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Subtle Evolution of ZvT (Oct GSL spoilers) - Page 6

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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9049 Posts
October 19 2011 07:01 GMT
#101
Thanks for the super informative post.
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
October 20 2011 15:33 GMT
#102
To be completely honest, after I read this, I won a ZvT <3. While not abnormal, the game was, and only because I was taking the concepts of this post into account was I able to succeed, in my humble opinion.
A) willingness to build more queens (and consequently spread more creep)
B) spine placement
C) overseers

I would have loved to incorporate items like zoning banes as well as macro hatcheries, but I didn't have the resources- stupid terran kept the game in the mid-game so i never could tech or get a comp that would be able to use a macro hatch D;
fjjotizz
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden153 Posts
October 21 2011 07:03 GMT
#103
Very structured, clean and opposite of abstract post. I love it!
"I'm a creepy guy. Tasteless, if it would make my units move faster, I would peek in everyones window in Seoul."
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
October 23 2011 02:01 GMT
#104
Subtle?
How are these subtle changes?
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Temporarykid
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada362 Posts
October 24 2011 06:45 GMT
#105
GREAT POST! I really liked how you picked up on all of these things, and I will really try to do so myself in my ZvT! I wish I had more time to watch GSL, but sometimes I can breathe a sigh of relief because there are people like you out there. So thank you! :3
ㅈㅈ
Shyndashu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States136 Posts
November 27 2011 21:14 GMT
#106
Sometimes just a quick reminder that we even have burrowed banelings available is helpful. I never use them, but I can always think of situations in which they are good. I actually just had a game today that I could've used them. Thanks for the tips. My ZvT has been slacking lately and is stopping me from getting to Masters. =[
liluoke
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3 Posts
April 11 2012 22:43 GMT
#107
Some time has passed since the writing of this post and I wonder if anyone is interested in updating a bit on the evolution of ZvT in recent times? I know that compared to ZvP the meta has been relatively static. Would anyone with some confidence/knowledge on the subject like to contribute? I just got back into SC2 recently and was just curious.
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