If you have the time and are interested, I have my intro video up on youtube explaining in detail my plans to achieve my goal, please check it out and let me know what you think!


Much love to the SC community!
<333333


*
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 10:15:56
December 08 2011 10:11 GMT
#2
Hello and welcome to the community!

But sadly my first advice I give to you has to be that this kind of stuff is not allowed.
You can blog about your progress and all, but your first post having a link to your youtube channel and very little content is pretty much just advertising and you either have to pay for it(sponsored thread) or be already an established part of the community if you just want to throw in a link here and there. But for now, you should remove the link.

I am in no way a moderator or someone that can enforce this, so take it just as a suggestion and friendly advice as I saw a lot of these threads and pretty much everyone got closed(at least the ones that I know of).

So, gl hf on your journey!
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
December 08 2011 10:13 GMT
#3
First thing.People who archive their way to the top usually don't make it.

If I were you. I would not archive it. instead of spending time uploading and making videos. Spend your time practicing. Spending even a hour on a video when you can be playing is not a wise choice. Just practice your heart out and play to your best. Nobody got to be a progamer through making youtube videos. If that were the case we'd all be pros by now.

Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
December 08 2011 10:15 GMT
#4
Few make it and dedication is one of the most important factors for those that aren't inherently brilliant.
Good luck.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
December 08 2011 10:16 GMT
#5
Kind of off topic, but are you in Gold?
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#6
I apologize I didn't know I wasn't supposed to throw up a link. I only ment to show my support for Starcraft and eSports. I have removed the link, but have every intention to continue! =D

I see your point masterbreti, but I really want to show my progress, so others can see in the future that you can reach such a goal if you put in the work and time.

And yes Grend, I am currenlty Gold =D I think I'm pretty average, but I will make it even if I'm working till SC8 comes out =D

Thank you for the comments, I really appreciate the "good lucks" =D
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 10:30:44
December 08 2011 10:29 GMT
#7
On December 08 2011 19:26 TheBobackwards wrote:
I apologize I didn't know I wasn't supposed to throw up a link. I only ment to show my support for Starcraft and eSports. I have removed the link, but have every intention to continue! =D

I know that(because I assume that you are good person and not a spambot!:D)!
And as I said, it was just a friendly suggestion. Maybe if you ask a moderator if you can post the link it will be fine, maybe I'm completely wrong and there are only special cases when it gets closed.. As I said, I'm no official so everything I say is based off of the rules I read and my experience(And the Closed threads forum :D) .

As for suggestions for practice, imho the "korean approach" is best, where you first learn the mechanics and the strategical part. But thats just my 2 cents!
And did you ever think of coaching? Given the right coach, it can really make the difference!
Volrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia21 Posts
December 08 2011 10:37 GMT
#8
Welcome to the community Bob, if u need someone to help you with your goal i would be glad to practice with you, i am a plat toss atm and always need people to learn against, if ur intrested Volrod 343, i play on the US servers i assume you do too, and am on alot, either way good luck
TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 08 2011 10:37 GMT
#9
I'd love to get coaching, it'd be really cool to get coaching from Gosu Coaching, but i'm on the poor side, at the moment.

I'm glad to say that's exactly what I'm doing at the moment, I first want to get my basic mechanics down. Such as this week, i'm purely focusing on not getting supply blocked (which I've learned I'm actually terrible at =P) On top of all of that I'm a huge Day 9 fan, and watch his show religiously, and that has been very helpful.
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 08 2011 10:38 GMT
#10
Thank you Volrod! I'll be sure to add you during tomorrow's practice! That will really be a great help.
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#11
just post the video not the link to your channel
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Volrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia21 Posts
December 08 2011 10:41 GMT
#12
No problem Bob you need help and so do i and im sure it will work out well :D,

PS Nazgul your icon scared the crap outta me :S never seen it b4
TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 08 2011 10:42 GMT
#13
Thank you Nazgul! Again, sorry for the trouble.

Here is the video:



"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
Dubpace
Profile Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
December 08 2011 11:07 GMT
#14
I can't wait for you to run into someone that just seems just absolutely unbeatable because of how naturally talented they are at this game. Stephano is a great example of this. I wish you the best of luck, but there is a very VERY hard road ahead of you. Harder than you think.
TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 08 2011 11:09 GMT
#15
Believe me I know =D Thank you for the support!
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
BeneTan
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany12 Posts
December 08 2011 11:39 GMT
#16
no offence but do u realy think its the best idea to say your going pro if u are gold league?
sorry man but you should first see if your even able to even get to top masters. there is still a big step from high masters to GM and even a bigger step from GM to pro. and 4 hours a day wont make you a pro. you shoudlnt say i ll go pro maybe just say i ll go masters. because masters is pretty easy to get but going pro is just too hard and it takes so long that its easy to say i ll go pro but after 2 month you just get frustrated because you didnt think it was so hard
dont get it wrong^^ i hope u make it gl and hf
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 12:29:59
December 08 2011 12:16 GMT
#17
On December 08 2011 20:39 BeneTan wrote:
no offence but do u realy think its the best idea to say your going pro if u are gold league?
sorry man but you should first see if your even able to even get to top masters. there is still a big step from high masters to GM and even a bigger step from GM to pro. and 4 hours a day wont make you a pro. you shoudlnt say i ll go pro maybe just say i ll go masters. because masters is pretty easy to get but going pro is just too hard and it takes so long that its easy to say i ll go pro but after 2 month you just get frustrated because you didnt think it was so hard
dont get it wrong^^ i hope u make it gl and hf


This. Most people I know got ranked Plat-Diamond when playing the game for the first time. The fact that you know that it's possible to be a professional playing this game and that you are in Gold contradicts your goal imo.

Set attainable goals imo. lol Gold thinking of going pro is just ridiculous.

Even tho I can't even wrap my head around why you think this is even a possibility, I'll still wish you good luck because I just can't root against anyone wanting to go pro. So yeah, imo set more realistic goals and good luck because you'll need it.
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
December 08 2011 12:25 GMT
#18
it's fun in BW there never ever was any thread like this haha

i don't know what makes people believe it's something easily attainable

i guess getting owned in sc2 doesn't humble you as much as in bw
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 08 2011 12:30 GMT
#19
Hehe this is actually kinda funny.
About 1 week ago i got pretty much the same idea, and i don't think it's uncommon.

What triggered me was actually watching some games on DH, where i just felt "omg, how can this guy be considered a pro" (no name-dropping)

Although i won't start my project until early january.

Gl to you tho.
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
December 08 2011 12:31 GMT
#20
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Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
December 08 2011 13:02 GMT
#21
I'm sorry but you have no chance of making it, you're wasting your time and effort. There's several blog posts like this every week and none of them ever get anywhere. A lot of people currently in GM league couldn't go pro even if they wanted to.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 08 2011 13:06 GMT
#22


watch this and see if your good to go still.
ChronoCat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 13:28:18
December 08 2011 13:27 GMT
#23
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU

watch this and see if your good to go still.


I've only watched half of it, but wow, this is the perfect video to show people who claim they "want to go pro" when they don't realize it's not just simply a choice anyone can make. Talent exists, and no amount of hardwork or practice can guarantee that you'll ever be good enough. You don't go pro by just deciding one day that you want to. You play the game, and find out if you're good at it or not. If you are, then by all means, go ahead and try. But if you've played the game for a few weeks and are still stuck in silver/gold/plat... Chances are you're probably not good enough.

OP, realize that becoming a pro-gamer isn't just about "working hard" and "mass gaming". Play the game more and if you genuinely think you're better than the average person at this game, only then can you start thinking about MAYBE "going pro".
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 13:30:15
December 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#24
On December 08 2011 22:27 ChronoCat wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU

watch this and see if your good to go still.


I've only watched half of it, but wow, this is the perfect video to show people who claim they "want to go pro" when they don't realize it's not just simply a choice anyone can make. Talent exists, and no amount of hardwork or practice can guarantee that you'll ever be good enough. You don't go pro by just deciding one day that you want to. You play the game, and find out if you're good at it or not. If you are, then by all means, go ahead and try. But if you've played the game for a few weeks and are still stuck in silver/gold/plat... Chances are you're probably not good enough.

OP, realize that becoming a pro-gamer isn't just about "working hard" and "mass gaming". Play the game more and if you genuinely think you're better than the average person at this game, only then can you start thinking about MAYBE "going pro".


Except that the problem here is that more established SC2 progamers, like IdrA, have the opinion that hard work is definitely the way to go. And I intend to agree with him more than with LastShadow, although I do respect him..
ChronoCat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
266 Posts
December 08 2011 13:56 GMT
#25
On December 08 2011 22:29 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 22:27 ChronoCat wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU

watch this and see if your good to go still.


I've only watched half of it, but wow, this is the perfect video to show people who claim they "want to go pro" when they don't realize it's not just simply a choice anyone can make. Talent exists, and no amount of hardwork or practice can guarantee that you'll ever be good enough. You don't go pro by just deciding one day that you want to. You play the game, and find out if you're good at it or not. If you are, then by all means, go ahead and try. But if you've played the game for a few weeks and are still stuck in silver/gold/plat... Chances are you're probably not good enough.

OP, realize that becoming a pro-gamer isn't just about "working hard" and "mass gaming". Play the game more and if you genuinely think you're better than the average person at this game, only then can you start thinking about MAYBE "going pro".


Except that the problem here is that more established SC2 progamers, like IdrA, have the opinion that hard work is definitely the way to go. And I intend to agree with him more than with LastShadow, although I do respect him..


I know of IdrA's famous quote about hard work, but which other established progamers think that hard work is the more important factor?

By no means am I saying that hard work is not important. It's the only way you get better! And it's the main reason the Koreans are so good at the game; They practice very, very hard.

But at the end of the day, talent + hard work will always triumph over hard work alone. If you're genuinely bad at the game, (e.g. stuck in silver after a month of playing), then no amount of hard work is going to help you beat someone who's naturally gifted at it. If you're average or slightly above average at the game, then there's a chance that through very hard work you'll be able to be good enough to compete at a high level, though probably not good enough to make a living out of it. Either way, it's still very important to gauge your skill level and natural talent, and how much of an impact hard work actually has on your improvement.

I think a good example of someone who works hard but simply isn't talented enough is cArn. Now I might be completely wrong since I don't know much about him and barely follow the SC2 scene anymore, but I know he put everything aside and focused everything on SC2 practice in Korea back then. Practicing in Korea is pretty much THE best way to get better, and he did that for months. Yes, he's pretty good, and I'd consider him a high-level player... But he's never really gotten any real results. I'm very certain he's put in the hours and effort, but I personally believe he just doesn't have enough talent (note: I didn't say he has NO talent, I said not enough) to be able to compete at the top, top level. The only reason he's as good as he is right now is because he worked extremely hard for it. (I apologize if I have my facts wrong, but hopefully my I've gotten my point across).

So in a way... Yes, even if you're not oozing out SC2 talent, you can be pretty damn good at the game just through sheer practice alone. But you're gonna need at least SOME amount of talent to be a high level player. If you're just naturally bad at the game (yes, there is such a thing), you'll very quickly reach a skill ceiling and cease to improve no matter how hard you try. I know this because I've experienced it myself (not in SC2 specifically).

Also, to add to that, I recall an old interview with IdrA, and when asked about how he broke into the competitive scene, I distinctly remember him saying that after playing BW for a while, he noticed he was a lot better than his friends and decided to go for it. That right there isn't hard work, but realization of talent. Sure, IdrA probably practices a LOT now, but if I've got my facts right, realization of talent is still what got him started.
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
December 08 2011 14:05 GMT
#26
On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU

watch this and see if your good to go still.


Great vid, I haven't seen that one before for some reason, thanks for posting it. I agree 100% with everything lastshadow said.
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 14:10:23
December 08 2011 14:08 GMT
#27
On December 08 2011 19:26 TheBobackwards wrote:
I apologize I didn't know I wasn't supposed to throw up a link. I only ment to show my support for Starcraft and eSports. I have removed the link, but have every intention to continue! =D

I see your point masterbreti, but I really want to show my progress, so others can see in the future that you can reach such a goal if you put in the work and time.

And yes Grend, I am currenlty Gold =D I think I'm pretty average, but I will make it even if I'm working till SC8 comes out =D

Thank you for the comments, I really appreciate the "good lucks" =D


Okay you have quite a long way to go, but I think you may gain something from this one way or another

You should put up the video!
I found it entertaining and well produced
Good luck!
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 14:17:01
December 08 2011 14:14 GMT
#28
On December 08 2011 22:56 ChronoCat wrote:
So in a way... Yes, even if you're not oozing out SC2 talent, you can be pretty damn good at the game just through sheer practice alone. But you're gonna need at least SOME amount of talent to be a high level player. If you're just naturally bad at the game (yes, there is such a thing), you'll very quickly reach a skill ceiling and cease to improve no matter how hard you try. I know this because I've experienced it myself (not in SC2 specifically).

Also, to add to that, I recall an old interview with IdrA, and when asked about how he broke into the competitive scene, I distinctly remember him saying that after playing BW for a while, he noticed he was a lot better than his friends and decided to go for it. That right there isn't hard work, but realization of talent. Sure, IdrA probably practices a LOT now, but if I've got my facts right, realization of talent is still what got him started.

Okay first... You don't know why he was that good at the time. Maybe he already played 24/7( = whenever he could), so I won't pick up on that..

Also, talent usually makes no difference in the beginning, if anything it makes it easier for you to learn. Talent will also make a difference in the highest level possible.

However,
You're suggesting(or at least thats what it sounds like) that someone with very high talent will be automatically be better than someone that does not have that much talent.
As I said, this can be true for a certain period of time OR if both basically do practice the same amount of time, but until that point talent plays no role in the game. And if both equally work hard and efficently, talent won't play a big role(It WILL make the difference between winning and losing, but it won't be "bronze vs GM".)

Now here's the deal:
Mass gaming is not the same as practicing. Practicing includes a certain pattern, style or just routines that are proven to be efficient. For example in football you don't just play the game over and over again, but practice specific things over and over until you can do it while you sleep, and THEN you do it in the game.

I don't know how cArn practices but I'm assuming that he has issues to practice efficiently or he is simply bad. Being bad isn't the opposite of having talent, it's just lack of certain things that come into play ... But it all comes down to what, how and how often/long you practice.

So, in my opinion talent doesn't decide whether you can be professional or play on a high level, but practice does. Talent will decide whether or not you will be the number 1 or not(and I think thats where we agree).
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 14:45:14
December 08 2011 14:44 GMT
#29
This may be hard, unreal for someone, but at least OP got balls to try it ,even having work, i don't see a reason why anybody who loves eSports shouldn't try it for few months, it will shape you as a person, you probably learn whats hard work mean, if you didn't before. I see a lot of hate rather then criticism in peoples responses. OP even got a 20 min video to show that hes doing that no matter what (Hope that you stick to your words).

Personally , i don't believe in talent, i believe that talent is just a huge passion inside crawling to do and become good at things we like. There's no certain way of knowing if it even exist. But hey maybe it is, so maybe destiny also exists, so maybe other stuff, we don't know.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 14:55:20
December 08 2011 14:51 GMT
#30
No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread.

Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys!
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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
December 08 2011 15:23 GMT
#31
On December 08 2011 23:51 Chill wrote:
No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread.

Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys!


please vlog about your progress
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 08 2011 15:31 GMT
#32
I guarantee you are going to fail. But good luck.
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TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 08 2011 16:02 GMT
#33
I just wanted to say, I am going to work very hard, I do not think this will be easy by any means. I'm definately not expecting to be a pro in a few months, hell I don't know if i'll even reach diamond by then. I fully expect myself to be working hard for years to come.

I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D

I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
December 08 2011 17:02 GMT
#34
On December 09 2011 01:02 TheBobackwards wrote:
I just wanted to say, I am going to work very hard, I do not think this will be easy by any means. I'm definately not expecting to be a pro in a few months, hell I don't know if i'll even reach diamond by then. I fully expect myself to be working hard for years to come.

I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D

I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D

If you don't expect to reach diamond in a few months, then don't even try.
Because everything below High Masters = scrubs.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:12:25
December 08 2011 17:11 GMT
#35
On December 09 2011 01:02 TheBobackwards wrote:
I just wanted to say, I am going to work very hard, I do not think this will be easy by any means. I'm definately not expecting to be a pro in a few months, hell I don't know if i'll even reach diamond by then. I fully expect myself to be working hard for years to come.

I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D

I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D

For reference, look at the number of people who have said and then became pro (0).
Conversely, look at the people who didn't say shit, went and trained hard, and then become known from nothing (MANY).
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HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
December 08 2011 17:13 GMT
#36
On December 08 2011 23:51 Chill wrote:
No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread.

Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys!


I sense i bit of sarcasm in the edit <3 <3 <3 <3
ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
December 08 2011 17:24 GMT
#37
These posts are insults to many. It's not as easy as people tend to say it is and I have yet to see one good player emerge from these posts.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
December 08 2011 17:36 GMT
#38
On December 09 2011 02:24 -Illusion- wrote:
These posts are insults to many. It's not as easy as people tend to say it is and I have yet to see one good player emerge from these posts.

No don't worry. Chill 2016 new prime minister fighting.
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 08 2011 17:43 GMT
#39
On December 09 2011 02:36 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:24 -Illusion- wrote:
These posts are insults to many. It's not as easy as people tend to say it is and I have yet to see one good player emerge from these posts.

No don't worry. Chill 2016 new prime minister fighting.


I love how you're constantly addressing the lack of a proper definition for the term "pro player".
icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
December 08 2011 17:43 GMT
#40
Chill guys its not like he is in bronze league!

If he has spidery spider fingers he can make it.
I am the Punishment of God. If you had not commited great sins, god would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 17:54 GMT
#41
Oh boy,

These type of blogs are becoming more common than Girl Blogs. I think some people are entirely clueless as to what it takes to make it as a pro and I highly doubt there are many Kolll's in this world. Anyway, best of luck. Hopefully this journey gives you more respect for those players who consistently get decent results.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
December 08 2011 17:59 GMT
#42
I just posted in a blog like this! Admittedly that one was about going to Korea and becoming a pro.

Let me quote myself
A few minutes ago GMarshal wrote:
These type of blogs keep re-surging. Everyone seems to want to "go pro".

The bottom line if this. If you aren't already high masters playing no more than 20-30 hours a week, then you probably don't have the natural talent to go. I think you highly underestimate the amount of work it takes to go pro, if you want to go to korea as a pro you have to invest 8 hours a day, every day, to just playing. You have to eat, sleep and breathe starcraft. Its also no just a matter of practicing enough (which I think you will find is not as "fun" as it first seems), its a matter of practicing correctly and having the base talent.

Basically if you have to ask "can I go pro?" you aren't good enough. Grind out your way to GM, play in a few online tournaments, then, if you win, and if you are good enough to join a team, you might be able to go to korea. But don't even think of dumping your education, or anything of the sort, because chances are you aren't cut out to be a pro.


People keep confusing having fun with something, with having a passion for something. I can assure you that without passion and a strong work ethic you will never make a dime as a SC2 player.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 18:04 GMT
#43
Agreed Marshal,

I think I should write an editorial on why this very question is ridiculous and why very few will make it. I think it's time to snip it in the butt. -_-
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
December 08 2011 18:08 GMT
#44
The blog section is INUNDATED with this kind of stuff, really an eye-sore.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
December 08 2011 18:09 GMT
#45
On December 09 2011 03:04 StarStruck wrote:
Agreed Marshal,

I think I should write an editorial on why this very question is ridiculous and why very few will make it. I think it's time to snip it in the butt. -_-

Someone did.
I mean you could make a longer version, but I really doubt that the type of people who are writing these blogs are going to read it.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:33:03
December 08 2011 18:31 GMT
#46
On December 09 2011 03:09 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 03:04 StarStruck wrote:
Agreed Marshal,

I think I should write an editorial on why this very question is ridiculous and why very few will make it. I think it's time to snip it in the butt. -_-

Someone did.
I mean you could make a longer version, but I really doubt that the type of people who are writing these blogs are going to read it.


I meant an actual editorial that sums up the whole opposed to the pieces. >_<

Something that would be good enough for the SC2 Forums opposed to a blog.

It really is time to make some clear distinctions between the different groups as there are many even at the higher divisions.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
December 08 2011 18:40 GMT
#47
GL HF
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ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
December 08 2011 18:44 GMT
#48
Ahh, I like you, cool idea, attitude, but like many others have said, you've got almost no idea what you're getting yourself into.

Becoming a pro-gamer, as good as the top guys, is x1000 harder than what it looks like.

You seem awesome, but do not strike me as the guy who can put in the work/passion to make this work. Maybe a better role is making video's, commentating, something on the side/fan based.

Also, yes, we love day9, but a lot of people will get insulted when you mention Day9 in the same sentence as Athene. Most oldschool players know how Athene fought his way to the top, it was with decieving, scamming, trolling, abusing, cheating. And the TTTT, is mostly for him to get more views. He also made a "jump" into SC2, with his usual trolling, having someone make an Athene nick and play on his nick. Ok, I'll stop, but I could talk trash about that guy for ages, online, I seem to like virtually everyone, but not that guy. I love esports, and he pee's on it in my eyes. Me no like, but that's subjective, and I understand people have different views.

And to put it in perspective. I've not played "hardcore" for a lot of years. When SC2 came, after placements I was Diamond, when MAster League was implemented, Masters after another few games. Not hard or straining. Virtually everyone who went to become "sick" atleast started around that level. And then take it from there.

Master level is incredible low skillcap when you're over it, it's feels like minimum critera to even begin. More realisticly, you should be doing well in GM league to then take it to the next level. Most Pro's when practicing hardcore, go seek out other pro's for practice, and in a way, that can be seen as over GM level in many cases.

Going from mid or low Masters to top 8 masters close to end of a season, it x10 as difficult as going from bronze to Master. Going from Master to GM is harder still.
Link to my serious blog, where I am serious and spreads truth, knowledge and "serious" stuff: http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=982066
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
December 08 2011 18:56 GMT
#49
Best of luck! All the greats call their success before they do something big.

Babe Ruth and his point to the outfield before he homered it,
Muhammad Ali told Joe Frazier he was going to beat him before he actually did,
and Coach Bombay from the Mighty Ducks 2 before they took the world championships.

Good luck! This is all yours.
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
December 08 2011 19:18 GMT
#50
On December 08 2011 23:51 Chill wrote:
No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread.

Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys!


Chill, you haven't even written a single blog detailing your plans and progress yet. How do you ever hope to become prime minister? If you were in earnest, you would have written at least 10 blogs by now. I don't think you have what it takes to be honest.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
December 08 2011 19:41 GMT
#51
On December 09 2011 04:18 Mothra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 23:51 Chill wrote:
No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread.

Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys!


Chill, you haven't even written a single blog detailing your plans and progress yet. How do you ever hope to become prime minister? If you were in earnest, you would have written at least 10 blogs by now. I don't think you have what it takes to be honest.

I read this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071130114908AAn7glj
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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
December 08 2011 20:07 GMT
#52
On December 08 2011 21:16 TuElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:39 BeneTan wrote:
no offence but do u realy think its the best idea to say your going pro if u are gold league?
sorry man but you should first see if your even able to even get to top masters. there is still a big step from high masters to GM and even a bigger step from GM to pro. and 4 hours a day wont make you a pro. you shoudlnt say i ll go pro maybe just say i ll go masters. because masters is pretty easy to get but going pro is just too hard and it takes so long that its easy to say i ll go pro but after 2 month you just get frustrated because you didnt think it was so hard
dont get it wrong^^ i hope u make it gl and hf


This. Most people I know got ranked Plat-Diamond when playing the game for the first time. The fact that you know that it's possible to be a professional playing this game and that you are in Gold contradicts your goal imo.

Set attainable goals imo. lol Gold thinking of going pro is just ridiculous.

Even tho I can't even wrap my head around why you think this is even a possibility, I'll still wish you good luck because I just can't root against anyone wanting to go pro. So yeah, imo set more realistic goals and good luck because you'll need it.


I remember tastosis at MLG going on about some player cause he didnt play until retail and he started in bronze....yet bam there he is pwning at MLG. Some ppl have it.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
accordion
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada58 Posts
December 08 2011 21:00 GMT
#53
On December 09 2011 05:07 Audemed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 21:16 TuElite wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:39 BeneTan wrote:
no offence but do u realy think its the best idea to say your going pro if u are gold league?
sorry man but you should first see if your even able to even get to top masters. there is still a big step from high masters to GM and even a bigger step from GM to pro. and 4 hours a day wont make you a pro. you shoudlnt say i ll go pro maybe just say i ll go masters. because masters is pretty easy to get but going pro is just too hard and it takes so long that its easy to say i ll go pro but after 2 month you just get frustrated because you didnt think it was so hard
dont get it wrong^^ i hope u make it gl and hf


This. Most people I know got ranked Plat-Diamond when playing the game for the first time. The fact that you know that it's possible to be a professional playing this game and that you are in Gold contradicts your goal imo.

Set attainable goals imo. lol Gold thinking of going pro is just ridiculous.

Even tho I can't even wrap my head around why you think this is even a possibility, I'll still wish you good luck because I just can't root against anyone wanting to go pro. So yeah, imo set more realistic goals and good luck because you'll need it.


I remember tastosis at MLG going on about some player cause he didnt play until retail and he started in bronze....yet bam there he is pwning at MLG. Some ppl have it.

But did you read that guys going pro blog?
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
December 08 2011 21:11 GMT
#54
Even if you play 10 hours a day, everyday for the next year, this will still never happen for you. Sorry.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 21:20:40
December 08 2011 21:17 GMT
#55
On December 08 2011 21:31 Inori wrote:
Sorry if this will seem like bm, but.. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=290350


On December 09 2011 03:09 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 03:04 StarStruck wrote:
Agreed Marshal,

I think I should write an editorial on why this very question is ridiculous and why very few will make it. I think it's time to snip it in the butt. -_-

Someone did.
I mean you could make a longer version, but I really doubt that the type of people who are writing these blogs are going to read it.



and write one he did... http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=292871
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
December 08 2011 21:49 GMT
#56
On December 09 2011 01:02 TheBobackwards wrote:
I just wanted to say, I am going to work very hard, I do not think this will be easy by any means. I'm definately not expecting to be a pro in a few months, hell I don't know if i'll even reach diamond by then. I fully expect myself to be working hard for years to come.

I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D

I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D


There are 200 grandmasters per server and 90% of them have no hope of ever going pro. If you are truly dedicated to reaching this goal, I will encourage you and wish you the best of luck, but I would advise that you don't sacrifice other parts of your life for this goal.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
December 08 2011 23:01 GMT
#57
People always looking for a quick fix. Pros make it look easy. Reality check: it's not.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
HardMacro
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada361 Posts
December 08 2011 23:11 GMT
#58
DON'T LISTEN TO THE NEGATIVE DOWNERs, go for it, shoot for the top. I support you 100%!

In fact, I advocate more people to go people, I will support each and every one of you!


Less competition for white collar jobs ^_^
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:32:33
December 08 2011 23:19 GMT
#59
I can't support this blog, because if I did, I'd be encouraging you to begin a journey into fucking your life so hard that when the moment comes when you hit the infamous "reality check" wall, you'll be left crippled from the impact for life.

But you don't have the balls to do it anyway, so, go TheBobackwards!

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=292871
yawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada200 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:59:36
December 08 2011 23:58 GMT
#60
There are more people breaking into the pro scene than there are successful emerging personailities in the starcraft 2 scene. If you hope to gain fame through your vlogging, know that there are fewer people making a name for themselves with their personality than there are emerging pros. If your goal really is to become #1, then you don't have the time to waste preparing a weekly show/vlog.

Be real with yourself about what it is you want to do because you're not fooling anyone here. Regardless, i wish you the best of luck in whatever your dream may be.

edit: clarified grammar
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TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 09 2011 00:47 GMT
#61
I am very thankful for all the constructive feedback.

This was a fear of mine from the beginning, that by doing what I am, people would mistake what I'm trying to do for fame. This is completely understandable, since I would probably think the same thing. I can only say, that my purpose is not to gain fame while doing this, but to promote others to strive for what they want, and promote eSports as a whole.

I don't expect my words to change any minds, but I'm continuing to work hard so one day I can show the SC community that a gold player can reach the Pro's if they are willing to put in the time and work.

Still love all of you!
<3333
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
December 09 2011 00:58 GMT
#62
im pretty sure that's not what a lot of us are saying... you can do it for whatever reason you want, i couldn't care less; it's just that it's not gonna happen, but that's not my problem. Why do I care? It's a hassle to go through a myriad of "going pro" blogs like yours to get to some of the more interesting blogs on TL. A lot of TL members have interesting anecdotes to tell or thoughts to share, and blogs like these contain neither.
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TheBobackwards
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 09 2011 01:09 GMT
#63
I hope to one day show you that I can, I am working hard, and I know that I am only at the beginning.

I can't say I'm sorry for taking up "blog space", I believe in what I'm trying to do, and am going to continue the way I am.
"When you get ahead, get more aheader."
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
December 09 2011 01:15 GMT
#64
If you're not in masters in 3-5 months you should probably quit. There's a reason why everyone is being generally negative in this thread.
snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
December 09 2011 01:50 GMT
#65
You fucked up the moment you decided to tell the internet about your goals. If anyone, you should really only be telling the people who are the closest to you. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

If you want to amount to anything, disappear now and come back when you actually have something substantial to show.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 01:57 GMT
#66
On December 09 2011 10:09 TheBobackwards wrote:
I hope to one day show you that I can, I am working hard, and I know that I am only at the beginning.

I can't say I'm sorry for taking up "blog space", I believe in what I'm trying to do, and am going to continue the way I am.


Working hard isn't even the half of it. You should read the blog Marshal just wrote. I put my two cents in there too with what to look for.

If you are gold and have been gold for some time. It's going to be a fruitless attempt. Everyone has a skill ceiling.
accordion
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada58 Posts
December 09 2011 03:02 GMT
#67
On December 09 2011 10:09 TheBobackwards wrote:
I hope to one day show you that I can, I am working hard, and I know that I am only at the beginning.

I can't say I'm sorry for taking up "blog space", I believe in what I'm trying to do, and am going to continue the way I am.

You know what would have been interesting?

If you made a youtube video and updated it weekly with your progress, but made all the videos private.Then, when you actually were approaching your goal (say top 10 NA server), you made a thread saying "hey guys I'm going to try to go pro, here's a youtube channel of my progress to date". That's when you make all your youtube videos public and you have this amazing log to show and prove everyone wrong.

What you have right now is the same thing TL has seen since SC2 has been announced. Anyone remember Oversky? I don't think I've ever seen anyone as dedicated as him try to become a pro, and he ended up quitting because he realized the game was shit after playing an ungodly amount of hours.
Grndr101
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium125 Posts
January 02 2012 18:16 GMT
#68
Sorry I lolled at "everyone can do this".

And 4 hours of practice a day... Even with 8 hours a day I'd say you'd have to be a genius and have competitive experience in other RTS. I am at loss for words, people are ignorant.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
January 02 2012 18:36 GMT
#69
Anyone with enough talent to become a SC2 pro would place in masters at the very least within a few days or weeks of getting the game - intuitively learning how it works.

I hate to have to agree with everyone here, but a positive attitude won't help you here. Don't waste a part of your life chasing unattainable dreams.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
January 02 2012 18:39 GMT
#70
Gl, do it just for yourself, not for esports.
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