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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 23:50:20
August 27 2011 20:47 GMT
#1
Disclaimer: I'm angry at some companies that you may like. Sorry.



A while ago - I think it was even before Alienware was acquired by Dell - their full-sized PCs were absurdly overpriced, with mark ups sometimes greater than 100%. People would happily pay literally double the value of what they were buying because it came in a nice box.

At the time, I already built PCs for myself, friends and family. Even though I understood the notion of profit and had much respect for people who manage to successfully run businesses, I thought it was absolutely disgusting how much profit Alienware made on each unit they sold. I was always a gamer/geek so people would tell me about their brand new Alienware and I would facepalm - and I was a little bit jealous. I was a kid and my parents knew better than to buy a $3,500 box with shiny lights on it (remember when computers cost $1,500+?).

The situation has been getting progressively better, from my understanding, as their laptops are occasionally priced very decently, although most still show a 20-30% mark up. Unfortunately, their PCs are still grossly overpriced, and to make it worse, they've been offering an "overclocking service" where they would charge $200 for a modest overclock for a $1000 processor. The outrage! My nerd conscience can't take it. I could do this in 5 minutes and pop open prime 95 for the night. That's $2400 an hour! Why did I not crack into the overclocking business?

I'll concede something - I understand that people are willing to pay extra for aesthetics - it makes sense. It's a computer, it'll be there for everyone to see. Especially for laptops, if you're going to carry something around, hopefully it's not an ugly POS. I won't talk about this for too long because everyone has heard it a thousand times, but Apple has convinced casual users that they need to buy their overpriced computers by marketing them, basically, as jewelry. (AKA useless "look at me" junk).

However, what triggered this blog post for me is Razer's latest "innovation". Before I go on, let me say something: I like some departments or Razer. I currently own (as a backup) a Razer Imperator and I *love* my Razer Black Widow. Their mice and mechanical keyboards are good - I haven't had luck with their audio devices.

Here's my problem: the Razer Blade. (What a ridiculous, ridiculous name.) This computer is a pandemic of futility. For $2800, it packs roughly $1200 of hardware (disregarding the LCD screen) - the other $1600 seems to go in the (admittedly very nice, but not $1600 nice) design. The graphics card is pretty weak, the processor is a rather unimpressive and the 320gb hard drive is absolutely pitiful, you would expect a SSD at that pricepoint. Note that it's not released yet and the parts are still aging.

Oh and the "LCD Trackpad", what the hell? It reminds me of this garbage of a mouse designed for newbies, the Razer Naga which offloads functions that were perfectly fine where they used to be! Let me draw a parallel...

-The Razer Naga is a mouse for MMOs. While good players will use their keyboard hand to perform basically any ability, noobs will offload keyboard functions to the mouse which has plenty of extra buttons - this is bad because that mouse should be used for "aiming", basically.

-The LCD Trackpad offers a similarly bad "solution". Why would you want to LOOK DOWN at your keyboard, AWAY from your screen. It's just another cheesy, unnecessary addition to a device that would be better off without it.


I have a to confess, I'm a hypocrite. The damn thing is beautiful and I would want something like that for myself, but I could never justify it, even though I can afford it. I figure that these are for people who have too much money, people who's parents have too much money or people who don't know what they're doing.

In conclusion, the fact that Razer is marketing this as some kind of savior of PC gaming is absolutely ridiculous. A $2800 device can never save PC gaming - which doesn't need to be saved anyway.

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forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
August 27 2011 20:54 GMT
#2
If Alienware, Razer and other companies continue to support eSports I am willing to consider buying their stuff (within reasonable bounds and economy permitting) over other brands. On the very least I am inclined to give the large amounts of good will.

Food for though certainly..
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ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
August 27 2011 20:56 GMT
#3
No offense, but if you literally took the "PC gaming is not dead" phrase to heart, I feel bad for ya.
It screams fail because it wasn't dead to begin with lol.

I understand what you are saying - but to me I honestly believed it was a bit obvious or I wasn't expecting much..

PC building is a rite of passage =)
GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4
Note how the Razer Blade looks like a Macbook in terms of form factor....

The only thing I really like about it is how they position the trackpad. It makes sense to me.
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
August 27 2011 21:00 GMT
#5
They're pretty much reinforcing the stereotype that PC Gaming is dead. I see this product flopping like no other.

"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 21:01:58
August 27 2011 21:01 GMT
#6
On August 28 2011 05:56 ThePurist wrote:
No offense, but if you literally took the "PC gaming is not dead" phrase to heart, I feel bad for ya.
It screams fail because it wasn't dead to begin with lol.

I'm aware.

On August 28 2011 06:00 echO [W] wrote:
They're pretty much reinforcing the stereotype that PC Gaming is dead. I see this product flopping like no other.

That's why I made this post I guess. If it sells, I'll be disappointed in the humankind. Again.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
August 27 2011 21:01 GMT
#7
Well at least Razer isnt as bad of a company as Alienware...
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 27 2011 21:04 GMT
#8
There's no hope for people who are buying these computers already. To make it worse, on TL you are probably preaching to the choir.

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the name lol wtf get it it's a razer blade because it's just like the thing you use to shave which is a razor-blade hahaha
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
August 27 2011 21:07 GMT
#9
When I first discovered Razer, I think I told my friend "so how long until they make a Razer...Blade? LOlolololOLOL"

-________-


I've always built my own computers, for way cheaper than what I'd have paid if I got a prebuild. The worst part is, usually, when buying a "performance" modded PC from a manufacturer, they usually go OH HEY LOOK AT THE FANCY NEW GRAPHICS CARD WE PUT IN HERE!!! *sneaks off with a bunch of other useful stuff, like SSD, DVD drive*

They prune their other stuff so they make the same profit off of all their products. Dell is probably the least "bad" about this now, with Alienware being their "pay for the name" brand, most Dell PCs are reasonably priced, however...it's a Dell. Not really the Flagship PC out there, but they're good at what they do.



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ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
August 27 2011 21:23 GMT
#10
I just hate bloatware with a passion
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
August 27 2011 21:26 GMT
#11
Can you build a portable 17 inch laptop? I bet you can't. So I don't know why you're getting mad about a laptop.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
August 27 2011 21:30 GMT
#12
only noobs buy laptops for gaming, they are crap and the good ones cost a fortune.
just build your PCs yourself and grin at the cheap prices. especially in germany!
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
August 27 2011 21:32 GMT
#13
I am happy they do it this way, because they profit more from retards and make our prices most likely lower.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 21:37:27
August 27 2011 21:35 GMT
#14
On August 28 2011 06:26 T.O.P. wrote:
Can you build a portable 17 inch laptop? I bet you can't. So I don't know why you're getting mad about a laptop.

That's a wonderful argument. The logic is astounding. I can't build this laptop so it's perfectly fine to charge a ridiculous amount for it.

Do I look like a freaking manufacturer? Genius. Give me resources and I will, but don't ask me to build electronics and housing with a screwdriver.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
August 27 2011 21:36 GMT
#15
Apparently people who can't build portable 17 inch laptops aren't allowed to feel emotions >_< lolol
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 21:43:30
August 27 2011 21:42 GMT
#16
On August 28 2011 05:47 Djzapz wrote:


-The Razer Naga is a mouse for MMOs. While good players will use their keyboard hand to perform basically any ability, noobs will offload keyboard functions to the mouse which has plenty of extra buttons - this is bad because that mouse should be used for "aiming", basically.


I can agree with you about a big portion of what you said but not this. As you said it is a mouse for mmo's, and for example wow pvp requires A LOT of keybinds, eventually you might run out of comfortable keybinds even with shift modifiers and such. Having played a healer in wow arena i can imagine the mouse buttons being very useful for target macros and such, easy to reach buttons which will decrease need to drag your mouse pointer across your ui.
That being said i havnt actually used it myself, but it kinda fills a purpose for those who needs it.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 21:47:50
August 27 2011 21:44 GMT
#17
Why are we paying 10x as much for diamonds than we should?

It's because companies have monopolies over it, and it's the same with other markets. Regardless of who you are, you will try and maximize your profits, and therefore, they make mutual agreements between each other to make the most money.

On that note though, HP was making $40 per computer (so I read)... And if it's true, they aren't overcharging nearly as much as you say. In the case of something like Alienware or Razer, you are paying for the shininess rather than for practicality and performance. Much like buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

Edit: Smarter people will pay less. For example, I bought a beautiful Toshiba laptop for $480 dollars. i3 2100, 6GB ram, 750GB HD, great warranty. As for my PC I built, $1100 dollars for a i7 2600k + GTX 570 with very quality parts.
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Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
August 27 2011 21:52 GMT
#18
It's not a ridiculous amount. I don't understand people who think a product is worth the sum of its components. It's called supply and demand, not supply and supply.

A 17 in macbook pro is around 2500. If they got rid of the weird LCD thing and sold it for a couple hundred less, it would be a nice macbook pro competitor. It's actually thinner than the macbook pro iirc and is running Windows which is bound to appeal to some people.

Admittedly, I wouldn't buy one because I don't see the point in 17in laptops. I like the 15 in macbook pro though. Even though I could buy a laptop with about the same power for nearly 1000 less, I would rather have the macbook pro, for the same reason I would rather have a BMW than a Honda. (Ironically, I drive a Honda and have a plastic Dell laptop.)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 27 2011 21:57 GMT
#19
On August 28 2011 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Why are we paying 10x as much for diamonds than we should?

It's because companies have monopolies over it, and it's the same with other markets. Regardless of who you are, you will try and maximize your profits, and therefore, they make mutual agreements between each other to make the most money.

On that note though, HP was making $40 per computer (so I read)... And if it's true, they aren't overcharging nearly as much as you say. In the case of something like Alienware or Razer, you are paying for the shininess rather than for practicality and performance. Much like buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

Edit: Smarter people will pay less. For example, I bought a beautiful Toshiba laptop for $480 dollars. i3 2100, 6GB ram, 750GB HD, great warranty. As for my PC I built, $1100 dollars for a i7 2600k + GTX 570 with very quality parts.


That's what smart consumers do.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
August 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#20
On August 28 2011 06:35 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 06:26 T.O.P. wrote:
Can you build a portable 17 inch laptop? I bet you can't. So I don't know why you're getting mad about a laptop.

That's a wonderful argument. The logic is astounding. I can't build this laptop so it's perfectly fine to charge a ridiculous amount for it.

Do I look like a freaking manufacturer? Genius. Give me resources and I will, but don't ask me to build electronics and housing with a screwdriver.

They don't charge a ridiculous amount. You can't just take the cost of the parts and add it up. What about Research and Development? Support? Marketing? PC Manufacturers aren't making any money and that's why HP is quitting on it.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
August 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#21
On August 28 2011 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Why are we paying 10x as much for diamonds than we should?

It's because companies have monopolies over it, and it's the same with other markets. Regardless of who you are, you will try and maximize your profits, and therefore, they make mutual agreements between each other to make the most money.

On that note though, HP was making $40 per computer (so I read)... And if it's true, they aren't overcharging nearly as much as you say. In the case of something like Alienware or Razer, you are paying for the shininess rather than for practicality and performance. Much like buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

^Agreed, OP and other people who are angry at new tech need to see the Blade not as a tool for gaming, but for what it is: a luxury item. There are watches that cost tens of thousands of dollars, but it's not like people buy them to tell what time it is.

At least when gamers buy ridiculously expensive rigs (and who's to say how they should spend their disposable income?), they have a shiny new gadget and it runs games pretty well. Better to splurge on the hobby you love than say, gourmet meals or fashion items indistinguishable from imitation knockoffs.

Another thing, companies have to recoup R&D costs. Maybe they could have developed something better, but that doesn't change the fact that many people have already been paid for coming up with this thing.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 22:13:55
August 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#22
On August 28 2011 06:42 Azuroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 05:47 Djzapz wrote:


-The Razer Naga is a mouse for MMOs. While good players will use their keyboard hand to perform basically any ability, noobs will offload keyboard functions to the mouse which has plenty of extra buttons - this is bad because that mouse should be used for "aiming", basically.


I can agree with you about a big portion of what you said but not this. As you said it is a mouse for mmo's, and for example wow pvp requires A LOT of keybinds, eventually you might run out of comfortable keybinds even with shift modifiers and such. Having played a healer in wow arena i can imagine the mouse buttons being very useful for target macros and such, easy to reach buttons which will decrease need to drag your mouse pointer across your ui.
That being said i havnt actually used it myself, but it kinda fills a purpose for those who needs it.

I used to play WoW arena at a fairly high level (6 times Gladiator over seasons 1 to 4 on Warrior and Warlock). I also played a Druid though not very much. I have medium-sized hands but I've never come close to running out of keys with numbers 1 to 0, shift-1 to shift-6 and ctrl-1 to ctrl-6 on top of all the letters that are easy to reach. Unless things changed dramatically (and as far as I can tell they haven't), the keyboard is more than enough.

On August 28 2011 06:52 Enervate wrote:
It's not a ridiculous amount. I don't understand people who think a product is worth the sum of its components. It's called supply and demand, not supply and supply.

I understand your point - it's true, the value of a product isn't the sum of its components. It's still overpriced for what it is. They might have well charge $3200. Maybe I'm completely wrong and Razer is actually doing good business, but I think they're misreading the situation of mobile gaming pretty badly.


On August 28 2011 06:58 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 06:35 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 06:26 T.O.P. wrote:
Can you build a portable 17 inch laptop? I bet you can't. So I don't know why you're getting mad about a laptop.

That's a wonderful argument. The logic is astounding. I can't build this laptop so it's perfectly fine to charge a ridiculous amount for it.

Do I look like a freaking manufacturer? Genius. Give me resources and I will, but don't ask me to build electronics and housing with a screwdriver.

They don't charge a ridiculous amount. You can't just take the cost of the parts and add it up. What about Research and Development? Support? Marketing? PC Manufacturers aren't making any money and that's why HP is quitting on it.

R&D? Clearly other companies have been able to do it more efficiently.
Support? Clearly other companies have been able to do it more efficiently.
Marketing? Some graphic design and a website, etc. Sure.

People have a choice here. If they're willing to pay for Razer's inability to design something trivial for cheap, then they can do that. I can look at the laptop and say that it's price is not justified. It's really not.

Companies who survive these days are the ones who are able to cut costs decently well. The gaming laptop market is saturated. Razer will merely establish a niche for a very limited amount of people. Mom and pops shops are dying out. Luckily, Razer has other products
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AzTec
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada178 Posts
August 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#23
Not everyone has the time or interest to learn as much about computers as you. I guarantee there's fields that you're not an expert in and you probably get ripped off there in the same way.

People don't buy Macs because they use them as an accessory (although that does happen) but because they're simple. They go on the Mac website or walk into a Mac store and if they want a laptop they have like 3 options. It's incredibly easy and stress free. If you don't know a lot about computers then shopping for one can be hell. People are willing to pay a premium if it means they don't have to spend hours / days / weeks researching, learning, and shopping for something.

It's the same case with Alienware except it's targeted at the computer illiterate gamer which may seem like an oxymoron at first but with the rising acceptance of gaming has become a serious demographic.

In these cases people are paying for convenience which is a perfectly reasonable thing. In fact it's not just the uninitiated who buy this sort of product. I don't see how anyone who knows so much about computers isn't aware of how much of a massive time sink learning about and building them is.

If I wanted to build a PC tomorrow it would probably take a couple weeks of all my free time to do so. At least if I wanted to do it well that is. Which basically consists of absolutely ridiculous amounts of cross referencing specs, prices, reviews, and so on for each individual piece of hardware. The result is I save a lot of money but the price is I spent a lot of time doing so. Sometimes it evens out if you enjoy doing it but other times after I've stared at benchmarks for 6 hours straight I wonder if it's really worth it. If I had the money I could totally see myself just buying an Alienware.

At this point in my life it's worth my time for all the money I save but later on I could likely see myself with a bit more money and a lot less time, in which case my time would be worth more than the money I'd save building a PC myself.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 22:36:25
August 27 2011 22:35 GMT
#24
Well Aztec, if you were ever to consider buying an Alienware simply because you don't want to spend the time building the PC (which is completely reasonable), might as well use sites like "ibuypower" that don't charge nearly as much. Even computer illiterates can use it pretty easily and they don't waste quite as much money.

There are easy alternatives.

Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
August 27 2011 22:53 GMT
#25
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
August 27 2011 22:53 GMT
#26
I agree with nearly everything you said except for the razor naga mouse, when you're playing wow you don't want to search for ANY buttons, I used to use asdfgrt1234+ctrl+alt (modifiers)+my 6 mouse buttons on my steelseries and I used most of them in every fight. It can really help. But as far as the overpriced computers I can understand where you're coming from it's rather infuriating how much profit they make off of hardware just because it comes in a pretty case/
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 23:02:31
August 27 2011 22:59 GMT
#27
On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."

Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."

On August 28 2011 07:53 Dacendoran wrote:
I agree with nearly everything you said except for the razor naga mouse, when you're playing wow you don't want to search for ANY buttons, I used to use asdfgrt1234+ctrl+alt (modifiers)+my 6 mouse buttons on my steelseries and I used most of them in every fight. It can really help. But as far as the overpriced computers I can understand where you're coming from it's rather infuriating how much profit they make off of hardware just because it comes in a pretty case/

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. IMO, a better player would be able to do it all with his keyboard. Offloading to the mouse can help but it's sub-optimal. Like calling down extra supply with your orbital command, it may be better than being supply blocked, but if everything went perfectly you wouldn't have to use it and you'd be better off.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
August 27 2011 23:09 GMT
#28
On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."

Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."

"I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 27 2011 23:16 GMT
#29
On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."

Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."

"I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."

Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!!

1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated.
2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it.
3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What?

I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
August 27 2011 23:25 GMT
#30
On August 28 2011 08:16 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."

Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."

"I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."

Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!!

1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated.
2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it.
3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What?

I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars.

I press the button and it won't turn on. What do I do?
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 23:39:40
August 27 2011 23:38 GMT
#31
On August 28 2011 08:25 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 08:16 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."

Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."

"I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."

Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!!

1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated.
2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it.
3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What?

I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars.

I press the button and it won't turn on. What do I do?

The problem is, you're starting to ask questions that maybe your average computer user may need help on, but your average PC Gamer may NOT.

I would venture to guess that the average PC Gamer can diagnose, and solve the problem for himself. The question is, is it worth Razer's money to try and come into a crowded field where the number of people who are willing to pay for such a laptop is already limited. I would venture to say no.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 27 2011 23:39 GMT
#32
On August 28 2011 08:25 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 08:16 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)

"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.

Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."

Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."

"I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."

Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!!

1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated.
2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it.
3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What?

I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars.

I press the button and it won't turn on. What do I do?

You have a few options, I could pull the cookie cutter flowchart for noobs but I'll just assume you don't want to touch it at all.

1- Contact a friend/family member who knows things.
If not available: Contact the manufacturer of the PC. They'll help you even if they don't overcharge you (crazy)

2- Google

3- Bring it to a PC shop, it won't run you $200. If something blew up, it's still under warranty.

Note: Most likely it's not related to your overclock if you're on a modern platform
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
August 28 2011 00:05 GMT
#33
About overclocking:

If you know what the word means, you already probably know how to do it, if not Google is your friend.
If you don't know what it means, you probably don't need it.

I don't know how you can get into an argument about something like that, lol.

Firepaw292
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada126 Posts
August 28 2011 00:30 GMT
#34
This laptop was actually insulting to me. If they really care about PC gaming and PC gamers, charge us a reasonable price?
KillaRM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 01:17:42
August 28 2011 01:17 GMT
#35
On August 28 2011 09:30 Firepaw292 wrote:
This laptop was actually insulting to me. If they really care about PC gaming and PC gamers, charge us a reasonable price?

I agree with this 100%. Even the Alienware m17x is $1200 cheaper and its actually better. They tried to hard to make it look "cool" and sleek but its just a bad horribly overpriced laptop. I own some of razors products and love them but this is just to much.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 17:40:32
August 28 2011 17:06 GMT
#36
On August 28 2011 09:30 Firepaw292 wrote:
This laptop was actually insulting to me. If they really care about PC gaming and PC gamers, charge us a reasonable price?

Well their "for gamers by gamers" motto is pretty much an outright lie, but that's to be expected. I'm not so much insulted as I am sad for the suckers who will buy into it.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
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