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On November 02 2011 23:50 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:25 psychopat wrote:
I have a bronzie friend that's horrible and every week or so, she needs someone to go play some games on her account to get the MMR back up to a point where she's not constantly facing worker rushers... so she can actually have some fun. This seems super counter-intuitive. Why not teach her how to play? And does she want to have fun or to win? :/
You do teach, but progress is a gradual thing. It's the same as if I had a GM giving me lessons; I wouldn't immediately go up a league because I've got some bad habits to overcome and I need to train myself to do some things better (like glancing at the minimap more often or tapping through my stuff to see what's almost done being built). She can fight it off sometimes now but still loses to it more often than not. That in itself is a huge improvement considering her APM is probably somewhere in the 15-30 range.
Having fun is obviously the important thing. Heck, it's pretty much the only thing unless you're trying to make a living off of the game. Losing to a worker rush is probably the least fun thing in the game. Winning against it isn't much better; it just feels like a giant waste of time. Kind of the same as losing to or fighting off a cannon rush or something equally stupid, but the feeling is even more pronounced because you didn't even get to play as much.
She's still at the stage where she's content building up her 1 base campaign-style and then moving out eventually. She likes to try out units and figure out what's good against what and so forth. I've seen her have slugfests with other (real) bronzies that were "epic" games in their own right with swings of momentum and such. Those are the ones where she's raving about how awesome the game was and queuing up to play again. Constantly getting worker rushed takes the opportunity for fun games away. When that happens, all you get is ranting about why some people get off on ruining others' fun, how they don't even want to play the game and how SC2 sucks.
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Quality blog as always Gheed! :D
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I didn't expect a blog like this to have a point. Well played, sir.
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tl scared me for a while.
glad dropping yourself to bronze, worker rushing and writing a self-righteous blog about it doesn't merit a spotlight after all.
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On November 03 2011 00:42 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:37 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 03 2011 00:23 Cascade wrote:And it's gone from the spotlight!  Impressive TL moderating as usual, one of the greatest signs of that being the ability to recognize a mistake. And to the OP: Worker rush in bronze if you have to, it's ok. But please realise that you are doing this at the very entrance to the sc2 community. Try to be a bit nice and welcoming. You can act as a guide for the n00bz entering the wonderful world of sc2. If you find that you need a cause to kill the boredom of grinding worker rushes, then take on the cause to guide all the beginners to GSL, to day[9] to teamliquid. In this way, you can be proud of your portrait in a completely different way. It can be a sign of "I was the catalyst for hundreds of people entering the sc2 community. I gave GSL 50 new subscribers." Good luck, have fun. Gloating makes you a beautiful person. Sorry, I'll try to be more like the OP.
To be honest he is not gloating, he is writing a story about his experiences, journalists do stuff and write their experience afterwards in articles. To be honest, if you are angry about the blogs, you missed the point entirely, in my opinion.
His use of the word faggot actually makes sense within the confines of the text.
As for his supposed intentional bronze level, that is what the worker rushing strategy entails. Losing a lot of games with it. This is not intentional, this is how the ladder works. You don't even know how many games he has lost to get those 300 some games.
I think this is sad that this got de spotlighted, since the whole story has a reflection behind it, this is not mindless "ladder trolling", and it's quite clear and well written.
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dude I love your blogs so much. Crack me up every time ^^
People who are trashing this (and there are a lot of you) clearly don't understand what is actually happening and should read ALL the blog posts from the start.
As many of you have stated "I can't believe TL allows you to post".
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The anti-gay slurs are really getting out of hand on SC2... sad thing to see. I really feel bad for all the homosexuals playing online because seeing that kind of abuse everyday would probably make even the hardiest gay person cringe.
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Unspotlitten 
I enjoyed this alot.
On November 03 2011 00:50 nunez wrote:
tl scared me for a while.
glad dropping yourself to bronze, worker rushing and writing a self-righteous blog about it doesn't merit a spotlight after all.
I don't think it was self righteous. I thought it was true gonzo journalism, not alot of us on TL know much about bronze league. Gheed is here to illuminate the depths of the lowest league.
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Did any of you who are BMing the OP bother to read his previous 3 posts or even the entirety of this one? All of the people who say he's blocking or discouraging newcomers to SC2 is actually more insulting because you're pretty much implying those people don't have half the brain needed to overcome basic problems such as this, and need to be babied until they do.
The whole series is amazing. Please keep writing these!
I especially loved the first part.
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I'm really sad that this got un-spotlighted. That was the only reason I even found out about this series. I think a lot of people missed the point of this blog. Even as a single entry it is already an interesting tale of reformation. It is far from derogatory or offensive or anything else people have mentioned. He made mistakes, he's amending it. This is all in this one entry. If the entire series is read it gives even better context.
Although, I think the second entry would probably be a better target for spotlighting. Or maybe the last entry if there is indeed redemption, as the story seems to foreshadow.
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StarCraft 2 players ARE the nicest community on the Internet, but that is like being valedictorian of summer school.
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This is a great blog, but I have to ask you Gheed...
Aren't you at all worried that when this project is all said and done that you, like an inmate attempting to assimilate back into society, will be left bewildered by this experience and unable to return to a "normal" state of play? I mean, I presume you may know what happens to Morgan Freeman's character in The Shawshank Redemption... just be careful when you go back playing normally is all.
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Aww, it's a shame this got defeatured, I really like this blog.
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Special thanks to whoever removed this from being featured.
Edit: Not sarcasm
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Ok, I've read all three parts now. The two first ones are, like this last one, very well written and funny. I admit I lolled.
And I don't care much for which exact words he use when he BMs.
It however doesn't change the fact the he, and all the other farmers for this portrait, set out to play around 2000 games (1000 wins times 50% winrate) vs beginners giving them games they will absolutely not enjoy. For most starters I guess the first 10 games or so will decide if they like the game or not. (a number I just invented, but it sounds reasonable, right?) 2000 games corresponds to all the games for 200 fresh sc2 players... This guy even decided to BM them in the meanwhile... That really doesn't help to welcome new players and grow the community. I think a lot more people would be playing and watching sc2 if everyone would be nice, or at least not BM, in ladder games. This guy is standing at the entrance to the community and tripping people over as the try to enter, and insult them when they are down.
If you don't care about the sc2 community as a whole, then I understand you standpoint completely, and I agree that it was enjoyable to read. But maybe you can understand my point as well, that from a community perspective, this probably shouldn't be encouraged, no matter how funny or well written.
However, if you say that this is no big deal, and that the newbs just have to learn to defend the worker rushes and get used to the BM, then I feel that you probably dont understand the mindset of many first-time sc2 players. That would be true if the only purpose of new players would be to grow the new code-S winner. Then he would indeed need to learn to defend a worker rush, and get used to the BM. However, if we want to grow also the crowd WATCHING the code-S player, and effectively paying his salary, then we should be more careful when playing around in bronze i think.
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Even ignoring the BM, your screenshots are really awesome. Especially the one about ass bagels. But the dialogue! It's so amazing. This is wonderful!
Honestly, this was really funny. I enjoyed it.
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One of the best blogs i've seen. lmao
Americans seem to enjoy using the word "faggot".
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On November 03 2011 01:28 Cascade wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, I've read all three parts now. The two first ones are, like this last one, very well written and funny. I admit I lolled. And I don't care much for which exact words he use when he BMs. It however doesn't change the fact the he, and all the other farmers for this portrait, set out to play around 2000 games (1000 wins times 50% winrate) vs beginners giving them games they will absolutely not enjoy. For most starters I guess the first 10 games or so will decide if they like the game or not. (a number I just invented, but it sounds reasonable, right?) 2000 games corresponds to all the games for 200 fresh sc2 players... This guy even decided to BM them in the meanwhile... That really doesn't help to welcome new players and grow the community. I think a lot more people would be playing and watching sc2 if everyone would be nice, or at least not BM, in ladder games. This guy is standing at the entrance to the community and tripping people over as the try to enter, and insult them when they are down. If you don't care about the sc2 community as a whole, then I understand you standpoint completely, and I agree that it was enjoyable to read. But maybe you can understand my point as well, that from a community perspective, this probably shouldn't be encouraged, no matter how funny or well written. However, if you say that this is no big deal, and that the newbs just have to learn to defend the worker rushes and get used to the BM, then I feel that you probably dont understand the mindset of many first-time sc2 players. That would be true if the only purpose of new players would be to grow the new code-S winner. Then he would indeed need to learn to defend a worker rush, and get used to the BM. However, if we want to grow also the crowd WATCHING the code-S player, and effectively paying his salary, then we should be more careful when playing around in bronze i think.
SC2 is brutal, theres no easy way to learn. You just have to keep losing until you work out how to adapt. Worker rushing just forces Bronze players to learn.
I don't see how someone worker rushing will suddenly make all new players leave the game. I think it will motivate them to find out how to beat this strategy, then they are well on their way to becoming a SC2 player.
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Wait.
How the hell can you win by worker rushing.. Wouldn't the other guy have more workers?
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On November 03 2011 02:32 JieXian wrote:
Wait.
How the hell can you win by worker rushing.. Wouldn't the other guy have more workers?
That is the irony that transpires from this blog the most, in my opinion.
And if it wasn't succesful that first time, maybe he wouldn't even have tried again. But it worked once, twice then the flame was lit.
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