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Subtle Evolution of ZvT (Oct GSL spoilers) - Page 3

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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 17 2011 07:40 GMT
#41
On October 17 2011 03:36 a176 wrote:
most the stuff is normal/given, but good post nevertheless


Most of it is logical but was still never used in high-end play for whatever reason, probably because there is so much else players had to improve, so no given and not normal at all.

Great writeup. Haven't watched any GSL October games yet but it's good to see high-end Zerg finally doing the things i always wanted to see (Esp. more queens).
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 17 2011 07:46 GMT
#42
As someone who only occasionally watches SC2, this was a great report for me
Thanks

Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
October 17 2011 08:08 GMT
#43
On October 17 2011 16:46 thedeadhaji wrote:
As someone who only occasionally watches SC2, this was a great report for me
Thanks


What he said.

5/5
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 17 2011 08:11 GMT
#44
This is an awesome write-up. I think I'll start taking notes now!
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Jim7
Profile Joined December 2010
United States154 Posts
October 17 2011 08:55 GMT
#45
Great blog! Very cool to see how things change and adapt in such a small period of time.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
October 17 2011 09:01 GMT
#46
thanks for this great blog. It would also fit very well into the strategy subforum, since all you pointed out helps to improve as a zergplayer. I personally will try to remember the spine walk in my next games
keep it deep! @zulison
SoFool
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Malaysia96 Posts
October 17 2011 09:21 GMT
#47
Moar queens? Ok ;3
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Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
October 17 2011 09:29 GMT
#48
Suddenly I wish I had bought the ticket for October, but I'm sure I could use this write up to tweak my ZvT to be more efficient!

5/5, bookmarking for future reference!
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aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
October 17 2011 09:32 GMT
#49
Nice read, thanks dood, that a lot of time put in to it!
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Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
October 17 2011 09:52 GMT
#50
ZvT is the best and most dynamic matchup in SC2. Players are highly rewarded for their mechanics and multitasking, it is fast paced, actionpacked and tense and as this thread displays so well it is so evolved right now and it only gets better and better.
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CutieBK
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden227 Posts
October 17 2011 10:24 GMT
#51
Great analsys, enjoyed reading it a ton! :D

Lets hope P begin to shape up too so you can make a blog of how smart they are in this matchup!
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 17 2011 10:36 GMT
#52
I think the mass queen was "created" by dimaga, wo had a period where he did something like 6 queens on 2 bases far before spanishiwa was even know (something like in 2010 I think).
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
October 17 2011 10:43 GMT
#53
The images are highly informative. Awesome stuff!
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Profile Joined March 2011
Poland173 Posts
October 17 2011 10:43 GMT
#54
nice read
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Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 17 2011 10:44 GMT
#55
great post!!
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Nightrage
Profile Joined October 2010
Greece212 Posts
October 17 2011 11:13 GMT
#56
ZvT is definitely my favorite matchup in SC2. It's really nice to see the game evolving.

Great work with the thread! Pretty useful for the noobs like myself. Thanks
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hoolaboris
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)55 Posts
October 17 2011 11:28 GMT
#57
did i just read the word "nash equilibrium" in a starcraft thread? that's a very bold term to use for a simple metagame tendancy
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
October 17 2011 11:40 GMT
#58
very nice, simple but a lot of knowledge dumped right there, would gladly read more!
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Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
October 17 2011 12:29 GMT
#59
I am actually expecting both Z/P to start dominating T in the near future, or maybe after 1 more patch (even though that T will remain the best designed and strongest race).
Simply due to the fact that whole Korea is almost exclusively practicing their vT match ups.
At the time like that, i don't think Terrans who are mostly practicing TvT's can keep up with players who just keep honing their builds vs T.
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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
October 17 2011 13:13 GMT
#60
I really like those kind of posts wich take subtle changes and explain why they came to be. Motivates me to try and implement them into my play and just shows how deep of a game is starcraft.
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