• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:13
CET 19:13
KST 03:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains10Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block4GSL CK - New online series18BSL Season 224Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE20
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list? Terran AddOns placement Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains GSL CK - New online series
Tourneys
[GSL CK] Team Maru vs. Team herO WardiTV Team League Season 10 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 BWCL Season 64 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC) Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
NASA and the Private Sector US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Mexico's Drug War Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1672 users

Frustration is frustration - let's move on

Blogs > Reithan
Post a Reply
Reithan
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
September 27 2011 05:31 GMT
#1
Getting frustrated and angry at things isn't helping. It's a good motivator to improvement, but you end up having to move through it before you can actually get that improvement done.

To that end, I got some good practice vs FFE builds with a buddy online tonight, thanks to the "Practice Lounge" channel in-game. I recommend it highly to anyone actually trying to get some good work done.

I took some replays and advice from a couple master-league friends and tried to break them down to figure out what they were doing, and I think I have the basics of the build down, but I need to finish figuring out the timing and the micro required to really make them work.

Also, I know the scouting in these game is super bad, but I wasn't working on that tonight. So to hell with it.

My main focuses were hammering out the build well enough to be able to get to a good drone count and get unit production into full swing before the FFE payed off for the 'toss player. To facilitate this my 2 key goals were avoiding getting supply blocked and maintaining some sort of map control/vision/presence.

Anything else is secondary. Secondary things of note that should be worked on - tech/production timings, scouting, creep spread, micro/positioning.

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

If anyone notices anything else in here that should be a further focus, please let me know.

*
http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/Xanthus730 ***** http://www.twitch.tv/reithan
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 09:04:45
September 27 2011 09:03 GMT
#2
Well first game he goes up to 9 gates off of 2 bases and cuts a ton of probes early on. He stays around 40 even while getting his 3rd up. (His probe production is horrible through the whole game)

Your 3rd comes up at around 15 minutes, which is way too late to try and combat a 2 (almost 3) base Protoss. If you see that he is going FFE on that map in those positions, take the base further away from him down at 6 o clock. Also, if you are going to make that many lings early on, you should just do a speedling expand so you have more mobility. Attacking with slow lings off creep is just suicide against stalkers even with roach support.

Major mistakes in 1st game.
-3rd way too late
-Make too many lings early without getting metabolic boost.
-You go double evo chamber but still only get 1 upgrade at a time.
-Macro hatch inbase before getting an expansion is horrible, just put it at another expansion so you can mine from it later.
-Don't attack off creep with slow lings or slow roaches against stalkers (especially blink stalkers).
-You had the ability to drone harder but you went into full production mode to try and kill him.
-Not pooling units before attacking a massive ball of stalkers. Always make sure you gather your army into a group before trying to engage. (unless you are trying to spread the protoss out by hitting multiple bases)

Game 2
-Good 3rd base timing, saturate it more
-Ling speed way too late, again I think getting 100 gas and taking your guys out of the geyser to get more minerals to get your 3rd up is better than skipping ling speed all together. If you are going to skip ling speed you need to have it timed out to the T so that you can hold off aggression.
-4 spines in your natural but you attack in the middle of the map with slow lings and lost your army. Engage where you have the advantage...at your spines.
-You don't pool your guys again before attack you just keep running them to their deaths.

GSL is starting (I'll update this with the other two games and my thoughts).
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
Reithan
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
September 27 2011 23:16 GMT
#3
I think overall Game 3 (by file name, not by post order, since they're out of order) is the best. They're all failures, overall, but Game 3 was best.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/Xanthus730 ***** http://www.twitch.tv/reithan
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
12:00
Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 141
elazer 89
JuggernautJason60
Livibee 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34807
Jaedong 1288
Mini 825
EffOrt 592
Larva 363
BeSt 326
firebathero 230
Dewaltoss 109
actioN 63
scan(afreeca) 23
[ Show more ]
sSak 23
Rock 22
Bale 22
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
NaDa 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5836
qojqva1988
Counter-Strike
byalli376
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor88
MindelVK10
Other Games
Grubby1744
FrodaN994
Beastyqt588
ToD160
ArmadaUGS138
Fuzer 134
KnowMe114
C9.Mang0107
Trikslyr59
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream17359
Other Games
gamesdonequick1403
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 68
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis9857
• TFBlade1026
• Shiphtur265
Other Games
• imaqtpie669
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 47m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 15h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
WardiTV Team League
1d 17h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 22h
Patches Events
1d 22h
BSL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
2 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
GSL
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-11
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.