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Musclecore
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden103 Posts
September 22 2011 20:12 GMT
#1
Well, given the collective 'expertise' (hehe) of the TL community on the subject, I figured... why not try and get some level headed advise from strangers? Anyway, I bet this will be quite a long blog and a clusterfuck of TL;DR. So a warning. I'm not good at keeping things short.

Ok, I'll begin with some back-story. I met this girl for the first time in the late summer of 2009, I was 20 years old, she was 17. Let's call here Ewe. We met through a Swedish forum about metal music, and were two of few from the town I'm from, so we met up once, and then started meeting for concerts and what not. Maybe for a cup of coffee every once in a while. I quickly found an interest, but am quite timid, so I didn't make a move. Wasn't sure if I was in love or what not, so I wanted to feel the situation out a little bit more. Also, she was in an (unhappy) relationship at the time which fell to pieces about a month after we first met.

Then another guy, let's call him Bob, entered the picture,. Bob, and another guy (John from now on) that I was more acquainted with, live in a town just a couple of miles away, so they came down for gigs from time to time. At one of these gigs, Ewe made a move on Bob. They held hands and what not, and I saw something was going on. Later Bob took contact with me and asked if it was ok if he went on with it, since he knew I had an interest in her since before. I figured since it was something that happened naturally between them, I shouldn't cock block it - bros before hoes and all that. So they moved on with their relationship, and I subdued my own emotions.

Fast forward to the new year of 09-10. We had arranged a new years party with the forum members out of town, and I, Ewe and John was going to attend, however Bob couldn't for some reason. To cut it short, she hit it off with another guy there. I don't know much about the details, what had happened between Ewe and Bob in the months prior and so forth. In any case, I was disturbed by the whole thing. I wanted to talk to Bob about it, but felt it was none of my concern, however John told him. Things were over between Ewe and Bob.

And as the months went by, the things between Ewe and the new years flirt didn't work out. Guess it was because they lived about 5 hours by train/car from each other

After that, I and Ewe still met up at concerts every now and then. Carried on with the friendship, and I still held my emotions subdued. Reasoned she was too immature for something more to work, and I was content with how things were anyway... and if something happened, it would happen. And it happened...

So now to more recent times. Earlier this year, in February or so, yet another dude entered her life. This time it was the dude who picked her up however. And when she finished High School, or whatever the equivalent would be, she moved into his apartment. Apparently that was too soon, and she felt imprisoned in the relationship, saw they didn't fit together as well as it seemed in the first phase of infatuation etc. Still, she tried to get things to work out of sympathy for the guy, who had some problems on his own.

I had barely spoken to her during these months, we had only seen each other once at a festival during the summer, so I had no clue about the whole thing at the time. In any case, now there was this concert on the 27th of August that we met up for. Some other people were coming over to do some drinking before the gig, and we were going to be at her mothers place since it was close to the venue, and her mother was out of town. Since we hadn't talked for a while, I checked up on how things were, and she told me some details of the whole ordeal with this guy she lived with. We didn't talk much more about it, the other guys came around, we drank, went to the gig... And once it was over, I saw she was distressed. So I tried to comfort her, saw she was in a weak state of mind. We held hands, I held her and talked to soothe her. It was kind of late, everyone was exhausted, and people moved on homewards... I followed her to her home to her mothers place, felt like I couldn't leave her alone at that point. One of her girlfriends who had been out drinking came over as well, and both of us talked to her for a couple of hours. Tried to get her to realize that she couldn't drag things out with this guy any longer if she felt the way she did, yadda yadda.

Then her friend fell asleep on the couch, and I and Ewe was sitting next to each other on a bed in one of the bedrooms just chatting on. I was starting to enter the phase between intoxication and a hangover, was tired as a hell, and felt that something was "in the air". Couldn't make a move however. Felt it wasn't the right thing to do in the situation... She hadn't even broken up with the guy yet (she was going to, and did, the next day), I didn't want to "exploit" her when she was weak. So we laid there next to each other, held hands, and I was goofing about as I usually do when I'm tired/intoxicated. Eventually, we decided it was time to sleep, I got to sleep on her mothers bed, she went to her room. I laid there for about ten minutes thinking about the whole thing, my own emotions, her, how I should interpret the situation, how I should handle things onwards. Then she came in and said she couldn't fall asleep on her own, and if it was ok if she could sleep next to me. A slight panic kicked in, but I said yes. So she laid down next to me, I laid my arm around her... and we both tried to fall asleep for five minutes or so. Or well, I did at least. Then it came from her;

"Do you have feelings for me?"
Ugh... I panicked even more! My mind was in total chaos, but I was honest and said I did have feelings for her. She was quiet for about a minute, and then I threw the question back to her.
"What about you?"
"Yeah... but I'm afraid about what it would mean for our friendship."
I guess that was a warning bell. In any case, I got an anxiety attack after that. I shook like a leaf. We tried to talk a little bit more, I was a wreck mentally, and I can't even recall what any of us said after that. We tried to talk, I was angry at myself for having that reaction, but I couldn't calm down. After a while when both of us figured we couldn't get anything out of talking at that point, we decided to sleep separately anyway. Hehe. She gave me a kiss, and went to her bedroom. And I tried to sleep. Took me what felt like years to calm down, but eventually I did and entered oblivion...

The next day, I woke up, her friend had left for work, and everything was calm. I met up with Ewe in the living room, said good morning. We didn't speak of the night before, instead we talked about the whole breaking up thing with the other guy, to give her confidence in her decision and that it was time, and that I would be there for her afterward if she wanted to talk. I had to go home, and she had to do her thing, and we separated. I didn't hear anything from her for a few hours, and later that evening I sent her a text and asked how things were going. She said it was done, and that she was home alone, but was going to meet up with a friend for a few drinks, and that I could come along if I wanted to - which I did. But I was at a family gathering with my siblings and father, so I would show up later. But things didn't happen that way, since her company was moving on to other pubs, and she didn't feel like it, so she would come home to me instead.

She did, and my family was still there. So we just listened to music, had a few beers, socialized. Wasn't a situation where we could talk yet, but eventually people left and it was she and I. And we talked. About how she felt over the break up, and eventually... about us. What had happened the night before, what we should do from now on and so forth. Should we try for a relationship? What will happen now when things are out in the open when it comes to how we feel? We somewhat decided to give it a chance, but to take things slowly, feel things out. I put on a movie, and we fell asleep next to each other in my bed, her head on my chest. I barely slept that night.

Well, I guess that's the meaty part. The next few days, we met up a few times, talked about all manner of things, had long conversations on MSN. But I felt uneasy. I knew I had to give her time, but my own feelings were growing stronger and I wanted more, but I didn't know how to balance it out. So I figured I should just talk to her about it, but the situation was never right. I couldn't just bust it out of nowhere, felt weird to do that. I wanted to have the conversation face to face, and not via some messenger service, so I tried to meet her whenever, and get into a mood where I felt comfortable talking about it. But something always came in the way... Her mother came home if I was over there, she had to study (had just started a course at the university), she had a previous engagement with a friend etc.

Later that week, I felt how she started to get distant. When we met and gave each other I hug, I felt how it wasn't the same. She was somewhere else in her head when we talked about other things. I felt things were going in the wrong direction. Eventually on Saturday night, I figured I would just do it. I talked to her on MSN, and said I had thoughts about us and I wanted to talk about it, and she just logged off without a word. Then I knew something was totally wrong, and I felt like shit. The next morning, I logged on msn "as offline" to see if she was on, saw she was, and jumped in "as online", and she logged off as soon as I did. Figured she was avoiding me. A few hours passed, and I sent her a text saying I felt that she was being unjust and that we had to talk, to which she replied "later this evening".

And later that evening, or rather that night, since it was midnight, she logged on. And we talked... She said she was too labile for a relationship, that she was worried about our friendship (yeah, the warning bell before) and that she couldn't do it. That I was worth everything good in this world, but she wasn't it. Even if I had seen it coming, I was frustrated, and confused... I worded myself poorly, cut my sentences short and said I don't know about how things will transpire from now on, but that I don't know how a friendship could continue after what had happened. I just felt numb, and eventually said good bye and logged off. Went to bed, and fell asleep immediately.

The next day I had my little breakdown, was angry at myself for letting it happen, I cried. But later that evening something clicked in me, and I just felt calm and happy. And the day after that, I sent her a message on facebook, and said I had been overreacting, and that I held no ill feelings towards her. (I still don't) She said it was ok, that she had a lot to do, and that we could talk later that week.

So now, the aftermath. I thought I had come to terms with it all, but no. Last week, I started to feel the anxiety again. The thoughts kept me up at night, I couldn't fall asleep until my mind/body was at utter exhaustion. We hadn't talked since the exchange of PM's on facebook. I had to fight to hold the anxiety attacks back. I saw her online on MSN during these times, but I couldn't get myself to talk with her. So I waited for her to talk to me if she wanted to, but she never did. So last Tuesday I manned up and wrote to her, and said I still felt shit about the whole situation, but that I just needed to chat with her. Try to normalize the situation somehow. That I wanted to talk to her about what had happened between us at some other point when I felt more stable emotionally. And then we had some general talk about other things for an hour, just friendly banter.

So yeah. Now I don't know what to do anymore. My emotions and my rationale can't join together, I just feel confused. I know I can just let time tend my emotional wounds, but I don't know how the relationship with Ewe - as friends or whatever else - will function from now on. I don't know what actions I can do in the now to ease the feelings inside of me. I still have feelings for her, but I don't know if I should tell her that. I try to occupy myself to not think about it, but I can't. I've talked to friends about the whole thing, but I don't get anything out of it. I don't know if talking about it with her will do good rather than harm. I'm torn between different states of mind, sometimes self pity, sometimes anger, sometimes overwhelming sadness, sometimes I laugh at it all, that I'm making a hen out of a feather. When I lay my head on my pillow, it all strikes up within me... and thoughts. Thoughts about what I could've done different. Am I too needy? Should I have been more proactive? Should I have done less? Will we reach a point where a romantic relationship will be possible again? Can we stay friends? Will my emotions for her "die out"? How do I carry on... Hmm. Yeah, it's all chaotic inside. Confused and without answers, answers that probably don't even exist.

I've decided to stay away from MSN/the forum I talked about/facebook for a couple of days at least. Try and examine myself, try and not distract myself, and do some introspection. Take long walks, baths and so forth and just try and get something together within myself. But, hell... I figured I could try and talk about the whole thing here as well. Might get something out of it.

If you read this whole thing, I guess I can only thank you. If you didn't, I understand . So... yep. Have a good one. Sorry for any grammatical errors.

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Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 22 2011 20:19 GMT
#2
I don't understand your attraction to this girl in the first place, and why you never moved on after she's been in 4 ... 5? other relationships. You seem very social by the post but I have to ask, do you get to meet many other girls?
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TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
September 22 2011 20:26 GMT
#3
Hell of a story mate, read it all, the best advice I can give you is from the mouth of qxc right before a tournament match, and its something on the lines of. "If I go into my next match thinking about the victory or the defeat it will effect my judgement in game, so I'm just going to make good decisions." There's no clear way to handle this, so just do your best to make good decisions, that's really all you can do.
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 22 2011 20:30 GMT
#4
This is nonsense. Is this how you do it in Sweden? Pfah! Here in Norway we just grab the wench by the pigtails and tell'er she's ours 'til we're sick of it.

...

This is what I do in Girl blogs because I have no real advice I'm so sorry
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Musclecore
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 20:34:12
September 22 2011 20:33 GMT
#5
On September 23 2011 05:19 a176 wrote:
I don't understand your attraction to this girl in the first place, and why you never moved on after she's been in 4 ... 5? other relationships. You seem very social by the post but I have to ask, do you get to meet many other girls?


If I only knew that! It's all irrational, but my emotions work against my better judgement. If I should try and verbalize the attraction - she's a very creative individual, we have many things in common not only when it comes to music. The only downside in her I can see is in relation to what you said, her own emotions seem to be very volatile. I could carry on with Ewe on a friendly basis, and I didn't make any romantic moves since I knew how she was. But this whole thing just kind of happened now.

And I guess I didn't care much during the period after the first fuckups she had the first six months we knew eachother. I had a relationship with another woman for about half a year last year which didn't work out in the end.

As of now, I don't meet many other girls no. Not that it has mattered very much the times I've been in a more social environment, I rarely get attracted in a manner of love.

On September 23 2011 05:26 TBone- wrote:
Hell of a story mate, read it all, the best advice I can give you is from the mouth of qxc right before a tournament match, and its something on the lines of. "If I go into my next match thinking about the victory or the defeat it will effect my judgement in game, so I'm just going to make good decisions." There's no clear way to handle this, so just do your best to make good decisions, that's really all you can do.


Yeah. I feel that I just have to see how things pan out. However it would be sad if our friendship is ruined because of a momentary lapse of judgement on both of our ends, and I want to mend it if I'm able.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy
deepfield1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States373 Posts
September 22 2011 20:33 GMT
#6
When you are 30 and look back on this you are going to facepalm. My advice: stop playing games and be 100% honest with her. If she don't like it.. move on.
j0k3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States577 Posts
September 22 2011 20:38 GMT
#7
Hi friend. I read the entire post and I feel for you. My advice is to lay it all out. Go in with a plan, throw the dice around and see what happens. You can't force someone to want to be in a relationship with you, no matter how much you try. Be 100% honest with how you feel about her, how you want to continue and you see her much much more than a friend. I don't think it's possible to go back to normalcy now - not after this point. You're in love with her.

She know's you've always been there for her and she's afraid you can't fill that role anymore, but she's wrong. You can be her best friend and her lover, they're not mutually exclusive positions. You need to reinforce this notion and do your best to assuage her fears and concerns. You need to show strength of character and display your resolve. You believe in the relationship. She can too.

So yeah, that's my advice. You throw the dice out there, it may go your way it might not. But it's your best bet. Make sure you get the truth from her. Whether you like it or not you'll have to live with it. And it's better to know for certain than to live in the uncertainy and anxiety you're living through now. That way you can heal, you can slowly move on. Good luck.
Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
September 22 2011 20:38 GMT
#8
You should do what you feel is right, and say what you want to say. Don't think about what she wants to hear, or what you think might be political etc.. If you think you can't be friendly with her anymore after all this has happened I think you shouldn't try to force it. You can always try to contact her later after you've cooled down.

A pretty similar thing happened to me a few years ago, And I didn't talk to her for about 4 months after it went wrong, We're friends again now.

Good luck!
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KWik-E
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States72 Posts
September 22 2011 20:40 GMT
#9
On September 23 2011 05:33 deepfield1 wrote:
When you are 30 and look back on this you are going to facepalm. My advice: stop playing games and be 100% honest with her. If she don't like it.. move on.


Quoted for truth.

To me it sounds like she is in total control of your relationship. I feel like she really set everything in motion then has your apologizing for it. Doesn't sound fair to me.
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
September 22 2011 20:40 GMT
#10
Anxiety and the shakes.. damn dude

I don't know, maybe I'm just jaded or something. I've gone through some nasty shit with chicks.. I don't think I really experience the "I have a crush" jitters so much anymore. I got served with a reality check when the mother of my son (who I adopted - she doesnt know who the father is) started sleeping around on me and popping perscription drugs.

I don't really emotionally invest in a girl the way I used to. I have a current GF, and things are going great, but I think on some level I'll always be on guard.

All I can suggest is to just be cool with being single, before even considering a "relationship". Take pride in who you are and what you do. Girlfriends come and go, but you are stuck with yourself for the rest of your life, so don't get hung up on her - just chill, and do what you do.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6196 Posts
September 22 2011 20:41 GMT
#11
On September 23 2011 05:30 marttorn wrote:
This is nonsense. Is this how you do it in Sweden? Pfah! Here in Norway we just grab the wench by the pigtails and tell'er she's ours 'til we're sick of it.

...

This is what I do in Girl blogs because I have no real advice I'm so sorry


good advice show her who is boss!

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Honestly though she doesn't seem like a good girl to be with just stop having contact with her and look for another girl.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 22 2011 20:50 GMT
#12
On September 23 2011 05:33 Musclecore wrote:
As of now, I don't meet many other girls no. Not that it has mattered very much the times I've been in a more social environment, I rarely get attracted in a manner of love.


so, this is a very big issue in my eyes. despite all this girl's drawbacks, your heart and mind has nothing else to latch onto aside from the past; you're not giving yourself the choice in the matter and you'll just end up making it worse for yourself in the end.

dont be afraid and just take other girls out on casual dates. you don't have to be in love to go on a date. if you dont like the person you just keep moving on with other people. eventually youll find someone ... or that someone will find you.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 22 2011 20:51 GMT
#13
On September 23 2011 05:33 deepfield1 wrote:
When you are 30 and look back on this you are going to facepalm. My advice: stop playing games and be 100% honest with her. If she don't like it.. move on.


dude... are you jester? were you a poker player? why do I recognize your username.


anyways I agree with this post. stop being a pussy. and if she's being dumb then tell her to stop it.
Herro_Korea
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
310 Posts
September 22 2011 20:52 GMT
#14
Just do what you feel is right in your gutts man. Be 100% honest and don't be afraid of consequences. Oh and don't talk a lot with girls you're interested with trough messangers if you want it to be anything serious. More contact in real.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 22 2011 20:56 GMT
#15
I've got a story which is fairly similar too, don't worry about it. Just let it go, brother.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 21:00:51
September 22 2011 20:56 GMT
#16
On September 23 2011 05:26 TBone- wrote:
Hell of a story mate, read it all, the best advice I can give you is from the mouth of qxc right before a tournament match, and its something on the lines of. "If I go into my next match thinking about the victory or the defeat it will effect my judgement in game, so I'm just going to make good decisions." There's no clear way to handle this, so just do your best to make good decisions, that's really all you can do.



that's... some godly wisdom

she seems like a pretty kind person to me.
---and you are too

if i had the sort of mindset that you did, or still have now.. i would be a lot happier about what i've done in the past.

but as always, it's now in the past. the thoughts of how much you respect what's happened, and how everything has affected you until now may not help you to realize a happy ending with her.

i understand... that.. sometimes when talking, what you learn and how things are going (towards the awkward side or not) will put you in an odd place. everyone is bound to make mistakes, and what you did or said was entirely understandable to me also. as long as they were honest feelings, i don't think she will hold anything against you. it can be hard to 'pick' your words and articulate----all this emotional stuff.

but while you still seem to have the chance, i think you should find out yourself where her feelings for you stand. she is hinting towards wanting to be single, but she cares about hurting you at the same time. this is where you can take the initiative and show-more than to tell her- that you are worth more than what her indecision about you can bring to the table.

good luck !
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MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 20:58:24
September 22 2011 20:56 GMT
#17
Tough position actually... you should probably tell her how you feel because clearly you're not going to get over her until you tell her. If she doesn't feel the same way, you have to move on. The " I don't want to lose you as a friend" excuse is bullshit. And... I don't know if you can be her friend, it's actually hard to be friends with someone you have feeling for, well IMO it is...And make sure you tell her this in person, not on MSN or FB, but i'm sure you knew that =) good luck buddy

Edit: Also, as a guy, you have to go for what you want and girls like that. Can't really say this for all girls, but the ones i've known and talked to agrees with the statement
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 21:00:29
September 22 2011 20:59 GMT
#18
It's going to be impossible to stay friends with this girl unless you are the most emotionless man ever. So, accepting that, your options are to stop worrying about her feelings and catch her, or stop worrying about her feelings and move on.

What you don't want to do is be worrying about her feelings and sitting in no man's land for 2 years while she dates another half dozen guys.
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MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
September 22 2011 20:59 GMT
#19
On September 23 2011 05:56 IntoTheheart wrote:
I've got a story which is fairly similar too, don't worry about it. Just let it go, brother.


Nope, don't let it go, work hard for what you want.
lixlix
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States482 Posts
September 22 2011 21:06 GMT
#20
you shouldn't be so strung out by a girl 3 years younger than you.

Seriously, you should be the one in control of this relationship whether it be just friends or something more.

You wishy washy attitude and general indecisiveness is making you less attractive to her. There is nothing you need to find out from her. The more you remain her platonic friend, the less she is willing to be your girlfriend.

Don't even need to tell her how you feel, it won't make a difference, and I suspect she already knows.

Reduce contact with her, stop being her emotional sponge, date some other girls and she'll come around.
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