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CutieBK
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:36:31
October 31 2011 15:49 GMT
#21
I completely agree with you here, the fighting is just so annyoing. The pasta vs macaroni joke above just sums up everything about the true nature of the squable.

HoN and LoL are so similar to SC2 and BW. The incessent bitching and moaning and refusal to just accept that the two games are seperate and both have nearly infinite skill-ceilings.

Thanks for taking the time to write this

edit: failing at spelling
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
October 31 2011 15:49 GMT
#22
--- Nuked ---
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 31 2011 15:55 GMT
#23
Noodles are the best pasta, no doubt.

Ahem, back to topic :D
I don't want BW to die and/or SC2 to die, but it seems like BW is only going to last a year T.T, I really want to be able to enjoy watching Korean BW whenever i'm sick and tired of SC2, and also enjoy constant ramblings of korean commentators ( i dont even know what the heck they say half the time), but BW has a certain kind of magic that SC2 seems to be missing.

Plz dont die BW T.T i know you're in the worst state since the ESTRO and Lecaf disbandings but....... T.T I want BW to live as long as it can, and once it comes time that it finally dies, i will weep ESPORTS tears and then continue playing SC2.
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
October 31 2011 15:57 GMT
#24
On November 01 2011 00:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
I agree with a lot of things you said, but one of my core belief is that all opinions are not equals. 5/5 though, <3 Konadora.

I agree with this, that although opinions are subjective, their validity is not.

But yes, all this pointless fighting really is getting out of control.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
October 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#25
Man watching that 2002 video bring me back memories.

I was only 10 years old. Other people were probably middle school~college kids when I was watching the game at the city hall on the giant screen, including few adults. Usually, people really don't talk to strangers in Korea unless they find that they have something in common; because there are lots of weird people out there.

But the night of Korea vs Italy. (Controversy aside) After Korea won, everyone flooded out to the streets. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was chanting 'DAE HAN MIN GOOK'. The bus driver, who was on his duty, didn't get to see the game but was listening to the radio the hole time. Whenever he saw soccer fans, he would honk to the beat of 'Dae han min gook'. Oh, also this wasn't at Seoul; it was at nearby city called Ilsan (famous now for having MBC DreamCenter, but they didn't have MBC back in 2002).


Can TL really show unification, just like the Red Devils? Only time will tell.
ppp
wbirdy
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Singapore335 Posts
October 31 2011 16:10 GMT
#26
well said bro. but spaghetti > macaroni, hands down.
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Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
October 31 2011 16:10 GMT
#27
Can't we all just (man)hug it out?
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:13:30
October 31 2011 16:10 GMT
#28
Thank you konadora
Learn,live and love it.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 31 2011 16:12 GMT
#29
I think the more involved I am with TL, the more I see the dark side of it and the parts that I hate and that make me feel sick. The further away from it, the more I'm able to see the good things and the utility of it and the things that make me want to contribute. It's weird. It's not even as if it's a new feeling, it's always been that way.

I hope when proleague and everything starts up, I'll be able to see the good in TL again.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
October 31 2011 16:14 GMT
#30
On November 01 2011 00:27 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:17 konadora wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:16 hacklebeast wrote:
Does this extend to lol or cod? Or is esports only starcraft?

ALL games

after all, we're all just nerds and fanboys on the inside!


well to me korean bw pro gaming holds the kind of place greek mythology does


Well then the SC2 Gods are the Romans. There are some direct knock-offs (Boxer, NaDa, July, etc) and then there are the fresh faces. Some are borrowed from completely other cultures (ThorZain, Naniwa) and some just kinda channel the old Greek spirit (MC, NesTea). Perhaps not entirely original, but there's room for both
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
October 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#31
On November 01 2011 00:33 bonifaceviii wrote:
Pinkie Pie is best pony.


Fluttershy is indefinitely superior to Pinkie Pie.

@ op

I understand that you're writing this blog mostly out of frustration over an attitude in the TL community. Trust me though, it's not going to change anything. I can't imagine anyone reading this and going "Holy crap you're right! I hope BroodWar lives!". That being said, Fluttershy > Pinkie Pie.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
October 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#32
I agree that BW/SC2 fans need to stop arguing. Honestly, it's childish and most times over a lack of knowledge about the other game. I can't say that I'm very involved in SC2 (as a BW fan), but I do get some enjoyment out of it. I feel that both sides should just try the other game and then try to argue. =_=
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
October 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#33
just want to link to the thread referred to (sc2 fan asking bw community) as it's a really good thread

I think most people already try to follow this sentiment from OP. TL has too large of a community to avoid some problems, but it can be improved and I think there are some signs of improvement. Though I have one pet peeve that I hope can be ended as well; don't want to disrupt the thread with it too much:
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(to sc2)--please never use some equivalent variation of the phrase "I hope X finally switches! " I know a lot of the time it's just excitement, and usually isn't trying to be malicious towards sc:bw, but it is directly saying how someone is waiting for bw to die in some form. BW pros aren't just sitting around; it is still their passion, still their dream, to play the game and win championships. They'll switch if they feel the time is right; don't act as if they "finally" did something.

Outright trolls will outright troll "bw is dead", etc, but even people who are new to esports and are just starting out with sc2 should respect that the sc:bw scene is still as passionate and alive as ever (these types of statements have occured for the past year, before the current problems that sc:bw is exhibiting showed up).

it's just a nitpicky thing, but I absolutely hate it.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:21:37
October 31 2011 16:18 GMT
#34
Well said Kona,

Props to Imjorman who actually is trying to understand the both games.(willingly) Everyone else should consider the same or then at least act respectfully towards other games and their fans. Doesn't matter if you are a SC2 fan or Broodwar fan.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 31 2011 16:21 GMT
#35
On November 01 2011 00:33 bonifaceviii wrote:
Pinkie Pie is best pony.


yes and rarity and the other ponies too
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
October 31 2011 16:21 GMT
#36
I may be a minority opinion here, but I do enjoy some of the SC2 vs BW threads. Maybe it's because I'm a bit combative in personality. Having watch both games alot (I started BW since the Boxer-days), I personally feel that SC2 is a superior game. However, I do argue it in a respectful manner and will not hesitate calling out BW-elitism.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 31 2011 16:25 GMT
#37
I think the only thing that stings the threads is when people get taken out of context. Half of my posts in SC2 vs BW threads is pointing out that people just completely misinterpreted each other and are arguing things that one side or another didn't even say.

If you take out the ignorance and add in people who legitimately want to argue actual game design or whatever, I think that it's progressive in a lot of ways.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
October 31 2011 16:30 GMT
#38
On November 01 2011 01:14 Kon-Tiki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:27 Boonbag wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:17 konadora wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:16 hacklebeast wrote:
Does this extend to lol or cod? Or is esports only starcraft?

ALL games

after all, we're all just nerds and fanboys on the inside!


well to me korean bw pro gaming holds the kind of place greek mythology does


Well then the SC2 Gods are the Romans. There are some direct knock-offs (Boxer, NaDa, July, etc) and then there are the fresh faces. Some are borrowed from completely other cultures (ThorZain, Naniwa) and some just kinda channel the old Greek spirit (MC, NesTea). Perhaps not entirely original, but there's room for both


oh i watch more sc2 than sc1 but what you say sounds actually pretty right
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
October 31 2011 16:32 GMT
#39
A little bit of civil contention can be enjoyable and enlightening. Unfortunately BW vs SC2 discussions invariably draw out some stupid shit.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
October 31 2011 16:35 GMT
#40
I don't know if it's going to happen. I, for one, am just so embittered.

Two straight years of having to endure the words dying, inevitable, and transition; of neophytes crowing about Starcraft and "ESPORTS" while simultaneously hoping to cannibalize our scene, our players, our sponsors; of lawsuits hanging over us like the sword of Damocles; of Blizzard answering our elated anticipation of a sequel to The Matrix with Reloaded, and then constantly reading about how much better the special effects are; of being slowly marginalized here on TL and even having the Power Rank de-marginalized from the sidebar; of terrible, terrible damn ugh Dustin Browder dooming the design direction of the franchise; of watching every GSL final and leaving disappointed.

It's a lot to take, man. It wears on you, and some people just get tired. I wish I could let it all slide and just take it for what it is, I do--but I don't know how. Listen, Kona, if you ever see a SC2 game that warms the cockles of your heart just like one from BW, maybe you could PM me about it. And then who knows, maybe I could love again.
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