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Why would he leave TL that pretty much made him who he is today? Great financial offer I guess? He knows he will lose some of his fans, he knows most of community doesn't like EG and most importantly, he knows what consenquences leaving TL/OGS house will have. Someone was saying the monetary offer was potentially life-chaging, well, I think that's sort of understandable then.
If that's true though, why would EG pay so much to get (keep) him? EG is known for running their things well business-wise, but I just don't see how such a big investment can pay for itself.
Overall this is very disappointing. I don't understand why would they hype buying a player (I know, they'll be also setting a house in Korea) so much. After the first day I was sure Huk wouldn't be going anywhere and there is some greater thing going on. Part of what made me believe this was the uncontrolled thread here. I thought that if it indeed meant something sad like HuK leaving TL for EG, mods would have closed it after seeing people slowly not taking the HuK thing seriously and starting having fun there.
I'm just sad at the moment. No offense to Sheth and HerO, but somehow I feel liquid team isn't what it used to be anymore 
  
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i agree. Only way to even the odds is for Tyler to start producing imho
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On August 17 2011 01:48 ondik wrote:I'm just sad at the moment. No offense to Sheth and HerO, but somehow I feel liquid team isn't what it used to be anymore
It felt this way for quite some time now.
Probably ever since Jinro stopped making it to the Code S semi final....
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1 star is what you deserve for not understanding how buisness works
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Idra is going to Korea, I wonder what will happen with him and his girlfriend??
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I can't wait to see how many of these blogs pop up today.
Oh and,
Someone was saying the monetary offer was potentially life-chaging, well, I think that's sort of understandable then.
Do you know who that someone was? Re-read the announcement. If Naz says it's potentially life-changing, then you have to believe that it really is an insurmountable number for Liquid to match.
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I support HuK and his decision. He was thinking about his life and the opportunity that EG offered him.. this obviously wasn't an easy decision for him. TL was his family, and now EG is his employer.
It's just the way it goes. He needs to think about himself, too.
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I expect EG to start printing out HuK's teamshirt as if it was money immediately if they haven't already started.
However, the Liquid team a year ago was pretty much a dream-team that was actually at its peak a year ago. Too bad they didn't really inject new talent into it when it was available. E.g. ThorZaIN would be a perfect fit for Liquid, and he was in a very small team until quite recently. One year ago, Liquid was actually actively scouting for talent. One year later, Liquid's activities have been much quieter.
It's all quite unfortunate though. I remain convinced that TLO had the potential to be a GSL superstar, if not every single damn thing went wrong for him and the possible fact that he lacked the mentality to do it. If anyone could be the BoxeR of SC2 and that person was a non-Korean, that man would have been TLO. Creative, entertaining, charming and he was absolutely brilliant at the game. Then he lost his health and his motivation and everything went down from there.
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This is such a good financial move for EG because of things like this
Think about it, probably 95% of posts in that past 2 hours have been about team EG, that's pretty good publicity
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I don't understand how your questions weren't answered in the relevant threads, or how this is enough to warrant a thread on its own rather than just a reply to one of the other topics.
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If the close to six-figure salary that was rumored on Reddit is true, then it's definitely life changing. Imagine that he had been making 6 figures for the past year. That would have instantly put him in the leagues of MC and Nestea in terms of overall earnings from SC2.
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On August 17 2011 01:49 Grampz wrote:
i agree. Only way to even the odds is for Tyler to start producing imho
Yes....that was originally the plan too. I really hope Tyler comes out of Huk's shadow in SC2 and reduce the impact of Huk leaving.
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On August 17 2011 01:48 ondik wrote:I'm just sad at the moment. No offense to Sheth and HerO, but somehow I feel liquid team isn't what it used to be anymore
All this really means is that you were not following anyone except HuK. You have no real interest in TL, for you it was just the team HuK was playing for.
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On August 17 2011 01:53 scDeluX wrote:
1 star is what you deserve for not understanding how buisness works
If I could give your post 1 star, then I would, because you obviously didn't read the OP. He is sad about huk leaving liquid, but understands huk's motivation (a "life-changing" offer) and EG's decision as a business. He also questions the amount of hype EG put into this, given that it would be a polarizing decision.
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On August 17 2011 02:00 HuK wrote:
happy bday
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If you are a fan of a player, why do you care about what team he is on?
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I really think fans that use this as a reason to dislike him are really out of touch with reality. Am I dissapointed? Hell yes. However, he has a life that he needs to live, and money is a big part of life. He even said he would be willing to stay with Liquid for much less money than other teams offered because of how fond he was of Liquid, but the offer EG made was just too good.
I am taking this opportunity to be happy for Huk. Congrats on the big new contract, and I hope you do well in EG!
I will still be a fan of Liquid. I will still be a fan of Huk. Hopefully this dissapointment will lead into bigger better things for SC2 and ESports in general. Huk fighting!
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On August 17 2011 02:03 Imrik wrote:
If you are a fan of a player, why do you care about what team he is on?
because you can be a fan of a player and a team, and its obviously better when theyre together than apart?
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I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever.
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Someone told me they offered HuK 60k salary 
Could be true, could be false. 
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I have mixed feelings about the whole thing as well. Obviously let down that liquid lost their star player, but happy that Huk is at least getting a good deal out it.
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I predict that Idra kills HuK. Simply because it appears that HuK is this happy-go-lucky person and Idra is gonna be like brooding in a corner and just snap one day.
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On August 17 2011 02:00 HuK wrote:
happy bday
=( Looks so weird without the TeamLiquid icon.
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its a business, huk is not going to play sc2 for the rest of his life, he needs to make as much as he can now, true it sucks be left TL but if you were in his place im sure you would have done the same. Its basically more money and he stays in code s in Korea, really a win-win for him.
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EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it.
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EG has the money that LIquid couldn't match. Huk really wanted to stay but the difference was too large.
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On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever.
Sorry but I guess you don't realize how much practice potential they have after Puma and Huk come to train at the EG house. Every matchup, in a team house environment along with Huk and his work ethic is going to propel EG to a new level. TL has picked up a damn good Protoss and an amazing manner Zerg. Huk was always a bad boy, EG suites him well.
On August 17 2011 02:13 vectorix108 wrote:
EG has the money that LIquid couldn't match. Huk really wanted to stay but the difference was too large.
Well that is basically what Scoots said in an interview, that he wants to support the best players in the scene, give the financial stability so they can actually do this for a living. I'm sure that is where all the teams want to go in the future. TL just might need to find a few more sponsors to get the ball rolling. I Love both teams.
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I want to hear Huk and Idra's opinioins not on the leaving TL part but on the joining up in Korea part.
Can you imagine breakfast in that house?
"I want to be the next [eater of cereal]"
"ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah [user was temp banned for this post]"
"Just so you know"
"Fuck off"
"You werent loss"
[Greg fields has left the table]
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TL wont be the same any more ;(
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money is nice. you'll learn about it when you start working minimum wage jobs and your parents arent helping ya out anymore. what huk did makes sense, this is his job he's not here to pansy foot around anymore.
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On August 17 2011 02:19 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever. Sorry but I guess you don't realize how much practice potential they have after Puma and Huk come to train at the EG house. Every matchup, in a team house environment along with Huk and his work ethic is going to propel EG to a new level. TL has picked up a damn good Protoss and an amazing manner Zerg. Huk was always a bad boy, EG suites him well. Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:13 vectorix108 wrote:
EG has the money that LIquid couldn't match. Huk really wanted to stay but the difference was too large. Well that is basically what Scoots said in an interview, that he wants to support the best players in the scene, give the financial stability so they can actually do this for a living. I'm sure that is where all the teams want to go in the future. TL just might need to find a few more sponsors to get the ball rolling. I Love both teams.
PuMa, Huk and IdrA are going to be training in Korea. How is that going to help their mediocre core?
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I kind of wish TL was able to get in bed with a lot of the major Korean sponsors for whenever they end up jumping ship to SC2. (Be it soon or in years) Liquid'Bisu would just make my day.
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Read the relevant threads and you'll see why he left...
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On August 17 2011 02:31 Malgrif wrote:
money is nice. you'll learn about it when you start working minimum wage jobs and your parents arent helping ya out anymore. what huk did makes sense, this is his job he's not here to pansy foot around anymore.
then you have to be an asshole and post the "sold out" picture in the SFW picture thread.
Classy.
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It's a great business move for both HuK and EG. Now all EG needs to do is either improve their core or clean house. Even incontrol has been terrible lately.
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Some people get way too emotionally invested in people they never interact with.
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On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever.
Liquid bought HuK from Millennium. It happens. Being a fan of a player is much better than being a fan of a business (team).
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On August 17 2011 03:07 Bibdy wrote:
Some people get way too emotionally invested in people they never interact with.
I do. I've never cared about anything this much tho :S I'm a hockey fan but I've never been this sad about my team losing a player or losing the playoffs. I can imagine real sports enthusiast being this upset about something equivalent. This is my hobby, liquid is my team, and i don't have a player.
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On August 17 2011 03:09 aclockworkballer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever. Liquid bought HuK from Millennium. It happens. Being a fan of a player is much better than being a fan of a business (team).
TL's team is more than just a business.
And HuK going from TL to another team isn't really what people are upset about.
Do you think anybody would be upset if he left for oGs or SlayerS or even FXO? Most of us would be happy for him, I know I would be wishing him all the best for one.
Don't you think there's a reason that guys that are generally super nice and mannered in basically every single situation say things like:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"I would sooner quit SC than join EG" (Jinro)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler)
I would be happy for HuK if he accepted any offer in the world (even to join a Dota 2 team ), but not this one.
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EG is the Real Madrid of Esports while TL is the Manchester United of Esports.
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We can only hope that Hero will take his place... still... why HuK? :/
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Many people underestimate the significance of this offer for HuK. If Nazgul says it's "life changing" this means that HuK has the chance to actually not only make a decent living off gaming for another year, but long-term instead, be it by earnings or savings. The added prestige and media presence may even help getting him a job after his career as a gamer is over.
99% of all users in this forum, if not 100%, would take the same opportunity if something similar would appear in their lives. Don't kid yourself. Just think about what this means for Chris, and think in longer terms than just a few months.
For EG, it probably has already paid off. So much media exposure from the hype alone makes the sponsors happy and thus EG as well. The returns HuK may net through tournament appearances, wins and spearheading the korean training house are huge and a brilliant publicity stunt from the team.
It's ok to be upset if you're a fan ... for like 15 minutes. Then reflect what this means for HuK, EG and how you would react in the same position.
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On August 17 2011 02:06 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:Someone told me they offered HuK 60k salary Could be true, could be false.
Canadian dollars I hope for HuKs sake.
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Meh. Kinda hate how EG always goes for established player but I understand the decision.
But at the same time, it's kinda cold towards the Machine, Axslav and Co. Isn't it like giving up on them and the progaming house since they are sending their best players to Korea.
Also why is there no farewell message from Ret and Tyler? I thought tyler was really close to HuK ( ok that's probably why)
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On August 17 2011 03:59 Shockk wrote:
It's ok to be upset if you're a fan ... for like 15 minutes. Then reflect what this means for HuK, EG and how you would react in the same position.
If you are a fan of TL, then it's okay to feel upset about the deal even after 15 minutes; it's natural. I'm happy for HuK to get an opportunity like this. It's like if Jordan had left the Bulls and you expect the fans of the team to be content with it like nothing happened. You can still be upset and understanding at the same time. Being upset in situations like this just means you realize how much HuK meant to a lot of people and what an asset he is to a team.
To me, I'm happy for HuK to get this opportunity but sad at same time as TL is my favorite team. This also is an end of a great rivalry that is HuK and IdrA. I also dislike the EG organization even before they picked up sc2 players, back in 1.6 times, so I'll just semi-root for HuK. Another positive from this is that IdrA is going to Korea, which I'm pretty excited about.
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On August 17 2011 01:58 CharlieBrownsc wrote:
This is such a good financial move for EG because of things like this
Think about it, probably 95% of posts in that past 2 hours have been about team EG, that's pretty good publicity
Yea, good publicity, sure. How will this make 10k, 50k or 100k for them? That's what I was asking in OP.
On August 17 2011 02:00 HuK wrote:
happy bday
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On August 17 2011 02:04 Gutrot wrote:
I am taking this opportunity to be happy for Huk. Congrats on the big new contract, and I hope you do well in EG!
I will still be a fan of Liquid. I will still be a fan of Huk. Hopefully this dissapointment will lead into bigger better things for SC2 and ESports in general. Huk fighting!
You are right, that's probably the right attitude. However, I'm more fan of TL than anything and I'm sure I wouldn't be so big of a fan of HuK if he hadn't joined liquid.
On August 17 2011 02:12 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it.
we both know how it is with english speaking training houses (=run by foreigners).
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On August 17 2011 05:13 ondik wrote:[ Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:12 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it. we both know how it is with english speaking training houses (=run by foreigners).
We do?
How is it?
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On August 17 2011 05:15 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:13 ondik wrote:[ On August 17 2011 02:12 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it. we both know how it is with english speaking training houses (=run by foreigners). We do? How is it?
It's not very effective.
On August 17 2011 01:59 Jinsho wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:48 ondik wrote:I'm just sad at the moment. No offense to Sheth and HerO, but somehow I feel liquid team isn't what it used to be anymore All this really means is that you were not following anyone except HuK. You have no real interest in TL, for you it was just the team HuK was playing for.
Rofl, a guy who's here for 5 months will tell me how small or big is my interest in TL. Don't you think that if it was the way you suggest, I wouldn't care at all about HuK changing a team?!
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TL didnt make huk. huk made huk. I don't think thats a valid argument, in the scheme of things he wasn't on TL for very long..
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On August 17 2011 06:37 Destro wrote:
TL didnt make huk. huk made huk. I don't think thats a valid argument, in the scheme of things he wasn't on TL for very long..
how can you even say such thing? Who sent him to Korea? Who was supporting him when everyone thought he wasn't even good for code A? The skill progress he made was only possible because he stayed in korean prohouse.
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On August 17 2011 06:37 Destro wrote:
TL didnt make huk. huk made huk. I don't think thats a valid argument, in the scheme of things he wasn't on TL for very long..
In the scheme of things, he was on TL for one year, and SC2 has been out for one year, so he's been pretty much on TL for the entirety of sc2's esport lifespan so far.
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On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler)
I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post.
It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident (here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG.
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Three quotes from players on the same team. Not even sourced. Yep, no bias there at all.
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On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG.
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[Edit]: I'm glad you appreciate the manner-ness of TL as we all do, but I don't see why such statements are "out of character." Especially Tyler's - I'm glad he's friends with Inc, but as tons of people have said, not liking a team is much different from not liking the individual members of that team. It's more beef with their management and whatnot. But given the fact that it is a sad issue for them, and the whole environment of TL as a family, it's understandable for TL members to have such thoughts.
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On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler +
That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened?
In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't.
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teams have rivalries, but youll note most of the players are friends or friendly.
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On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:09 aclockworkballer wrote:On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever. Liquid bought HuK from Millennium. It happens. Being a fan of a player is much better than being a fan of a business (team). TL's team is more than just a business. And HuK going from TL to another team isn't really what people are upset about. Do you think anybody would be upset if he left for oGs or SlayerS or even FXO? Most of us would be happy for him, I know I would be wishing him all the best for one. Don't you think there's a reason that guys that are generally super nice and mannered in basically every single situation say things like: "I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO) "I would sooner quit SC than join EG" (Jinro) "They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I would be happy for HuK if he accepted any offer in the world (even to join a Dota 2 team ), but not this one.
Wow, you're right.
It didn't occur to me that I would be fine if HuK left for almost any other team. But it just had to be EG. Meh.
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On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't.
TLO's statement is hyperbole, the point is not about killing himself, the point is that he feels very strongly that he'd never join EG.
I don't know where the attributed Tyler statement comes from - maybe sotg? But he definitely seems inclined to feel that way towards EG:
On July 23 2011 00:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:30 TheStonerer wrote:
I doubt they have been apologetic like Tyler said, since Garfield clearly said in Weapon of Choice that if he could do it differently he said no, he wouldn't.
On the point of having a player in his team being recruiting by another organization, that point was addressed as well in Weapon of Choice.
I have one question Tyler, did you listen/watch the episode? Just want to know if i should point you to it for answers on some points of your post. Yes of course I listened to it, but I also have listened to what AG and EG have said in public countless other times, and there have been countless lies and deceptions and mistruths. Perhaps I didn't point out how many points we have to distrust AG on in order to accept my read on the situations but that's a really tiresome process and people are just going to be split on siding with AG/EG if they're ignorant of their history of lies or siding with me if they trust me and/or aren't ignorant of their history of lies.
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On August 17 2011 09:11 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't. TLO's statement is hyperbole, the point is not about killing himself, the point is that he feels very strongly that he'd never join EG. I don't know where the attributed Tyler statement comes from - maybe sotg? But he definitely seems inclined to feel that way towards EG: Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On July 23 2011 00:30 TheStonerer wrote:
I doubt they have been apologetic like Tyler said, since Garfield clearly said in Weapon of Choice that if he could do it differently he said no, he wouldn't.
On the point of having a player in his team being recruiting by another organization, that point was addressed as well in Weapon of Choice.
I have one question Tyler, did you listen/watch the episode? Just want to know if i should point you to it for answers on some points of your post. Yes of course I listened to it, but I also have listened to what AG and EG have said in public countless other times, and there have been countless lies and deceptions and mistruths. Perhaps I didn't point out how many points we have to distrust AG on in order to accept my read on the situations but that's a really tiresome process and people are just going to be split on siding with AG/EG if they're ignorant of their history of lies or siding with me if they trust me and/or aren't ignorant of their history of lies.
Yeah, I can see that. When I first read the quotes unattributed and out of context, they read as though the 3 players were incredibly angry that this had happened and were being used to support that point of view. Instead, it seems like they were just responding to people asking if they were going to join EG.
I think Ret's tweet will balance that whole vibe out: "in all seriousness @lorangerchris has been a great teammate and friend. Best of luck to him and @EvilGeniuses in the future." -Source
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On August 17 2011 09:17 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 09:11 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't. TLO's statement is hyperbole, the point is not about killing himself, the point is that he feels very strongly that he'd never join EG. I don't know where the attributed Tyler statement comes from - maybe sotg? But he definitely seems inclined to feel that way towards EG: On July 23 2011 00:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On July 23 2011 00:30 TheStonerer wrote:
I doubt they have been apologetic like Tyler said, since Garfield clearly said in Weapon of Choice that if he could do it differently he said no, he wouldn't.
On the point of having a player in his team being recruiting by another organization, that point was addressed as well in Weapon of Choice.
I have one question Tyler, did you listen/watch the episode? Just want to know if i should point you to it for answers on some points of your post. Yes of course I listened to it, but I also have listened to what AG and EG have said in public countless other times, and there have been countless lies and deceptions and mistruths. Perhaps I didn't point out how many points we have to distrust AG on in order to accept my read on the situations but that's a really tiresome process and people are just going to be split on siding with AG/EG if they're ignorant of their history of lies or siding with me if they trust me and/or aren't ignorant of their history of lies. Yeah, I can see that. When I first read the quotes unattributed and out of context, they read as though the 3 players were incredibly angry that this had happened and were being used to support that point of view. Instead, it seems like they were just responding to people asking if they were going to join EG. I think Ret's tweet will balance that whole vibe out: "in all seriousness @lorangerchris has been a great teammate and friend. Best of luck to him and @EvilGeniuses in the future." - Source
Yup, TLO's tweet too: "I wish people would focus more on the incredible farewell and kindness @LorangerChris showed us... dont be angry at him, love him "
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On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't.
The images of TLO and Jinro's quotes were posted so many times I figured everybody who's been following the whole thing saw them at least at some point. Here's Tyler's:
On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I agree with Destiny.
I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=1269#25382
Now to put things in perspective, I don't think anyone believes that TLO would really kill himself before joining EG or that there's some profound hatred on a personal level at all. It's just a way to make a statement.
The fact that all 3 of them would say it, and the fact that even Nazgul said he was bitter about it and HuK implied Heosat was very upset with it implies that the relations here aren't really as simple as choosing a team that offered a better contract.
Overall, the whole TL vs EG thing isn't a team rivalry as much as a direct conflict of philosophies and principles. TL and EG represent two very different, almost opposing sides of e-sports.
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On August 17 2011 02:00 HuK wrote:
happy bday
so gm, like always
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On August 17 2011 01:56 ForJungSooYeon wrote:
Idra is going to Korea, I wonder what will happen with him and his girlfriend??
Dont worry, shes a groupie, will grab herself another pro ASAP
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do you understand that huk got an offer that was so large i dont think anyone would turn it down. HuK knows that he grew up with teamliquid and he will always remember that. but the truth is the reason pro gamers are pro gamers. are because they need to support themselves. and the reason that they play and try to get better. is because deals like this. Huk made an exellent choice. because of the life changeing offer eg gave him. i am for ever a huk fan. And guess what huk, "hahah i just played this guy on na battle.net called ergbob... after saying he loves me he goes "i dont deserve to play u" and leaves TT <3" its me ergROB i played you on ladder and i am a forever huk fan! everytime i see u in a tourny im rooting for you to win it man TT 
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