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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10663 Posts
August 31 2011 21:45 GMT
#21
GM no.

Masters? Why not.
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
August 31 2011 21:45 GMT
#22
On September 01 2011 06:24 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 06:15 OscarN wrote:
c+ honestly is probly grandmasters league


That's what people keep saying but it isn't true for everyone

I'm probably the only c+ bw - diamond sc2 player


do u like never play sc2 or something? c+ is honestly super good in bw.
00Zarathustra
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bolivia419 Posts
August 31 2011 21:51 GMT
#23
BTW I'm not planing on REACHING GM level just defeating ONE GM Bolivian player. Just to clarify
Zarathustra "You can't spell aNal_Rape without Nal_Ra"
Sc2Requiem
Profile Joined June 2011
United States121 Posts
August 31 2011 21:53 GMT
#24
If you're focusing solely on this GM player you're going to get knocked out by the lower leaguers you underestimated. A few people mentioned just learning a cheese or all-in and mastering that build, but everyone you face can easily do the same to you. Can you learn how to handle every situation in just one week and perform better than people who may have been playing since release?

If you're coming fresh off of BW I assume you're going to have stronger macro and multi-tasking than most Sc2 players so playing to those strengths is your best bet. Never ever give in to temptation and go for an easy cheese win. Walking into a tournament with no "Plan B" is a guaranteed way to lose.

That said, I don't think you can pull it off. If it was that easy to bring yourself to such a high caliber in a single week we'd have a lot more people in the Sc2 scene right now. If you can prove me wrong then more power to you.
"What is defeat? Nothing but education; nothing but the first step towards something better."
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
August 31 2011 21:57 GMT
#25
Masters would be easy for you yes.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
August 31 2011 22:20 GMT
#26
From what I have seen, SC:BW skill does not directly translate into SC2 skill. I would expect that the advantage you have over new SC players is that your mechanics will be FAR better than most, but your decision making, timings, and game sense are going to be horrible until you know exactly how to react to everything.

IMO, you have very little chance at beating him. Someone who is in GM is probably consistantly good, and there are VERY few players who could even get past diamond in less than a week of practice.
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00Zarathustra
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bolivia419 Posts
August 31 2011 22:24 GMT
#27
On September 01 2011 06:53 Bloodyscissors wrote:
If you're focusing solely on this GM player you're going to get knocked out by the lower leaguers you underestimated. A few people mentioned just learning a cheese or all-in and mastering that build, but everyone you face can easily do the same to you. Can you learn how to handle every situation in just one week and perform better than people who may have been playing since release?

If you're coming fresh off of BW I assume you're going to have stronger macro and multi-tasking than most Sc2 players so playing to those strengths is your best bet. Never ever give in to temptation and go for an easy cheese win. Walking into a tournament with no "Plan B" is a guaranteed way to lose.

That said, I don't think you can pull it off. If it was that easy to bring yourself to such a high caliber in a single week we'd have a lot more people in the Sc2 scene right now. If you can prove me wrong then more power to you.



Lol Im trying to get the skill to beat him in straight up game. Not just to take a win. I want to be better than him to be sure I will go to f}France. Thats means my level will be higher than those lower leaguers.

I think my mind set is the correct one. That been said the only thing that separates me from my goal is practice. The question is how much practice do I need? I hope 12 hours a day/7 days is enough.

Also does anybody know how to cap the framerate? I used RICHs advice to write "frameratecap=60" on variables.txt but it seems it's not working.
Zarathustra "You can't spell aNal_Rape without Nal_Ra"
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
August 31 2011 22:43 GMT
#28
On September 01 2011 07:24 00Zarathustra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 06:53 Bloodyscissors wrote:
If you're focusing solely on this GM player you're going to get knocked out by the lower leaguers you underestimated. A few people mentioned just learning a cheese or all-in and mastering that build, but everyone you face can easily do the same to you. Can you learn how to handle every situation in just one week and perform better than people who may have been playing since release?

If you're coming fresh off of BW I assume you're going to have stronger macro and multi-tasking than most Sc2 players so playing to those strengths is your best bet. Never ever give in to temptation and go for an easy cheese win. Walking into a tournament with no "Plan B" is a guaranteed way to lose.

That said, I don't think you can pull it off. If it was that easy to bring yourself to such a high caliber in a single week we'd have a lot more people in the Sc2 scene right now. If you can prove me wrong then more power to you.



Lol Im trying to get the skill to beat him in straight up game. Not just to take a win. I want to be better than him to be sure I will go to f}France. Thats means my level will be higher than those lower leaguers.

I think my mind set is the correct one. That been said the only thing that separates me from my goal is practice. The question is how much practice do I need? I hope 12 hours a day/7 days is enough.

Also does anybody know how to cap the framerate? I used RICHs advice to write "frameratecap=60" on variables.txt but it seems it's not working.


I really don't think this is enough unless you have a GM'ish level players training you. There are SO many timings/builds that you need to be able to recognize. Maybe if youplay super safe every game you can take it to the lategame. Bunkers are pretty damn good.. But I would honestly be surprised if you even won a game
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
August 31 2011 23:00 GMT
#29
C+ mechanics is easily grandmasters..but you'll need longer than 1 week. or you need to be playing like crazy for that 1 week
aka SethN
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1685 Posts
August 31 2011 23:13 GMT
#30
If you were legit C+, it'll take you a bit longer than a week, but you will be able to within a similar time span. You just gotta get used to the new thinking in SC2, which is prefer different from BW.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
August 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#31
GM no. Metagame and timings take wayyyy longer to learn. I don't think you can get into GM on pure mechanics alone.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 31 2011 23:48 GMT
#32
I was C+ in brood war as well. No
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
September 01 2011 00:06 GMT
#33
I think it's possible. Unlikely, but possible.

I haven't cracked "Masters" yet (I've never gotten higher than Diamond, although I used to practice with Masters players), but I do have a winning record vs Masters level players in tournament settings (something like 60%), and I have 2 wins vs GM players in tournament games (actually, they were top 200 since GM didn't exist, and neither were high on the lists, but still there), and some of my losses were still some pretty close, hard fought games. Neither of those wins were "cheesy" games either, and one of them was an ace game in a CSL match :D.

I wanted to play to the best of my abilities, so I could identify any flaws since I was pretty sure I would lose (in the CSL match, I had no idea that my opponent was top 200 until after I won, I only knew he was very high Masters). And my high rank in BW was C-. Plus, whenever I do try to "cheese", I seem to always botch it in some kind of dumb and embarrassing way.

You have better mechanics than me, which will go a long way. If you play and practice with a bunch of really good players, and specifically work on that specific matchup, I think you could manage to pull off an unexpected win. Winning a best of 3 or 5 will be a much taller order, but at least you should give it a shot!

All I can say is "Good Luck". Give it a shot, how well you do will be up to you and how much you want it.
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SpriteLove
Profile Joined September 2008
United States226 Posts
September 01 2011 00:10 GMT
#34
On September 01 2011 06:10 Pokebunny wrote:
On SC2 names aren't limited, there could be 50 Zarathustra's - you have to give your character code.

No, you definitely can't do it.


Somebody forgot what happened after 1 week of spritelove playing eh?
mG.SpriteLove
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
September 01 2011 02:33 GMT
#35
It's impressive that you beat 4 masters players without even touching the game beforehand, but I think even though your macro will be up to snuff, it'll take a bit longer than a week to beat a GM. They're like your skill, except they play starcraft 2 and you play BW.
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
September 01 2011 02:59 GMT
#36
Its doable only if he was worse at bw. C+ 'korean time' could be a scary good player, definitely top 200. One week? Probably terran only.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
September 01 2011 03:18 GMT
#37
SC2 Macro must seem like EZ mode with MBS and auto-mining eh?

Good luck with your goal, I reckon you can do it if you learn how to hold off cheeses and timing pushes and then just overpower opponent with BW C+ macro. Also, just 1/1/1 Protoss players.
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 03:39:39
September 01 2011 03:35 GMT
#38
I think you can easily get to masters in a week provided you were decent enough at BW. From my own experience playing this game on and off and having basically no idea what I'm doing (strategy what?), I found that having a strong grasp of mechanics is enough to get a guy like me into masters without really anything else. Basic stuff like managing your economy, managing your army, crisis management, and so on is enough, really. All of the old carry-overs that guys like us beat into our skulls through hours upon hours climbing the ranks on iccup. It always boggles my mind to see guys in the lower leagues debating the minutiae of strategy down to a fine, distilled form when they could be winning more games in their league by knowing less but executing better. It's like "oh, I think that the current metagame was detrimental to my current playstyle" when it should be "no dude, you should just build more workers and scout better."

GM though... I dunno. Haven't played in GM myself so I don't know what the competition is like. I assume that your BW-hardened mechanics will need a good dose of strategic know-how to get by at that point.

Anyways, good luck.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
September 01 2011 03:38 GMT
#39
Try to play a heavy harass/multitask style if that's something you're strong at. Don't give him time to hit you with a timing you've never seen before because there are soso many of them.
Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
September 01 2011 05:09 GMT
#40
Coming off from C+ in brood war will only give you the mechanics and basic game knowledge necessary to reach masters without any practice. To play on high master / grandmaster level you need to understand SC2 as well as you understood BW. That will take more than a week of practice and I don't think over practicing will be effective. Of course, its possible to beat a GM player but the chances of that happening are basically the same as a C player hoping to beat a C+ player. Not impossible by any means, but the C player will lose majority of the games.
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