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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:11:27
October 31 2011 15:10 GMT
#1
Please, stop arguing.

The senseless, endless arguing that goes on in both BW and SC2 forums is just plain ridiculous. Aren't you people sick of it already? Many are bashing on each other without having given either games much of a chance. If you've never watched or played it much, try it. BW fans, try watching some SC2 games that are recommended. Despite its interface and some visually and audibly less-pleasing experience in my opinion, there have been several games that I felt were rather remarkable and entertaining. Don't hate it without even trying to understand the game.

Likewise, for SC2 fans, please do not step all over the BW fans. Every few days, there are reports and news that aren't very good for the BW scene, like BW pros playing SC2 and possible switches, etc. We are afraid. We don't want to see our BW scene get slowly forced out of our grasp. And there you go, rubbing salt on the wound, making rude and thoughtless comments like "I hope BW scene dies for the sake of ESPORTS!" No, that's not something a true ESPORTS fan would say. That's something an immature, selfish person would say. Please, think twice before posting. That act alone can save a lot of trouble for banlings and mods, as well as ease the tension between the two communities.

If you still dislike the game, then keep it to yourself. But if you want to comment on why you dislike the game, do so with respect. Don't go screaming "lol MBS is just shit" or "bw has shitty graphics, it should just die". Be rational, thoughtful and most importantly, respectful. Give proper reasons, not "it's bad because it's bad and it's bad because fifty thousand other people say so". It's really saddening to see that it has gotten to the point where people are telling each other how to post and how to be respectful towards each other. TeamLiquid was never such a community. Discussions were actually thoughtful and progressed somewhere. Now it's no different from any other website. I had and still do have high regards for TeamLiquid, and its position as the #1 ESPORTS website that the world has to offer. But this cannot be done by just moderators' and banlings' efforts alone. Before SC2, most moderation was self-done. People knew what to say and not to say, people knew where the boundaries were. But now, it has to be pointed out in every sensitive threads. With the influx of SC2 fans, it was inevitable, but surely, we all have some general consensus with regards to morals and e-social etiquette?

I still believe TL.net can continue to be the website that all ESPORTS fans will recognise and hold with high regards. But it requires the effort and mutual respect by both communities, and I believe this is possible. Look at some of the BW threads lately. They're about SC2 fans wanting to know more about what makes BW so great and the best RTS game ever (this is subject to my own opinion, please don't discuss this here). And just look at the responses. Every single one has been informative and welcoming, posts made by helpful and passionate fans, old and new alike. SC2 fans, BW fans don't hate you. In fact, we welcome you so that we can share our passion with you. We really don't mean any harm, irregardless of how we may think about BW and/or SC2. But think about it, if we started insulting SC2, the scene and its community, won't you get mad and offended? Put yourself in our shoes.

The SC2 community is great as well. I made a few questions in LR threads and streams because I don't keep that up to date with the latest patches, changes, metagame evolution and such (yes, I used the M word!!!!!), but people have helped me with equal passion and enthusiasm as BW fans. I thank you all for that, on behalf of other SC2 "noob" fans.

See, we're not that much different, actually. I may like macaroni, you may like spaghetti, but in the end, it's all pasta. Why can't we just appreciate the fact that we're pasta fans, not elitist, individualistic, self-centered and rude people who hates everything that doesn't revolve around their own taste and preference? Both communities are really just great, so why not appreciate each other and share our passion?

I still believe that one day, we'll all be able to call ourselves not a "SC2 fan" or a "BW fan", but an "ESPORTS fan".

TeamLiquid, I believe.


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BadWithNames
Profile Joined April 2010
United States441 Posts
October 31 2011 15:12 GMT
#2
Dude....I f-ing love pasta.
One year in Seoul...yesh please
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
October 31 2011 15:14 GMT
#3
On November 01 2011 00:12 BadWithNames wrote:
Dude....I f-ing love pasta.

fk you. Noodles (Pasta 2.0) are way better than Pasta. You can do so much more with them and they require a lot more skill to make and it's just way better to eat.
Wahaha
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 31 2011 15:14 GMT
#4
THANK YOU very MUCH, there's so many stupid threads that just bait people into pointless arguing with each other over stupid nonsense. It really is just arguing to no end; what are we going to gain from two fans of two games arguing about the merits of their games?

Is one of the going to go away from the argument with a changed opinion or mindset? No. Why can't people just be friends and not be assholes just because it's the internet
memes are a dish best served dank
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:17:35
October 31 2011 15:14 GMT
#5
I would love for the fighting to stop but everyday it seems to get worse....sigh..

Look at some of the BW threads lately. They're about SC2 fans wanting to know more about what makes BW so great and the best RTS game ever (this is subject to my own opinion, please don't discuss this here). And just look at the responses. Every single one has been informative and welcoming, posts made by helpful and passionate fans, old and new alike.


shout out to imjorman and Grapefruit for this.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
October 31 2011 15:14 GMT
#6
5/5
Good blog, although I don't think there is any harm in an honest discussion of the merits of BW vs SC2, its depressing to see how often it devolves into a flame war, rather than discussion
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
October 31 2011 15:16 GMT
#7
Does this extend to lol or cod? Or is esports only starcraft?
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66202 Posts
October 31 2011 15:17 GMT
#8
On November 01 2011 00:16 hacklebeast wrote:
Does this extend to lol or cod? Or is esports only starcraft?

ALL games

after all, we're all just nerds and fanboys on the inside!
POGGERS
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:26:12
October 31 2011 15:26 GMT
#9
Dude fuck you. Spaghettis are in all points superior to Macaronis, just because macaronis are new and have cool cylindric design doesnt mean it's better.

Macaronis are just some kind of newbie friendly pasta designed for people who lack the mechanical skill to eat spaghetti, but their design is flawed and Macaronis wont surpass Spaghettis ever because of it.
Romanes eunt domus
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
October 31 2011 15:26 GMT
#10
I love both games and want to see them both continue! Great read Kona, everyone needs to just take a deep breath and as Tyler would say "Chill"
RIP MBC Game Hero
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
October 31 2011 15:27 GMT
#11
On November 01 2011 00:17 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:16 hacklebeast wrote:
Does this extend to lol or cod? Or is esports only starcraft?

ALL games

after all, we're all just nerds and fanboys on the inside!


well to me korean bw pro gaming holds the kind of place greek mythology does
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 31 2011 15:28 GMT
#12
I love both games too. <3
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:34:19
October 31 2011 15:31 GMT
#13
I agree with a lot of things you said, but one of my core belief is that all opinions are not equals. 5/5 though, <3 Konadora.
Edit : and i don't believe in "esports" too :/
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
October 31 2011 15:33 GMT
#14
Pinkie Pie is best pony.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
October 31 2011 15:36 GMT
#15
I was going to create a similar thread but title it "Civil War!". Your approach is definitely more tactful.

Noodles are good, pasta is good.
Logic is Overrated
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
October 31 2011 15:40 GMT
#16
This is like forcing water to mix with oil.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
ShadowWolf
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
October 31 2011 15:44 GMT
#17
I agree with the point you're making (I made it in the Website Feedback section a few weeks ago as well), but it's kind of disingenuous to post a blog guaranteed to bring out the SC2 vs. BW arguments and then come back and post something saying people shouldn't hate 2 days later.

I like pasta. Fried Spaghetti is like the best bad thing for you ever.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:46:46
October 31 2011 15:46 GMT
#18
To be fair

Spaghetti/noodles>>Macaroni

its not even close.
WriterXiao8~~
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
October 31 2011 15:47 GMT
#19
Honestly, mechanical skill requirement difference does not really matter, spaghetti just taste better than macaroni!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 31 2011 15:48 GMT
#20
Amen.

Couldn't agree more.
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