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Subtle Evolution of ZvT (Oct GSL spoilers) - Page 2

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Laneir United States1160 Posts October 17 2011 04:21 GMT #21 great write up

AnxiousHippo Australia1451 Posts October 17 2011 04:40 GMT #22 Thankyou very much.

_MiU Australia35 Posts October 17 2011 04:46 GMT #23 Hmm, Leenock's use of dynamic banelings have been around for a very long time, I noticed him using them a few months ago but only to a moderate amount of success. Can't remember the vod, but I'm sure it was back when xel naga caverns was still played. I was quite surprised no-one copied him, as this does have a potential to be quite devastating. Terran thinks he wins a battle only to lose a massive clump of marines..

BrodiaQ United States892 Posts October 17 2011 04:53 GMT #24 Really really nice to see this in writing since these are all changes that have been happening in my play lately that I didn't even realize I had done. Really well put together post, great analysis and explanations given. 5/5

Mobius_1 United Kingdom2763 Posts October 17 2011 05:04 GMT #25 Wow, nice, I've also noticed some of those things seemed a little different but since I'm T I just kind of assumed that's how they always played ^_^ Seems like most of those style changes were precipitated by the rise in the use of Hellion openings, making fast thirds and ling-only defenses not viable. Also, SirJolt is too awesome.

Imalengrat Australia365 Posts October 17 2011 05:04 GMT #26 Nice read. ZvT is my favorite match up because of ALL of this.

CatNzHat United States1599 Posts October 17 2011 05:07 GMT #27 Great post here, I was considering doing something similar for the TvP builds, but I think I'm going to hold off until after blizzcon. As a matchup gets more figured out, the changes become more and more subtle, and more and more confident, such has been happening with TvP lately, and the ZvT matchup as a whole (meaning from both sides). I second SirJolt with the text.

Vei United States2845 Posts October 17 2011 05:25 GMT #28 sick post! great stuff, will definitely read more in-depth when i return. *cue dragoon voice in my mind*

0neder United States3733 Posts October 17 2011 05:28 GMT #29 Great post. Concise, well-worded, and an accurate summary that in part illustrates how Sc2 is getting more exciting as players get closer to the skill ceiling.

Belial88 United States5217 Posts October 17 2011 05:30 GMT #30 Nice write-up. You watch play from a year ago, and honestly, I can say with confidence that I play better today than Fruitdealer, or Kryix, did a year ago. Even watching games from 6 months ago, it's just amazing how bad players were. Of course, I'm not saying I'm great, it's just amazing how little we really understand this game. Some things are patches, but it's amazing how much is just people just didn't understand the game.

ptell United States103 Posts October 17 2011 05:36 GMT #31 hey whatthefat, do you also notice that Zergs are getting ling speed later or is it just me?

TheNessman United States4158 Posts October 17 2011 05:38 GMT #32 THESE are the kinds of important strategy posts that need to be constantly discussed on TL. great post!

densha United States797 Posts October 17 2011 05:47 GMT #33 Thank you, OP, for putting in words what has been swimming around in my mind ever since the group stages.

XXXSmOke United States1333 Posts October 17 2011 05:50 GMT #34 What a healthy MU, evolution continues to make it more dynamic. If only TvP could actually turn into a decent MU like this one. Good anyalysis OP loved the visuals.

me_viet Australia1350 Posts October 17 2011 06:25 GMT #35 wow great post, some of those things I didn't even notice. good work =]

TutsiRebel United States172 Posts October 17 2011 06:31 GMT #36 This got frontpaged, nice. Fantastic post.

DisaFear Australia4074 Posts October 17 2011 06:45 GMT #37 Wonderful haha, thanks for taking the time to compile it

courtpanda 866 Posts October 17 2011 06:51 GMT #38 this almost belongs in the strategy forum its so good

JerKy Korea (South)3013 Posts October 17 2011 07:17 GMT #39 Great write up Would love to see one for "The Protoss Comeback" :p

blade55555 United States17423 Posts October 17 2011 07:36 GMT #40 Yeah zergs in zvt its strong to get 3-4 queens then get gas which is like 30-32 supply I think. do notice this is very effective on maps with an easier to defend natural (its harder on a map like xelnaga where the naturals so big) is what I have noticed anyway. I have been doing fast 3 queens but not 4 and finding it super effective for creep spread ^^.

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