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Hi, I'm a BW player. I will always be. But I just got the SC2 game today, I bought it because as you may know ESWC has a qualifier event in Bolivia. The winner will go to France for the finals.
I'm a C+ level player on BW my strongest skill is macro. But I have never played SC2 I just watch some VODs of koreans playing sc2 (Boxer, MC, Puma, MVP)
So I thought I had no chance of winning this thing, until my friend let me play a few games with his account. I played vs 5 Bolivian Master Leaguers (NA) and I won vs 4 of them. Off course this were just friendlys but this gave me the idea to try the qualifiers, I mean a free trip to France why not?
So there are just 16 players between me and France. The problem is there is a GM Bolivian player and I have one week to master thsi game and be able to beat him.
I know that I wont be able to get the GM league, but I just have to be able to beat this guy to go to france.
I have already watched many day9 daylies. My macro is very strong in Bw and my mechanics will catch up very fast. I just have to focus on the fastest way to learn builds and strategy. I will learn only 2 builds per MU. I will play with Terran.
I also have learned a lot from watching the koreans play. I can understand everything that is going on, which unit counters what and which build counters that other build. I also understand the foundamentals of sc2 micro. I think I have enough theoretical knoweledge to learn the game really fast. Its just a matter of transforming all that knoweledge into skill
The only way to do that is by playing a lot focusing on developing certain skill instead of focusing on wining. Im very comfortable playing 10 hours a day so I will play 12 instead. 7x12 = 84 hours.
Do you think thats enough?
Quallifiers in Santa Cruz start september 7. And the national Finals (also in Santa Cruz) start 3 days later. I have to be ready for that day.
So what do you say. Will I be able to pull it off?
TL;DR: I just bought SC2 and have to play a tourney with Many masters and 1 Grand Master in a week. Do you think I can learn enough to win it?
Also a Poll:
Poll: Can I beat a GM with one week practice?Playing 12 hours a day? Maybe but I doubt it (26) 36% Hell yeah, BW skill is very usefull in sc2 (20) 28% If you are lucky you will beat low level masters. (18) 25% LoL C+ on iccup? Thats Diamond level at most. (8) 11% 72 total votes Your vote: Can I beat a GM with one week practice? (Vote): Hell yeah, BW skill is very usefull in sc2
(Vote): Playing 12 hours a day? Maybe but I doubt it
(Vote): If you are lucky you will beat low level masters.
(Vote): LoL C+ on iccup? Thats Diamond level at most.
If somebody wants to help me practice I would really apreciate it. Maybe if somebody would be willing to give a little coaching lessons for free :D I would also apreciate it. I will need all the help that is available to pull this off. My nick on B.net NA is Zarathustra.295 (Strange nobody took it before)
Bonus: Cochabamba's qualys pics+ Show Spoiler +
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On SC2 names aren't limited, there could be 50 Zarathustra's - you have to give your character code.
No, you definitely can't do it.
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What race does the grandmaster play? Just master some cheeses!
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Well.. You did pick terran, if the GM is protoss you can 111 him every game and cross your fingers. Similarly if he is zerg you can 11/11 rax him every game and hope for good spawns.
In a "real" game I don't see you winning anything.
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If this were closer to release I think you could probably do it with lots of really efficient practice. However as Pokebunny said I don't think you will do it.
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c+ honestly is probly grandmasters league
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Wow I think Pokebunny is being pretty harsh. I think you can do it if your willing to give yourself that much time. and Perfect your skill ladder doesn't mean that much. Nerves of playing in a tournament setting can put the best players on tilt. Just go in confident and with well practiced builds and you will be successful and Hope you get to go to France.
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Just learn a strong timing all-in build for every situation and go for it.
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yeah I never went higher than D in BW and I hang around in the top 20 of my diamond division. Your poll is funky.
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I doubt it, C+ wasn't that high to get there in only a week. Someone who was really good at BW (like A- or higher) I could see doing it because they probably had very very good mechanics / multitasking (see someone like Major who came in and started winning tons of games very fast).
Even then, 1 week isn't a lot to get familiar with all the various aspects that happen. I agree with others that cheese is probably by far your best option :/
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I think you can definitely do it. Just practice doing very strong all ins and C+ definitely has enough mechanics.
You got this dood.
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I think you can do it, especially massing games 10+ hours a day. My experience (C- zerg, focus on macro) was that lategame came easily to me - most players I've run into at mid/high diamond can't keep up with a BW player on lategame macro and management. The harder part is learning to defend against the variety of cheeses and opening builds that are viable in SC2. If you ladder a lot you'll quickly figure out the common ones at least. I think in a week you should be playing at mid masters level if not higher... GM might be a stretch though. Good luck!
BTW link to your rival's sc2ranks page?
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On September 01 2011 06:16 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Wow I think Pokebunny is being pretty harsh. I think you can do it if your willing to give yourself that much time. and Perfect your skill ladder doesn't mean that much. Nerves of playing in a tournament setting can put the best players on tilt. Just go in confident and with well practiced builds and you will be successful and Hope you get to go to France.
Well I've palyed in BW tournaments since 2002, I even participated in international tournament in front of many ppl in LG latinamerican Cup 2003. Also every National BW tournament since 2004 was a big LAN event. So yeah I got the nerves and the competitive experience.
About the usernames I didn't know there could be the same nick I will edit mi identifier to the OP
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I really think people under appreciate "GM level" now a days. Now, I realize that there is a ton of terrible GMs. But lately it seems like every high diamond and low-mid masters guy thinks GM is some sort of build order cakewalk.
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Also guys were do I get the maps? I don't have any right now.
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On September 01 2011 06:15 OscarN wrote:
c+ honestly is probly grandmasters league
That's what people keep saying but it isn't true for everyone 
I'm probably the only c+ bw - diamond sc2 player
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On September 01 2011 06:24 00Zarathustra wrote:
Also guys were do I get the maps? I don't have any right now.
You don't have to get the maps, they are all on battle.net
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good luck, dude - i am cheering 4 u =)
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I think you definitely have a chance, even though it is quite slim.
Practice a bunch, but I think the hardest thing to understand is general game sense. That, like in BW, is something that you only learn through playing and watching games.
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I wouldn't worry about how you'll do. I'd suggest you to play & practice as hard as you can, go to the qualifiers and try your best. You have nothing to lose here pretty much.
Good luck!
ps. please, prove Pokebunny wrong. PLEASE!
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On September 01 2011 06:24 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 06:15 OscarN wrote:
c+ honestly is probly grandmasters league That's what people keep saying but it isn't true for everyone I'm probably the only c+ bw - diamond sc2 player
do u like never play sc2 or something? c+ is honestly super good in bw.
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BTW I'm not planing on REACHING GM level just defeating ONE GM Bolivian player. Just to clarify
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If you're focusing solely on this GM player you're going to get knocked out by the lower leaguers you underestimated. A few people mentioned just learning a cheese or all-in and mastering that build, but everyone you face can easily do the same to you. Can you learn how to handle every situation in just one week and perform better than people who may have been playing since release?
If you're coming fresh off of BW I assume you're going to have stronger macro and multi-tasking than most Sc2 players so playing to those strengths is your best bet. Never ever give in to temptation and go for an easy cheese win. Walking into a tournament with no "Plan B" is a guaranteed way to lose.
That said, I don't think you can pull it off. If it was that easy to bring yourself to such a high caliber in a single week we'd have a lot more people in the Sc2 scene right now. If you can prove me wrong then more power to you.
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Masters would be easy for you yes.
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From what I have seen, SC:BW skill does not directly translate into SC2 skill. I would expect that the advantage you have over new SC players is that your mechanics will be FAR better than most, but your decision making, timings, and game sense are going to be horrible until you know exactly how to react to everything.
IMO, you have very little chance at beating him. Someone who is in GM is probably consistantly good, and there are VERY few players who could even get past diamond in less than a week of practice.
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On September 01 2011 06:53 Bloodyscissors wrote:
If you're focusing solely on this GM player you're going to get knocked out by the lower leaguers you underestimated. A few people mentioned just learning a cheese or all-in and mastering that build, but everyone you face can easily do the same to you. Can you learn how to handle every situation in just one week and perform better than people who may have been playing since release?
If you're coming fresh off of BW I assume you're going to have stronger macro and multi-tasking than most Sc2 players so playing to those strengths is your best bet. Never ever give in to temptation and go for an easy cheese win. Walking into a tournament with no "Plan B" is a guaranteed way to lose.
That said, I don't think you can pull it off. If it was that easy to bring yourself to such a high caliber in a single week we'd have a lot more people in the Sc2 scene right now. If you can prove me wrong then more power to you.
Lol Im trying to get the skill to beat him in straight up game. Not just to take a win. I want to be better than him to be sure I will go to f}France. Thats means my level will be higher than those lower leaguers.
I think my mind set is the correct one. That been said the only thing that separates me from my goal is practice. The question is how much practice do I need? I hope 12 hours a day/7 days is enough.
Also does anybody know how to cap the framerate? I used RICHs advice to write "frameratecap=60" on variables.txt but it seems it's not working.
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On September 01 2011 07:24 00Zarathustra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 06:53 Bloodyscissors wrote:
If you're focusing solely on this GM player you're going to get knocked out by the lower leaguers you underestimated. A few people mentioned just learning a cheese or all-in and mastering that build, but everyone you face can easily do the same to you. Can you learn how to handle every situation in just one week and perform better than people who may have been playing since release?
If you're coming fresh off of BW I assume you're going to have stronger macro and multi-tasking than most Sc2 players so playing to those strengths is your best bet. Never ever give in to temptation and go for an easy cheese win. Walking into a tournament with no "Plan B" is a guaranteed way to lose.
That said, I don't think you can pull it off. If it was that easy to bring yourself to such a high caliber in a single week we'd have a lot more people in the Sc2 scene right now. If you can prove me wrong then more power to you. Lol Im trying to get the skill to beat him in straight up game. Not just to take a win. I want to be better than him to be sure I will go to f}France. Thats means my level will be higher than those lower leaguers. I think my mind set is the correct one. That been said the only thing that separates me from my goal is practice. The question is how much practice do I need? I hope 12 hours a day/7 days is enough. Also does anybody know how to cap the framerate? I used RICHs advice to write "frameratecap=60" on variables.txt but it seems it's not working.
I really don't think this is enough unless you have a GM'ish level players training you. There are SO many timings/builds that you need to be able to recognize. Maybe if youplay super safe every game you can take it to the lategame. Bunkers are pretty damn good.. But I would honestly be surprised if you even won a game
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C+ mechanics is easily grandmasters..but you'll need longer than 1 week. or you need to be playing like crazy for that 1 week
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If you were legit C+, it'll take you a bit longer than a week, but you will be able to within a similar time span. You just gotta get used to the new thinking in SC2, which is prefer different from BW.
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GM no. Metagame and timings take wayyyy longer to learn. I don't think you can get into GM on pure mechanics alone.
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I was C+ in brood war as well. No
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I think it's possible. Unlikely, but possible.
I haven't cracked "Masters" yet (I've never gotten higher than Diamond, although I used to practice with Masters players), but I do have a winning record vs Masters level players in tournament settings (something like 60%), and I have 2 wins vs GM players in tournament games (actually, they were top 200 since GM didn't exist, and neither were high on the lists, but still there), and some of my losses were still some pretty close, hard fought games. Neither of those wins were "cheesy" games either, and one of them was an ace game in a CSL match :D.
I wanted to play to the best of my abilities, so I could identify any flaws since I was pretty sure I would lose (in the CSL match, I had no idea that my opponent was top 200 until after I won, I only knew he was very high Masters). And my high rank in BW was C-. Plus, whenever I do try to "cheese", I seem to always botch it in some kind of dumb and embarrassing way.
You have better mechanics than me, which will go a long way. If you play and practice with a bunch of really good players, and specifically work on that specific matchup, I think you could manage to pull off an unexpected win. Winning a best of 3 or 5 will be a much taller order, but at least you should give it a shot!
All I can say is "Good Luck". Give it a shot, how well you do will be up to you and how much you want it.
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On September 01 2011 06:10 Pokebunny wrote:
On SC2 names aren't limited, there could be 50 Zarathustra's - you have to give your character code.
No, you definitely can't do it.
Somebody forgot what happened after 1 week of spritelove playing eh?
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It's impressive that you beat 4 masters players without even touching the game beforehand, but I think even though your macro will be up to snuff, it'll take a bit longer than a week to beat a GM. They're like your skill, except they play starcraft 2 and you play BW.
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Its doable only if he was worse at bw. C+ 'korean time' could be a scary good player, definitely top 200. One week? Probably terran only.
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SC2 Macro must seem like EZ mode with MBS and auto-mining eh?
Good luck with your goal, I reckon you can do it if you learn how to hold off cheeses and timing pushes and then just overpower opponent with BW C+ macro. Also, just 1/1/1 Protoss players. 
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I think you can easily get to masters in a week provided you were decent enough at BW. From my own experience playing this game on and off and having basically no idea what I'm doing (strategy what?), I found that having a strong grasp of mechanics is enough to get a guy like me into masters without really anything else. Basic stuff like managing your economy, managing your army, crisis management, and so on is enough, really. All of the old carry-overs that guys like us beat into our skulls through hours upon hours climbing the ranks on iccup. It always boggles my mind to see guys in the lower leagues debating the minutiae of strategy down to a fine, distilled form when they could be winning more games in their league by knowing less but executing better. It's like "oh, I think that the current metagame was detrimental to my current playstyle" when it should be "no dude, you should just build more workers and scout better."
GM though... I dunno. Haven't played in GM myself so I don't know what the competition is like. I assume that your BW-hardened mechanics will need a good dose of strategic know-how to get by at that point.
Anyways, good luck.
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Try to play a heavy harass/multitask style if that's something you're strong at. Don't give him time to hit you with a timing you've never seen before because there are soso many of them.
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Coming off from C+ in brood war will only give you the mechanics and basic game knowledge necessary to reach masters without any practice. To play on high master / grandmaster level you need to understand SC2 as well as you understood BW. That will take more than a week of practice and I don't think over practicing will be effective. Of course, its possible to beat a GM player but the chances of that happening are basically the same as a C player hoping to beat a C+ player. Not impossible by any means, but the C player will lose majority of the games.
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The difference between a master league player and a grand master play is enormous. I wish you luck.
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You can probably do it with C+ skill.
C+ is higher than most SC2 players could ever dream to achieve, so you should still ahve vastly better mechanics than most master league players.
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I don't think a week is enough time... if you had a month and you put in 40+ hours a week into it then maybe. Best of luck though.
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C+? Niiiiice
dude D+ is diamond.
I am sure you can learn the game in a week (1 build for each matchup) coz i did and i was a D when i started.
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Ok guys, I'm currently playing Custom games to learn the basics of the game. I played 42 games today and Im going to sleep now. I will do a report tomorrow when I get back frm college.
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You will roll masters kids easly pretty fast, but GM no.
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