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Hello Teamliquid
I've decided I will be spending 2 days in prayer & fasting
I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen.
Matt 7:7 (Amplified Bible)
Keep on asking and it will be given you;
keep on seeking you will find;
keep on knocking [reverently] and [the door] will be opened to you
I will be praying for my family and friends & many other things.
For the past 5 years, Teamliquid has been a part of my family.
I want to give back by praying for any prayer requests that some of you guys might have.
It can be anything that is on your heart that you are worried about, anything at all.
You can write it in the comments below or send me a PM.
I will read them in 12 hours, and start praying for them then.
Please show some respect
Please bear over with this blog if you don't like it
Please do not make this blog a discussion on religious matters
I will be praying for you Teamliquid
Thank you
 
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I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help.
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On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help.
might as well do something meaningless for someone that doesn't need it as for someone that does need it.
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On December 03 2011 09:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help. might as well do something meaningless for someone that doesn't need it as for someone that does need it.
True words.I just didn't mean to disrespect the OP(as I believe prayers have absolutely no effect).
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Well as you dont expect others to pray, thanks... i guess. Can't hurt so whatever.
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Pray for The Prescott family, who recently lost their daughter Sam to brain cancer two days ago. She was fifteen years old and lived in my neighborhood, I never really knew her but her family needs it. <3
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On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help.
As the priest in my church said last Sunday: A prayer in itself won't help. If you really want something to chance you need to involve yourself in it. And this is most effectively done for those who need it in your direct environment.
Even if you live in the richest neighborhood there are still hidden problems. Having a prayer dedicated to you isn't imo a prerogative for the millions you can't help, and won't hurt anybody (if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything). So if he feels himself at home here at TL I think it's great if he prays for somebody who needs it. But (imo) he also needs to try to make this a "better" place by showing involvement and a good posting history and if he puts his heart into it why not?
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Please pray for the 6 million children that die every year of starvation. Maybe you will prove a stronger wizard.
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please pray for tsl4 in january 2012.
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It's not the same thing unless Brother Mac does it.
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On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help.
Can't he pray for both? Or is there a 1 prayer a month limit or something?
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On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything
I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet.
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I like how the guy asks for a little respect and gets all this crap.
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Instead of praying for two days, go volunteer at a soup kitchen.
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On December 03 2011 10:05 Couvre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet.
You mean like how religion seems to make people happy too? I am not religious the least bit, but you seem extremely ignorant.
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Good luck, and I like your quote, my girlfriend is in a C.S. Lewis class at her university.
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On December 03 2011 10:11 Cham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 10:05 Couvre wrote:On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet. You mean like how religion seems to make people happy too? I am not religious the least bit, but you seem extremely ignorant.
Yes, ignoring problems instead of dealing with them does tend to make people happy. It is safe and easy. Sometimes the problems are overwhelming and you don't have the ability to help at all, and that is okay. But believing that if you close your eyes, all the problems will solve themselves is harmful.
What exactly am I ignorant of?
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How terrible that people just reject the prayer. Even if you don't believe it, don't just press your hate onto it. If you want to diss a religion, just do it in your head or something because in all honesty religion arguements are stupid due to no one believing in what the other believes XD
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It's a nice sentiment but I don't see wishing as "giving back" to the community. It's one thing to write a blog about how much you like TL/ what it means to you but to claim like your doing it a service somehow by praying is something I don't understand.
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If you really want to help people why dont you go out and do something?
You cant just post something highly controversial and expect everyone to respect it.
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On December 03 2011 10:37 L3gendary wrote:
It's a nice sentiment but I don't see wishing as "giving back" to the community. It's one thing to write a blog about how much you like TL/ what it means to you but to claim like your doing it a service somehow by praying is something I don't understand.
I agree. I guess it's nice that OP isn't forcing his views on anybody, but when people say that you should give back to the community, they probably mean that you should .. actually do something.
The notion that everything that happens God wants/allows to happen is a very dangerous one and indeed it paints God in a ... not very favourable light, to put it kindly.
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On December 03 2011 10:29 Couvre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 10:11 Cham wrote:On December 03 2011 10:05 Couvre wrote:On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet. You mean like how religion seems to make people happy too? I am not religious the least bit, but you seem extremely ignorant. Yes, ignoring problems instead of dealing with them does tend to make people happy. It is safe and easy. Sometimes the problems are overwhelming and you don't have the ability to help at all, and that is okay. But believing that if you close your eyes, all the problems will solve themselves is harmful. What exactly am I ignorant of?
Let me try a different angle.
You took the time to come into this blog and read it. The writer only had good intentions of doing something nice for a community he cares about. No matter how he wanted to go about this the fact is he just wanted to do something nice.
On December 03 2011 08:58 ThePhan2m wrote:
I will be praying for my family and friends & many other things.
For the past 5 years, Teamliquid has been a part of my family.
Please show some respect
Please bear over with this blog if you don't like it
Please do not make this blog a discussion on religious matters
This says it all. You come in here stating your beliefs and how you think his beliefs are bad, and it is not necessary. Now I'm not advocating everyone should be nice all the time but when someone makes a blog out of the kindness in their heart to just do something for a community they care about it is utterly rude to come into it and start spouting any opinions whatsoever. If you want to express your feelings on religion make your own topic. If you must have your +1 to your post count so bad, say thanks and move on.
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"Oh god someone is trying to be nice and help by doing something I believe is absolutely useless,time to attack his beliefs and let him know how ignorant he is being in my opinion"
gosh...
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On December 03 2011 10:57 swanized wrote:
"Oh god someone is trying to be nice and help by doing something I believe is absolutely useless,time to attack his beliefs and let him know how ignorant he is being in my opinion"
gosh...
I am glad at least 1 other person shares my concern.
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On December 03 2011 10:47 mewby wrote:
If you really want to help people why dont you go out and do something?
You cant just post something highly controversial and expect everyone to respect it.
So I should go into the gay sc2 players thread and shit on them beacuse thats a controversial topic and I don't have to respect it? I should go into the thread about people that like brood war and shit on them beacuse I shouldn't have to respect that.
Just trying to apply your logic.
All props man
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On December 03 2011 10:59 Cham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 10:57 swanized wrote:
"Oh god someone is trying to be nice and help by doing something I believe is absolutely useless,time to attack his beliefs and let him know how ignorant he is being in my opinion"
gosh... I am glad at least 1 other person shares my concern.
We are the silent majority sir.
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Ah, i think this is pretty cool. I'm glad you think enough of TL to spend some of your time praying. That said, I wish I had the fortitude you seem to show to be able to fast and give my entire body into prayer for 2 days. Perhaps someday.
If possible, I'd appreciate a prayer for all of my friends so that they can handle all the stress they're going through and perhaps look and be happy like they all used to be.
Thank you very much  .
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On December 03 2011 10:05 Couvre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet.
You are absolutely right if you say that a prayer alone won't fix a problem. However some people get strength out of them and that in combination with an appropriate action can help for some people.
That's also why I said a prayer on it's own can't do any harm. It's the lack of action to follow up with your prayer that does the harm. God won't fix your problem for you. He can help with giving you strength. A prayer on it's own always reminds me of this joke:
A man is sitting on the roof of his house after the whole area is flooded.
A man in a rowboat is coming past and shouts at him: Come down. I'll get you to safety.
No says the man on the roof. God will help me.
Next some guys on a raft come by: Come down. We'll get you to safety.
I appreciate the offer but God will help me.
Then an helicopter flies by: Climb on up. We'll get you to safety!
No thank you. God will save me.
Finally the man on the roof dies from exhaustion and arrives in the heaven.
He goes to God and asks him: I have always been a good Catholic. Why didn't you sent help?
God answers: I sent you a rowboat, a raft and an helicopter. What more do you want from me?
The moral of the story is: A prayer is a nice thing but without action from yourself it won't save you. You have to put in the effort to reach your goals. God can only assist.
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On December 03 2011 10:47 mewby wrote:
If you really want to help people why dont you go out and do something?
You cant just post something highly controversial and expect everyone to respect it.
He can expect you to respect it, he made a conservative post based on something that is important to him and people came in and disrespected him and pushed their view onto him. He did not push anything on to you, he did not insinuate anything about the views you hold or others like you. YOU came in here and decided what he is doing is not good enough or valuable in your opinion, and you let him know.
On a forum that is supposed to be very mature we have come to expect that people respect others' opinions, especially when presented with good intent and conservatively as happened here.
Use your brain...
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On December 03 2011 11:07 Golden Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 10:05 Couvre wrote:On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet. You are absolutely right if you say that a prayer alone won't fix a problem. However some people get strength out of them and that in combination with an appropriate action can help for some people. That's also why I said a prayer on it's own can't do any harm. It's the lack of action to follow up with your prayer that does the harm. God won't fix your problem for you. He can help with giving you strength. A prayer on it's own always reminds me of this joke: A man is sitting on the roof of his house after the whole area is flooded. A man in a rowboat is coming past and shouts at him: Come down. I'll get you to safety. No says the man on the roof. God will help me. Next some guys on a raft come by: Come down. We'll get you to safety. I appreciate the offer but God will help me. Then an helicopter flies by: Climb on up. We'll get you to safety! No thank you. God will save me. Finally the man on the roof dies from exhaustion and arrives in the heaven. He goes to God and asks him: I have always been a good Catholic. Why didn't you sent help? God answers: I sent you a rowboat, a raft and an helicopter. What more do you want from me? The moral of the story is: A prayer is a nice thing but without action from yourself it won't help you.
We are in agreement then.
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On December 03 2011 10:57 swanized wrote:
"Oh god someone is trying to be nice and help by doing something I believe is absolutely useless,time to attack his beliefs and let him know how ignorant he is being in my opinion"
gosh...
if I didn't read this 2nd page of comments before posting this is exactly what I would have said. =/
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On December 03 2011 10:08 xsksc wrote:
I like how the guy asks for a little respect and gets all this crap.
Well, this is the internet for you.
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So many trolls in this thread.
People… this is a blog post. If the person wants to say they are praying, and extending an invitation to pray for others, let them be. If you don't agree with the philosophy, that's fine. But, what thought processes led you to take the liberty to discredit his ideals and then insert your own with such authority? If he wanted your opinions on the matter he would have either invited them, or posted this in a different forum section. Just in case people didn't read the Original Post all the way through, it is clearly stated,
OP wrote:
Please show some respect
Please bear over with this blog if you don't like it
Please do not make this blog a discussion on religious matters
Anyway, more power to ThePhan2m, best of luck to ya.
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Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
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God definitely wants MY team to win more than the other team.
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On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us.
Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect.
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On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect.
How about the red cross and the salvation army? Not to mention the clear difference in the effectiveness between faith based organizations and non faith based organizations for things like helping kids in Africa.
I mean name an organization that actually gives a shit about poor people that isn't faith based?
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On December 03 2011 19:27 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect. How about the red cross and the salvation army? Not to mention the clear difference in the effectiveness between faith based organizations and non faith based organizations for things like helping kids in Africa. I mean name an organization that actually gives a shit about poor people that isn't faith based?
You mean like how faith based organizations actively work to discourage and deny condom use in Africa, when HIV has reduced life expectancy in some areas by half? Or how the Salvation Army attempts to repress the civil rights of homosexuals?
The Red Cross is not a faith-based organization. The cross has nothing to do with christianity. This is the major charity that Atheists donate and volunteer for too! It is an incredible organization and an answer to your absurd last sentence.
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I'm atheistic but I think it was kinda in poor taste that some of us came into this thread to debate the merits of religion etc. ><
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On December 03 2011 19:27 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect. How about the red cross and the salvation army? Not to mention the clear difference in the effectiveness between faith based organizations and non faith based organizations for things like helping kids in Africa. I mean name an organization that actually gives a shit about poor people that isn't faith based?
I really don't like getting into religious discussions, they're pointless and lead nowhere. Waste of time. But there are plenty of secular charity organisations that do plenty of good work without letting petty religious beliefs get in the way (such as condom use).
Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors without Borders but the french name is so much cooler)
Oxfam International
Amnesty International
Red Cross (Yes its secular)
Engineers Without Borders
These are the ones off the top of my head. There are more, look around. But these are probably the biggest ones.
On December 03 2011 19:27 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect. How about the red cross and the salvation army? Not to mention the clear difference in the effectiveness between faith based organizations and non faith based organizations for things like helping kids in Africa.
Also where's your evidence that faith based organisations are more effective (in what way?) than secular based organisations? That's an easy accusation to just throw out, but i'd actually like to see a proper study into the efficacy of each organisation.
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On December 03 2011 10:57 swanized wrote:
"Oh god someone is trying to be nice and help by doing something I believe is absolutely useless,time to attack his beliefs and let him know how ignorant he is being in my opinion"
gosh...
Seriously... why are people arguing about religion in this thread blog.
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I'm agnostic (not that it matters) but if you could, please pray for people that take time out of their day to troll and fight in your harmless blog, and countless others like it.
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Yeah...I'm with some of the others on the whole prayer really doesn't do anything. It's just thinking about something for someone. But it's a nice sentiment. Definitely doesn't do harm! =D
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On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help.
why are you posting on starcraft forum when people are starving to DEATH in africa right now?
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On December 04 2011 10:56 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help. why are you posting on starcraft forum when people are starving to DEATH in africa right now?
A reward for all the time and money he puts into charity and actually helping people. Also he asking why the op isn't asking for something more meaningful from an omnipotent being.
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On December 04 2011 11:41 Couvre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 10:56 -_- wrote:On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help. why are you posting on starcraft forum when people are starving to DEATH in africa right now? A reward for all the time and money he puts into charity and actually helping people. Also he asking why the op isn't asking for something more meaningful from an omnipotent being.
He's suggesting that the OP should spend his time praying for more important things. I'm asking him why he doesn't spend his time doing more important things. Pretty fair question IMO.
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On December 03 2011 11:07 Golden Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 10:05 Couvre wrote:On December 03 2011 09:30 Golden Ghost wrote:
if you don't believe in prayer why should you care if somebody prays for you, and if you do, knowing somebody prays for you can help you just the tiniest bit, even if the prayer in itself doesn't do anything I care because his statement, "I believe in God, that what I ask him, if it is according to His will, will happen," is justification for ignoring all problems. Maybe you haven't experienced the horrible consequence of such a belief yet. You are absolutely right if you say that a prayer alone won't fix a problem. However some people get strength out of them and that in combination with an appropriate action can help for some people. That's also why I said a prayer on it's own can't do any harm. It's the lack of action to follow up with your prayer that does the harm. God won't fix your problem for you. He can help with giving you strength. A prayer on it's own always reminds me of this joke: A man is sitting on the roof of his house after the whole area is flooded. A man in a rowboat is coming past and shouts at him: Come down. I'll get you to safety. No says the man on the roof. God will help me. Next some guys on a raft come by: Come down. We'll get you to safety. I appreciate the offer but God will help me. Then an helicopter flies by: Climb on up. We'll get you to safety! No thank you. God will save me. Finally the man on the roof dies from exhaustion and arrives in the heaven. He goes to God and asks him: I have always been a good Catholic. Why didn't you sent help? God answers: I sent you a rowboat, a raft and an helicopter. What more do you want from me? The moral of the story is: A prayer is a nice thing but without action from yourself it won't save you. You have to put in the effort to reach your goals. God can only assist.
Eh, I disagree with your statement and agree..sort of.. lol
Let me elaborate. I feel that what you said about having prayer help strengthen you is huge and people definitely shouldn't think of prayer as you praying and a bearded man in the sky snaps his fingers and grants his wishes. God isn't a genie in a lamp. But the part I disagree with is that you HAVE to pray for strength. Alot of things are out of our control however everything is in God's. I use the example in scripture where the Bible talks about how (I think it was)Paul was in jail and his family prayed and prayed for things to go well and eventually Paul was let out of the prison. When he came and visited his family they were surprised that he had gotten out. The moral to THIS story is that God can do things on his on but you have to have faith.
Also, I am a Christian so don't flame me for my beliefs. We're entitled to our own beliefs so don't worry with mine if you plan on starting controversy. I don't have time for that kind of shit.
and thanks for the prayers bro, much appreciated <3
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On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect.
If you honestly think this guy is praying for God's wrath on you or praying to Satan, you are very diluted.
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I'll think for you  .
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On December 04 2011 13:23 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect. If you honestly think this guy is praying for God's wrath on you or praying to Satan, you are very diluted.
* Deluded
I never said he was praying to satan or praying for god's wrath. Also if satan was able to corrupt people, why isn't god stopping him? But that is just digression and irrelevant.
Granted i misinterpreted your original statement, but I used the term 'negative outcome' which, depending on your perspective, even a seemingly harmless prayer may have negative consequences. Lets say one person from TL asked him to pray for his mother. His mother is dying and requires an heart donation to survive, someone is praying for her swift recovery and god decides to answer. Now there are two possibilities that could occur to help her recover, miraculous recovery or an actual organ donation. Miraculous recovery is very rare and highly unlikely to occur, all things considered. The more likely outcome is to receive a heart through the death of another. So does god let someone else die to save your mother? This is of course assuming she's even at the top of the waiting list (unless someone close dies whos family then gives you the heart) which means you could be waiting for a few years. Yes your mother is saved, but at what cost? Do the ends justify the means? Is there a 'net effect of good'?
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I'm agnostic but bashing religious people is no different than racism IMO. You're not supposed to discriminate based on rac sex or religion but it seems people do on religion which is sad. Anyways I support this OP believing is half the battle.
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On December 04 2011 16:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 13:23 Luepert wrote:On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect. If you honestly think this guy is praying for God's wrath on you or praying to Satan, you are very diluted. * Deluded I never said he was praying to satan or praying for god's wrath. Also if satan was able to corrupt people, why isn't god stopping him? But that is just digression and irrelevant. Granted i misinterpreted your original statement, but I used the term 'negative outcome' which, depending on your perspective, even a seemingly harmless prayer may have negative consequences. Lets say one person from TL asked him to pray for his mother. His mother is dying and requires an heart donation to survive, someone is praying for her swift recovery and god decides to answer. Now there are two possibilities that could occur to help her recover, miraculous recovery or an actual organ donation. Miraculous recovery is very rare and highly unlikely to occur, all things considered. The more likely outcome is to receive a heart through the death of another. So does god let someone else die to save your mother? This is of course assuming she's even at the top of the waiting list (unless someone close dies whos family then gives you the heart) which means you could be waiting for a few years. Yes your mother is saved, but at what cost? Do the ends justify the means? Is there a 'net effect of good'?
Hey man, what do you do in your free time, drive from church to church arguing with pastors on how they're wrong about their God?
There's a time and a place for discussing religion/theology. The OP isn't asking you to shake his faith with philosophical jibberjabber. As misguided as you think his good intentions are, YOUR good intentions on bringing up these arguments is even more misguided. If you want to argue these things, there are plenty of other places you can go. Show some courtesy for your fellow man, regardless of his religious beliefs.
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Hey man, cool thread!
Just got home from a great youth camp, so can you pray that all of us hold onto the encouraging talks instead of letting last weekend be just an emotional high, and always seek to serve God in more ways. Thanks!
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On December 04 2011 20:53 Newbistic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 16:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 04 2011 13:23 Luepert wrote:On December 03 2011 19:09 FractalsOnFire wrote:On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Guys who are complaining that he isn't praying for unfortunate people, hes praying for you.
Think about it this way: If God doesn't exist, nothing happens.
If God does exist(which you can't disprove), he might help you because a stranger prayed for your ungrateful ass.
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Thank you for praying for TL.
What happens if someone prays for a negative outcome? Who are we to claim how god thinks? He could create a tragic event 'for the greater good'. Who knows. To say that there is no possibility of a negative outcome is foolish. Plus people believe in the devil and that he too, is able to influence the world around us. Also i don't agree with the 'respecting' of his beliefs. Though i don't respect it, i certainly have to tolerate it. Religion hasn't done anything to earn my respect. If you honestly think this guy is praying for God's wrath on you or praying to Satan, you are very diluted. * Deluded I never said he was praying to satan or praying for god's wrath. Also if satan was able to corrupt people, why isn't god stopping him? But that is just digression and irrelevant. Granted i misinterpreted your original statement, but I used the term 'negative outcome' which, depending on your perspective, even a seemingly harmless prayer may have negative consequences. Lets say one person from TL asked him to pray for his mother. His mother is dying and requires an heart donation to survive, someone is praying for her swift recovery and god decides to answer. Now there are two possibilities that could occur to help her recover, miraculous recovery or an actual organ donation. Miraculous recovery is very rare and highly unlikely to occur, all things considered. The more likely outcome is to receive a heart through the death of another. So does god let someone else die to save your mother? This is of course assuming she's even at the top of the waiting list (unless someone close dies whos family then gives you the heart) which means you could be waiting for a few years. Yes your mother is saved, but at what cost? Do the ends justify the means? Is there a 'net effect of good'? Hey man, what do you do in your free time, drive from church to church arguing with pastors on how they're wrong about their God?
Ad hominem attack that's irrelevant but i'll bite anyway. It would be pointless and useless for me to go around and actually argue with them. Their cognitive biases would remove any chance i had of convincing them otherwise. Also I don't know if they're right or wrong about their god but i'm certainly pointing out potential pitfalls and contradictions.
On December 04 2011 20:53 Newbistic wrote:
There's a time and a place for discussing religion/theology. The OP isn't asking you to shake his faith with philosophical jibberjabber. As misguided as you think his good intentions are, YOUR good intentions on bringing up these arguments is even more misguided. If you want to argue these things, there are plenty of other places you can go. Show some courtesy for your fellow man, regardless of his religious beliefs.
By the way i was never actually attacking the OP. I couldn't care less whether he thinks his prayer is useful. I was arguing with Luepert on the fact that he claimed there is only a positive outcome from prayer and no negative outcome, right here:
On December 03 2011 16:03 Luepert wrote:
Mathematically there is a chance of positive Divine intervention in your life and no chance of negative.
Also why do you think i'm being malicious or rude? I'm merely pointing out a scenario/example to support my argument. My earlier statement regarding god and satan, as you put it 'philosophical jibberjabber', is me actually trying to get an explanation about a contradiction i see in his/her religion.
All i am doing here is saying that actions have consequences, and to claim that there is no possible negative outcome from prayer is wishful thinking at best. This is assuming of course prayer actually works.
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On December 04 2011 12:53 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 11:41 Couvre wrote:On December 04 2011 10:56 -_- wrote:On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help. why are you posting on starcraft forum when people are starving to DEATH in africa right now? A reward for all the time and money he puts into charity and actually helping people. Also he asking why the op isn't asking for something more meaningful from an omnipotent being. He's suggesting that the OP should spend his time praying for more important things. I'm asking him why he doesn't spend his time doing more important things. Pretty fair question IMO.
If he can spend a portion of his time convincing others that volunteer work is worth more than praying, he accomplishes more. Let's say he only convinces one person that this is true. We now have his total potential time of volunteering minus the 45 seconds it took him to make his post + the potential volunteer time of the person he convinces.
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Religion threads on TL always end up entertaining. ( or closed )
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I want to give back by praying for any prayer requests that some of you guys might have.
It can be anything that is on your heart that you are worried about, anything at all.
People regularly express their thoughts and concerns in their blogs, maybe that can give you some ideas.
"Dear Lord, please help "LaserZerg" hit platinum. He is going through tough times as he has quit school to become a pro. Also, make that cute Korean cashier notice him. Amen. "
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5/5 best blog I've read in a while.
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On December 05 2011 01:43 Couvre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 12:53 -_- wrote:On December 04 2011 11:41 Couvre wrote:On December 04 2011 10:56 -_- wrote:On December 03 2011 09:10 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
I'm sorry, but why don't you pray for/help the 1.7 billion people living in morbid poverty?I think they're in dire need of help. why are you posting on starcraft forum when people are starving to DEATH in africa right now? A reward for all the time and money he puts into charity and actually helping people. Also he asking why the op isn't asking for something more meaningful from an omnipotent being. He's suggesting that the OP should spend his time praying for more important things. I'm asking him why he doesn't spend his time doing more important things. Pretty fair question IMO. If he can spend a portion of his time convincing others that volunteer work is worth more than praying, he accomplishes more. Let's say he only convinces one person that this is true. We now have his total potential time of volunteering minus the 45 seconds it took him to make his post + the potential volunteer time of the person he convinces.
no, im not talking about this post. im talking about all his other posts. and his time playing starcraft and watching tv.
plus, as a separate matter, i doubt he's ever convinced someone that prayer isn't worthwhile. so that's a total, total waste.
poor kids in africa dying because he's not using his time well 
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thanks for praying for me!
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At Notre Dame, we pray before every game for victory, why are people bitching about the topic?
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Thank you for replying.
Thank you for the few of you who have sent me a reply ( 5 out of 1800 that have read this thread) This weekend has been a blast. God has spoken to me in various ways, and I've gotten to pray for a lot of people. I hope God blesses you for your concern for your neigbours. I will continue to pray for the requests
For those of you who do not think prayer is worth the time, I assume you do not believe in God.
But I assume that you have some other god in your life, if it is Starcraft, Soccer, or any other sport, TV, Series or anything that you spend your time with and cannot live without. Is spending time with this god so much better for the whole society? or for the human kind? Does it feed the poor? Does it encourage you to feed the poor or help the helpless?
Without this weekend, I would have been more lazy, less caring and not the man I would have been. This has truly motivated me (and filled me with the Spirit, as we Christians say it) and has given me time to spend on others rather than spending it on myself.
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Man everyone is dodging me, that sucks. I was hoping to get into a reasonable debate but alas that cannot be.
On December 05 2011 17:18 ThePhan2m wrote:
For those of you who do not think prayer is worth the time, I assume you do not believe in God.
But I assume that you have some other god in your life, if it is Starcraft, Soccer, or any other sport, TV, Series or anything that you spend your time with and cannot live without. Is spending time with this god so much better for the whole society? or for the human kind? Does it feed the poor? Does it encourage you to feed the poor or help the helpless?
Without this weekend, I would have been more lazy, less caring and not the man I would have been. This has truly motivated me (and filled me with the Spirit, as we Christians say it) and has given me time to spend on others rather than spending it on myself.
The audacity to call one's interests 'a god' i find quite amusing. I don't worship my interests, sure i spend time enjoying it but it does not govern my life with its own separate rules and laws unlike religion. My relationship with my interests are purely conditional, the moment it bores me or i find something better to do, i will gladly move on with my life and enjoy the new interest i have found. This is nowhere near like having a personal god. Oh and i could certainly live without many of the current interests i have. Would i want to? Probably not, but since i have that luxury i might as well enjoy it.
Also i am not the best example of a charitable paragon, in fact i'm probably the complete opposite. In fact i doubt it would change even if i worshipped a god (admittedly i once thought about converting to christianity, but ironically a preacher showed me that it definitely wasn't for me). I know plenty of people, atheistic, that do quite a bit of charity work and give donations. I also know of religious people that don't do any charity work and, at times, are blatant hypocrites; which i find more repulsive than some fundamentalists at times. Yes, i've seen both sides of the coin on both sides of the religious spectrum. Also by your explanation, it sounds to me like any interest that doesn't produce charitable effects are useless. Well i guess that means religious people that don't do any charitable work better discard their religion cause clearly its quite redundant. I guess noone can have the interests they enjoy if its not motivating them to do charitable work.
And on a humourous note, it was actually reddit's atheism donation page that actually inspired me to donate to MSF. Which admittedly is the first time i have ever actually done so for a charity. It doesn't take a god or religion to do good things, it just takes a good person.
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Be for meg da, løs alle mine problemer!
Pray for me, solve all my problems!
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On December 05 2011 19:48 FractalsOnFire wrote:Man everyone is dodging me, that sucks. I was hoping to get into a reasonable debate but alas that cannot be. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 17:18 ThePhan2m wrote:
For those of you who do not think prayer is worth the time, I assume you do not believe in God.
But I assume that you have some other god in your life, if it is Starcraft, Soccer, or any other sport, TV, Series or anything that you spend your time with and cannot live without. Is spending time with this god so much better for the whole society? or for the human kind? Does it feed the poor? Does it encourage you to feed the poor or help the helpless?
Without this weekend, I would have been more lazy, less caring and not the man I would have been. This has truly motivated me (and filled me with the Spirit, as we Christians say it) and has given me time to spend on others rather than spending it on myself. The audacity to call one's interests 'a god' i find quite amusing. I don't worship my interests, sure i spend time enjoying it but it does not govern my life with its own separate rules and laws unlike religion. My relationship with my interests are purely conditional, the moment it bores me or i find something better to do, i will gladly move on with my life and enjoy the new interest i have found. This is nowhere near like having a personal god. Oh and i could certainly live without many of the current interests i have. Would i want to? Probably not, but since i have that luxury i might as well enjoy it. Also i am not the best example of a charitable paragon, in fact i'm probably the complete opposite. In fact i doubt it would change even if i worshipped a god (admittedly i once thought about converting to christianity, but ironically a preacher showed me that it definitely wasn't for me). I know plenty of people, atheistic, that do quite a bit of charity work and give donations. I also know of religious people that don't do any charity work and, at times, are blatant hypocrites; which i find more repulsive than some fundamentalists at times. Yes, i've seen both sides of the coin on both sides of the religious spectrum. Also by your explanation, it sounds to me like any interest that doesn't produce charitable effects are useless. Well i guess that means religious people that don't do any charitable work better discard their religion cause clearly its quite redundant. I guess noone can have the interests they enjoy if its not motivating them to do charitable work. And on a humourous note, it was actually reddit's atheism donation page that actually inspired me to donate to MSF. Which admittedly is the first time i have ever actually done so for a charity. It doesn't take a god or religion to do good things, it just takes a good person.
Dude just stop. STOP. Your comments embody the worst, most immature aspects of atheists as a group of people.
He's not asking you to fucking discuss your atheism with him. He's just sharing that he's happy to believe in his faith. Why do you feel your atheism is a license to question his fucking faith? You don't even have any real points to discuss. Some atheists work for charity and some atheists are lazy. Some people of faith work for charity and some are lazy. If a person's faith is what empowers them to work for charity, how the fuck is that a bad thing?
Granted, his reply isn't the most logical in comparing hobbies to a God, but he's just trying to defend his faith against your random attacks. People think Christians are annoying when they're going door to door trying to convert everybody. Atheists are just as annoying when they run around trying to challenge people's faiths for no reason.
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On December 05 2011 21:24 Newbistic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 19:48 FractalsOnFire wrote:Man everyone is dodging me, that sucks. I was hoping to get into a reasonable debate but alas that cannot be. On December 05 2011 17:18 ThePhan2m wrote:
For those of you who do not think prayer is worth the time, I assume you do not believe in God.
But I assume that you have some other god in your life, if it is Starcraft, Soccer, or any other sport, TV, Series or anything that you spend your time with and cannot live without. Is spending time with this god so much better for the whole society? or for the human kind? Does it feed the poor? Does it encourage you to feed the poor or help the helpless?
Without this weekend, I would have been more lazy, less caring and not the man I would have been. This has truly motivated me (and filled me with the Spirit, as we Christians say it) and has given me time to spend on others rather than spending it on myself. The audacity to call one's interests 'a god' i find quite amusing. I don't worship my interests, sure i spend time enjoying it but it does not govern my life with its own separate rules and laws unlike religion. My relationship with my interests are purely conditional, the moment it bores me or i find something better to do, i will gladly move on with my life and enjoy the new interest i have found. This is nowhere near like having a personal god. Oh and i could certainly live without many of the current interests i have. Would i want to? Probably not, but since i have that luxury i might as well enjoy it. Also i am not the best example of a charitable paragon, in fact i'm probably the complete opposite. In fact i doubt it would change even if i worshipped a god (admittedly i once thought about converting to christianity, but ironically a preacher showed me that it definitely wasn't for me). I know plenty of people, atheistic, that do quite a bit of charity work and give donations. I also know of religious people that don't do any charity work and, at times, are blatant hypocrites; which i find more repulsive than some fundamentalists at times. Yes, i've seen both sides of the coin on both sides of the religious spectrum. Also by your explanation, it sounds to me like any interest that doesn't produce charitable effects are useless. Well i guess that means religious people that don't do any charitable work better discard their religion cause clearly its quite redundant. I guess noone can have the interests they enjoy if its not motivating them to do charitable work. And on a humourous note, it was actually reddit's atheism donation page that actually inspired me to donate to MSF. Which admittedly is the first time i have ever actually done so for a charity. It doesn't take a god or religion to do good things, it just takes a good person. Dude just stop. STOP. Your comments embody the worst, most immature aspects of atheists as a group of people. He's not asking you to fucking discuss your atheism with him. He's just sharing that he's happy to believe in his faith. Why do you feel your atheism is a license to question his fucking faith? You don't even have any real points to discuss. Some atheists work for charity and some atheists are lazy. Some people of faith work for charity and some are lazy. If a person's faith is what empowers them to work for charity, how the fuck is that a bad thing? Granted, his reply isn't the most logical in comparing hobbies to a God, but he's just trying to defend his faith against your random attacks. People think Christians are annoying when they're going door to door trying to convert everybody. Atheists are just as annoying when they run around trying to challenge people's faiths for no reason.
Well now. Where to start. Firstly, i have been quite civil and merely bringing up REASONABLE and decently thought out points. If you think that is me embodying the worst of atheists, you haven't seen me at my worst. I know TL, i know the rules and i have certainly tried to keep it civil as much as i can. If you want an example of unreasonable here's one for you. Open at your own risk + Show Spoiler +LOLOLOL RELIGION IS FUCKING STUPID. HOW CAN YOU STUPID FUCKS BELIEVE IN THIS SHIT?!?!? LOLOLOL YOU ARE SOOOOO DUMB. *This is in no way a representation of how i actually think. Do not take this as who i am. This is merely an example of immature and what i think the worst aspects of atheism are
Notice that i actually haven't been warned by a TL mod. I'd imagine this thread would be watched like a hawk. To claim that this is the worst? I find that laughable. I actually expect to get a warning now that i've mentioned it =(
Now i don't actually know where to start with the last two paragraphs. Let's see... Ok let us start with his original paragraph and break it down. From how i read it, its implying that meaningless interests that provide no charitable effect/work is pointless and that his religion and devotion to god is the only impetus to do that kind of work. I find that extremely arrogant and presumptuous.That was what i was rebutting against, sure i do it in a roundabout way but i eventually get to it. Maybe i'll need to fix that in the future so i do the roundabouting after i explain my original point. Also i never said using faith to do good things was a bad thing.
I agree that his statement was poorly written, he really could've done it in a much better manner that didn't portray him as arrogant and 'holier than thou'. My 'attacks' aren't random. I never EVER questioned the power of prayer or MENTIONED prayer is useless. I didn't even direct any 'attacks' to the OP until my last post. All i am doing is providing a little thought and perspective on certain claims and statements. A glimpse onto the other side of the coin so to speak. This is to help encourage and stimulate a reasonable discussion as my first 'attacking' post did.
I was honestly tempted to just revert into a rabid militant atheist, but TL prevents me from doing so. Your post has so many misdirected jabs at me that misrepresent what i have said and anyone who just glances over my own posts and just reads yours would think i'm just one big troll. Which is not the case.
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On December 03 2011 09:52 Hnnngg wrote:
in Grack we trust, amen.
Good fortune Americans, amen.
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On December 05 2011 04:13 Primadog wrote:
At Notre Dame, we pray before every game for victory, why are people bitching about the topic?
I bet you beat those heathens every time too! Praise God.
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On December 04 2011 19:01 tdt wrote:
I'm agnostic but bashing religious people is no different than racism IMO. You're not supposed to discriminate based on rac sex or religion but it seems people do on religion which is sad. Anyways I support this OP believing is half the battle.
Not saying it's ok to bash religion or anything, but comparing it with racism is really stupid. You can't choose your race, and you can't choose your sex, you're born the way you are and there's nothing you can do to change it.
You can however choose what you want to believe in, so I'd say bashing religious people is more like bashing smokers.
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Mister OP:
Thank you for your sentiments.
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