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DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 11 2011 05:17 GMT
#1
This is just me getting kinda mad. See I have this stream right, where I stream stuff. Simple enough eh? (I'm Canadian, why I use the "eh") And I figured, well shit I play video games, why not give them away too? Now I know most of those who watch me play StarCraft 2 already have StarCraft 2, so I figured I could run a little event. Beat like 3 games (that aren't StarCraft 2) and then by September 6th, if we have either enough views or followers on the stream, I'll give away 3 copies of Dead Island. Thats when the game comes out, so I figured it would be a really cool event.

The goal for the stream is either 750k views (which is in my opinion ridiculous, but I was told be my associates to aim big) or 1,500 followers, which I didn't think was too big of a number. I mean all you have to do to enter the contest is follow. It takes a person like 3 minutes to go to twitch.tv/zingking make an account for Justin.tv/Twitch.tv. I have chosen, even though not really in the rules, if we even get like a number close to 1/3 that we are looking for, I will totally still give away the games. I really just want to give away the games. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO WANT FREE STUFF!

There is still like 3 weeks to reach out number.... I mainly just wanna get a high enough viewers so I can start doing fundraisers on my stream and have enough people watching that it actually helps and makes a difference :D

Sorry I just needed to rant, luvs u guiz

DJ WILMA OUT


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I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 11 2011 05:24 GMT
#2
What do you normally stream?
you gotta dance
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 11 2011 05:27 GMT
#3
I used to stream nothing but StarCraft 2, but now I stream all video games :D
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 05:34:52
August 11 2011 05:30 GMT
#4
I would think that making sure you provide entertaining and somewhat unique content would also be important.

If you have several thousand regular/off and on viewers and you're just trying to get them to show their support, this could work, but if you only get scattered dozens you'll have a hard time...

Edit:

If this is you then I'd have to put you in the latter category. It's hard to build up hype for a give-away when you have only a few people watching you to start with.
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 05:40:42
August 11 2011 05:37 GMT
#5
Yeah its me, I figured a very simple contest would kinda go a lil viral

Plus most people need a big break to go from small to big, it rarely happens that you just get more viewers and more viewers the longer they stream. My buddy Lojiqaen, more then quadrupled his avg viewer base, because he had his dad playing StarCraft, Huk saw the reddit post and had a show match against him
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 11 2011 05:56 GMT
#6
people dont trust free stuff on the internets.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 06:10:44
August 11 2011 06:03 GMT
#7
@Sfydjklm

That I understand, but its not like I'm asking for much...a click of a button to follow someone, and if I don't pull through, another click to unfollow them, its not asking for anything you cant undo
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 11 2011 07:31 GMT
#8
Complaining that enough people aren't watching/subscribing is not the right way of going about promotion.
Hermasaurus
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
54 Posts
August 11 2011 07:42 GMT
#9
750,000 views? Who are you? I don't know you. Which means for the most part neither does anyone else. Announcing an unfulfilled statement to give away 3 video games a month from now to a stream with 34 followers and you expect it to go viral?

Let me point out a few problems here. You have 0 rapport with the community as whole. No one knows you and no one believes your word anymore than Bernie Madoff. You also make the statement that you don't acquire viewers by streaming more and more but only through "big streaks". It sounds like you would like to have a lot of people watching you but don't want to put in the hard work, rather just spend money giving away free stuff. I don't know where you came to the conclusion that streaming consistently doesn't get you more viewers but I can guarantee you that its much more effective than open ended promises to give stuff away.

If you truly want something, you have to work hard for it.
And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion. We've talked to ourselves. We've communicated and said 'You know what, lion tastes good, let's go get some more lion'
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 11 2011 08:40 GMT
#10
I think something that would help, would be finding something that will draw in lots of viewers, some kind of hook. For example, Mr. Bitters just started off as a Zerg who streamed his games, but then he started his 8 (or whatever amount) weeks with the Pros, and his viewership sky-rocketed. You need something that will make people want to watch YOU, as opposed to any other streamer.
you gotta dance
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
August 11 2011 08:41 GMT
#11
The problem lies with you I think and has nothing to do with your topic title. Giving some random three games away when you are not very well known is not something that will give you your desired number of viess/subscribers instantly. I mean, if you take a look at all the streams on the right, then you can see that you are competing with a lot of people for viewers.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 11 2011 08:49 GMT
#12
3 copies doesn't really have my interest. If the requirement for the give away is 1500 contestants. . . divided by 3.. my chances are better than playing the lotto but not enough that I'd watch a new stream.

At least that's my excuse. I don't know man.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
August 11 2011 12:05 GMT
#13
On August 11 2011 17:49 Probe1 wrote:
3 copies doesn't really have my interest. If the requirement for the give away is 1500 contestants. . . divided by 3.. my chances are better than playing the lotto but not enough that I'd watch a new stream.

At least that's my excuse. I don't know man.


I agree, it just doesnt seem too appealing even with a small viewership. You have to do something new that will get you the views, the fans and the zombies from the internet.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
August 11 2011 12:07 GMT
#14
Why do you want followers if they are going to be people who have never and probably wont ever watch your stream? People normally take followers as a representation of progress but if it is just people interested in a game what does it matter?
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 12:44:23
August 11 2011 12:41 GMT
#15
Albeit, it is kinda a long shot, but guess what, it has nothing to do with hard work. I am willing to put the time in, like my buddy Lojiqaen, for those of you who have heard of him, son of DadCraft, he only got a break cuz Huk just happened to be finishing up streaming for the night and had a show match with Dadcraft. That at least doubled his regular viewership. Most people said, well I'm glad Huk showed us you, your fun to watch. He streams everyday but it was only that break that got his hard work to show. There is virtually no way you can have a really really good stream and get popular without a whole bunch of luck.

Plus if you look at most streams there really isn't anything special about them, I'll give it, Destiny's can be amazing at times. And if your a pro in E-Sport you have the fan base, doesnt mean you have a unique stream or anything, but means you have a bunch of people who will tune into you because of who you are. But I really dont even wanna use these guys as examples because they are professional players. Its more about the fact I was watching this stream, a girl was playing Paper Mario, and have about 500 viewers watching. She didn't talk, she didn't have a video camera, she wasn't particularly good at the games shes played, but have a shit ton of viewers. Fuck there wasnt even proof that it was the girl playing, and yet she probably got this break down the line which got her a shit ton of viewers. That is all I'm hoping this can get me, I know I am aiming rather high with the numbers I am asking for. And I know that most of the people who enter the contest won't be consistent viewers, but I will have SOME of the who will tune into my stream, who will watch me play, and that's really what I'm hoping for, to get some people I can entertain.

PS. I'm extatic that we are up to 36 viewers followers now.
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 22:15:12
August 11 2011 22:14 GMT
#16
On August 11 2011 21:41 DJWilma wrote:
Albeit, it is kinda a long shot, but guess what, it has nothing to do with hard work. I am willing to put the time in, like my buddy Lojiqaen, for those of you who have heard of him, son of DadCraft, he only got a break cuz Huk just happened to be finishing up streaming for the night and had a show match with Dadcraft. That at least doubled his regular viewership. Most people said, well I'm glad Huk showed us you, your fun to watch. He streams everyday but it was only that break that got his hard work to show. There is virtually no way you can have a really really good stream and get popular without a whole bunch of luck.

Plus if you look at most streams there really isn't anything special about them, I'll give it, Destiny's can be amazing at times. And if your a pro in E-Sport you have the fan base, doesnt mean you have a unique stream or anything, but means you have a bunch of people who will tune into you because of who you are. But I really dont even wanna use these guys as examples because they are professional players. Its more about the fact I was watching this stream, a girl was playing Paper Mario, and have about 500 viewers watching. She didn't talk, she didn't have a video camera, she wasn't particularly good at the games shes played, but have a shit ton of viewers. Fuck there wasnt even proof that it was the girl playing, and yet she probably got this break down the line which got her a shit ton of viewers. That is all I'm hoping this can get me, I know I am aiming rather high with the numbers I am asking for. And I know that most of the people who enter the contest won't be consistent viewers, but I will have SOME of the who will tune into my stream, who will watch me play, and that's really what I'm hoping for, to get some people I can entertain.

PS. I'm extatic that we are up to 36 viewers followers now.


lol.

This sounds like a bunch of whine and bullshit.

Outside of guys who are top players, who are the popular streamers?

Day[9] busted his ass, and in return, he's become the face of Starcraft 2.

JP - State of the Game is, was, and always will be one of the most unique shows in the community. He plays at a decent level, but that's not even close to why people watch him. People watch him because of how he busted his ass networking and building relationships with people so that they would WANT to come be a part of what he does for the community.

DJWheat - No one in all of e-sports has put in as much time as this guy. He's worked his ass off since fucking pong. How is being a pillar in competitive gaming since before it even started even in the same ballpark as luck?

Destiny streams constantly, and supplements it with a wit and personality that is truly impossible to replicate. Still, no one would watch if it were just on for an hour a week. He's put in the time, and he's being rewarded for it.

iNcontroL (who I love btw, please don't take this the wrong way, Geoff) isn't a popluar figure in the community for his immense success as a player. He's popular because he's put in immense amounts of time and effort in working and promoting e-sports.

Do you want to know what every one of these guys has in common?

They've given back hundreds and thousand of hours of their lives to the community. In return for that, they get what literally amounts to the tiniest slice of popularity imaginable. Luck? lol, please.

You on the other hand have waltzed into these boards, cried about how no one wants to watch your show or receive your silly handouts, and then shat all over the people who have worked hardest to grow this fledgling industry.

Its disgusting, insulting, and pathetic.

gtfo.
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
August 11 2011 22:25 GMT
#17
This seriously just smells of a desperate advertisement thread for your stream and "contest". I agree wholeheartedly with MrBitter.
Hermasaurus
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
54 Posts
August 12 2011 03:58 GMT
#18
On August 11 2011 21:41 DJWilma wrote:
Albeit, it is kinda a long shot, but guess what, it has nothing to do with hard work. I am willing to put the time in, like my buddy Lojiqaen, for those of you who have heard of him, son of DadCraft, he only got a break cuz Huk just happened to be finishing up streaming for the night and had a show match with Dadcraft. That at least doubled his regular viewership. Most people said, well I'm glad Huk showed us you, your fun to watch. He streams everyday but it was only that break that got his hard work to show. There is virtually no way you can have a really really good stream and get popular without a whole bunch of luck.

Plus if you look at most streams there really isn't anything special about them, I'll give it, Destiny's can be amazing at times. And if your a pro in E-Sport you have the fan base, doesnt mean you have a unique stream or anything, but means you have a bunch of people who will tune into you because of who you are. But I really dont even wanna use these guys as examples because they are professional players. Its more about the fact I was watching this stream, a girl was playing Paper Mario, and have about 500 viewers watching. She didn't talk, she didn't have a video camera, she wasn't particularly good at the games shes played, but have a shit ton of viewers. Fuck there wasnt even proof that it was the girl playing, and yet she probably got this break down the line which got her a shit ton of viewers. That is all I'm hoping this can get me, I know I am aiming rather high with the numbers I am asking for. And I know that most of the people who enter the contest won't be consistent viewers, but I will have SOME of the who will tune into my stream, who will watch me play, and that's really what I'm hoping for, to get some people I can entertain.

PS. I'm extatic that we are up to 36 viewers followers now.


The thing is you have nothing to offer. Other than a few video games that you spent your parents money on.

You sound like some whiny trust fund kid who found his new "passion". You better buck up and work for what you want, because here, you aren't any more entitled than the next guy.
And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion. We've talked to ourselves. We've communicated and said 'You know what, lion tastes good, let's go get some more lion'
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 12 2011 06:33 GMT
#19

Outside of guys who are top players, who are the popular streamers?

Day[9] busted his ass, and in return, he's become the face of Starcraft 2.

JP - State of the Game is, was, and always will be one of the most unique shows in the community. He plays at a decent level, but that's not even close to why people watch him. People watch him because of how he busted his ass networking and building relationships with people so that they would WANT to come be a part of what he does for the community.

DJWheat - No one in all of e-sports has put in as much time as this guy. He's worked his ass off since fucking pong. How is being a pillar in competitive gaming since before it even started even in the same ballpark as luck?

Destiny streams constantly, and supplements it with a wit and personality that is truly impossible to replicate. Still, no one would watch if it were just on for an hour a week. He's put in the time, and he's being rewarded for it.

iNcontroL (who I love btw, please don't take this the wrong way, Geoff) isn't a popluar figure in the community for his immense success as a player. He's popular because he's put in immense amounts of time and effort in working and promoting e-sports.

Do you want to know what every one of these guys has in common?

They've given back hundreds and thousand of hours of their lives to the community. In return for that, they get what literally amounts to the tiniest slice of popularity imaginable. Luck? lol, please.

You on the other hand have waltzed into these boards, cried about how no one wants to watch your show or receive your silly handouts, and then shat all over the people who have worked hardest to grow this fledgling industry.

Its disgusting, insulting, and pathetic.

gtfo.


@ MrBitters
Sorry for my miscommunication, I was talking about non-starcraft 2 streamers getting popular. I fucking love Day[9], and he shows how hard work can pay off, but then again he was a pro player in BW, but still I'm not discrediting him, he has earned it. I was talking about those random people who some how get popular and just have a randomly large amount of viewers.

Like you ask what does the stream have, stepping away from those like day[9] and just looking at those who just play the game. Destiny and iNcontroL, they make watching StarCraft 2 much more interesting. They have great witty humor, speak their mind, its an all around really good stream. In fact I would go as far as to say that their streams help more then most for bringing interest to E-Sport. What I mean by this, ANYONE can sit down and enjoy Destiny's and iNcontroL's stream not even knowing a whole lot about StarCraft 2. It was actually Destiny that got me from the guy who plays StarCraft 2, to the fanatic fan, who watching streams daily, and always tunes into big event.

But if we look at those like MegumiXBear or whatever her name is. She has a fan base because.... shes a girl. That would be her big break that she needed, and she was born with that big break. I once casted one of her tournaments on my stream, with her permission, while she casted on her own, and she spent the entire time saying that the players were really bad, it was a gold-plat tournement, ofcourse they aren't going to play like pros, it wasn't funny, but kinda just mean, only reason she gets any viewers is cuz she had a web cam on herself. Not going to lie, shes cute, but still.

And then lets take my buddy Lojiqaen as another example (again). He streams everyday, probably around 6-10 hours a day. He holds viewer KOTH, he's had Huk on his stream, Rainbow came on with his friend, and he holds a tournement every week with a 25$ prize pool, he's no rich kid, and he would only want partener so he can make the tournements have a bigger prize pool to make the particapants earn more. All he does is stream it seems, and he still can't get a break enough to give him the viewer base he really deserves.

What I'm trying to say is when I said "it has nothing to do with hard work" I mean its more about getting the "big break" and less about hard work. I'm not trying to bash those who have worked really hard to get where they are, I am just frustrated that people can get a shit ton more viewers than those who spend day in, day out, working hard, trying to make it their life.

I wasn't trying to "shat all over the people who have worked hardest to grow this fledgling industry" but my anger was towards the situation was really less about myself but how Lojiqaen can't get a break, I was just ranting about this giveaway going badly because I really figured if I can get any viewer base, I can send them to him, as I do co-cast his tournaments with him, because he really deserves it.

I just fucking hate the "Paris Hiltons" of the streaming world, who really don't do anything special, don't really put the work that others do, but get stupid success. It's just so hard to climb the ladder of popularity.

BTW MrBitter, this was kinda a fan boy orgasm that you responded to my blog, much like the other guys who work so hard, you are one who has put in the hours to get where you are. I just wish those who are willing to do the same have no avenue to get the viewer-ship that they deserve. Quick question too, did you not have some big break that gave you the viewer base? I can imagine you were probably one (at some point) who put in the hours and was not understanding why your hard work wasn't paying off? Luv you man, even if you told me to "gtfo" ♥

The thing is you have nothing to offer. Other than a few video games that you spent your parents money on.

You sound like some whiny trust fund kid who found his new "passion". You better buck up and work for what you want, because here, you aren't any more entitled than the next guy.


@Hermasaurus
Really? I mean reading the response from MrBitters' than your's, it just makes you sound like such a derpy little person. You should really not assume someone's situation, its just a sign of immaturity. Try and be a little more educated with your responses (like MrBitters) and have a response that is worth reading ♥
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
August 12 2011 06:45 GMT
#20
I don't think its fair for you to throw Megumi under the bus, bro.

You might see "just a girl who gets viewers because she has boobs"

But the truth about her is that she's very well connected. She knows all the top players because she understands how to network herself, and she does it dilligently.

She also uses her own money every month to sponsor small tournaments that extremely strong players participate in. (Not for the money. For Megumi, because they know her and she knows them)

There's a fuckload of work that goes into getting your name out there, and you seem to be overlooking all of it.

You can't just say to yourself "Ah, I'm gonna stream today and tomorrow I will be famous. Yay!"

You have to do your homework. GO TO EVENTS. Meet important people and network yourself. Produce quality content thats NOT ABOUT YOU. Give back to the community, because without them you're absolutely nothing.

This isn't to say that being a cute chick doesn't help, but that's not exclusive to Starcraft, bro.

Men respond to women. Big fucking surprise.

Men also respond to other awesome men. Just ask this guy: https://twitter.com/#!/MusclesGlasses
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 12 2011 07:05 GMT
#21
On August 12 2011 15:45 MrBitter wrote:
I don't think its fair for you to throw Megumi under the bus, bro.

You might see "just a girl who gets viewers because she has boobs"

But the truth about her is that she's very well connected. She knows all the top players because she understands how to network herself, and she does it dilligently.

She also uses her own money every month to sponsor small tournaments that extremely strong players participate in. (Not for the money. For Megumi, because they know her and she knows them)

There's a fuckload of work that goes into getting your name out there, and you seem to be overlooking all of it.

You can't just say to yourself "Ah, I'm gonna stream today and tomorrow I will be famous. Yay!"

You have to do your homework. GO TO EVENTS. Meet important people and network yourself. Produce quality content thats NOT ABOUT YOU. Give back to the community, because without them you're absolutely nothing.

This isn't to say that being a cute chick doesn't help, but that's not exclusive to Starcraft, bro.

Men respond to women. Big fucking surprise.

Men also respond to other awesome men. Just ask this guy: https://twitter.com/#!/MusclesGlasses


You right, I shouldn't go bashing her, but you said it perfectly, she knows people. Thats another big break she got. Honestly though, if you are a good looking female in the gaming community, you can get instant fame, I don't think a single pro gamer, having a girl like Megumi come up to them would turn her away, just how it work, but thats life right :D

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't she be using the money that she makes as partner of Justin.tv for the tournament? I may be wrong on that point.

I do plan on going to events, unfortunately there are so few in Canada, so after watching MLG Dallas, I made the choice to go to either Providence or Raleigh, but traveling from Canada ain't cheap, and unfortunately unlike what Hermasaurus said, I really don't have the extra income, rent, tuition, ect, fucking expensive.

I originally on my stream, when I wasn't playing StarCraft 2 but playing something else, I would go for a low ball number, like 40-50 viewers while playing, and if we hit that number at any point we would give away a copy of the game I was playing. Almost got that number once, but never reached it. Without an outlet to get your stream known, no matter how much work your put into it, you wont get viewers.

But I know about the getting popular takes time, but this is where I keep going back to Lojiqaen, he puts so much work in and can't really get a big break. The kid really deserves it. I would definitely put all my ambitions aside to see this kid succeed.
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
August 12 2011 09:18 GMT
#22
Meh this is all just you feeling you/your friend are entitled to more viewers because... u stream a lot?

Like seriously I dont know how else to tell you exactly what everyone else is trying to tell you, even MrBitter himself.

Saying "HEY COME WATCH MY STREAM I GIVE AWAY FREE GAMES IF YOU WATCH" doesnt mean you have earned the right to demand a viewer base.

And then saying "Fine well my friend 'X' deserves a lot of viewers, cause i said so! so go watch his stream!"

Obviously neither of you have commited enough of anything to get a viewerbase or you would have one.

This is like trying to buy friends lol.

You are just confused by the fact that everyone on the internet isnt "ZOMG A FREE GAME I BETTER WATCH!!!" ??

Like seriously, we arent 5 years old, holding "prizes" over peoples heads doesnt make them want to watch anymore than before. Because they know its just a trick to try to get more viewers.

Maybe you should do something worth watching before feeling entitled to viewers.
Hermasaurus
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 09:53:12
August 12 2011 09:46 GMT
#23
On August 12 2011 16:05 DJWilma wrote:
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On August 12 2011 15:45 MrBitter wrote:
I don't think its fair for you to throw Megumi under the bus, bro.

You might see "just a girl who gets viewers because she has boobs"

But the truth about her is that she's very well connected. She knows all the top players because she understands how to network herself, and she does it dilligently.

She also uses her own money every month to sponsor small tournaments that extremely strong players participate in. (Not for the money. For Megumi, because they know her and she knows them)

There's a fuckload of work that goes into getting your name out there, and you seem to be overlooking all of it.

You can't just say to yourself "Ah, I'm gonna stream today and tomorrow I will be famous. Yay!"

You have to do your homework. GO TO EVENTS. Meet important people and network yourself. Produce quality content thats NOT ABOUT YOU. Give back to the community, because without them you're absolutely nothing.

This isn't to say that being a cute chick doesn't help, but that's not exclusive to Starcraft, bro.

Men respond to women. Big fucking surprise.

Men also respond to other awesome men. Just ask this guy: https://twitter.com/#!/MusclesGlasses


You right, I shouldn't go bashing her, but you said it perfectly, she knows people. Thats another big break she got. Honestly though, if you are a good looking female in the gaming community, you can get instant fame, I don't think a single pro gamer, having a girl like Megumi come up to them would turn her away, just how it work, but thats life right :D

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't she be using the money that she makes as partner of Justin.tv for the tournament? I may be wrong on that point.

I do plan on going to events, unfortunately there are so few in Canada, so after watching MLG Dallas, I made the choice to go to either Providence or Raleigh, but traveling from Canada ain't cheap, and unfortunately unlike what Hermasaurus said, I really don't have the extra income, rent, tuition, ect, fucking expensive.

I originally on my stream, when I wasn't playing StarCraft 2 but playing something else, I would go for a low ball number, like 40-50 viewers while playing, and if we hit that number at any point we would give away a copy of the game I was playing. Almost got that number once, but never reached it. Without an outlet to get your stream known, no matter how much work your put into it, you wont get viewers.

But I know about the getting popular takes time, but this is where I keep going back to Lojiqaen, he puts so much work in and can't really get a big break. The kid really deserves it. I would definitely put all my ambitions aside to see this kid succeed.


How is he meeting people a break? Quit playing this woe is me bullshit. You are just as capable as anyone else out there. You mentioned Destiny earlier, he didn't start out with thousands of viewers. Hell it took him months to get featured even after having thousands of viewers. But he got on everyday to run his bit. These people that you mention have viewers because in one way or another they earned them. Regardless of "breaks" or "luck", they earned them.

Mount up son. You want something, get fucking angry and fight for it.

On August 12 2011 15:33 DJWilma wrote:


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The thing is you have nothing to offer. Other than a few video games that you spent your parents money on.

You sound like some whiny trust fund kid who found his new "passion". You better buck up and work for what you want, because here, you aren't any more entitled than the next guy.


@Hermasaurus
Really? I mean reading the response from MrBitters' than your's, it just makes you sound like such a derpy little person. You should really not assume someone's situation, its just a sign of immaturity. Try and be a little more educated with your responses (like MrBitters) and have a response that is worth reading ♥


Actually if you look up quite a few posts before MrBitters original, you will see that I pointed out why you have no viewers. MrBitter only reiterated what I said with a bit more detail. But now we are back to the problem...You take MrBitters word for legitimate because of who he is, something that you want to be only you want it given to you.

You're a child. And only when you decide to work for what you want, will you understand what it is to have.
And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion. We've talked to ourselves. We've communicated and said 'You know what, lion tastes good, let's go get some more lion'
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 12 2011 17:36 GMT
#24
On August 12 2011 18:18 MaestroSC wrote:
Saying "HEY COME WATCH MY STREAM I GIVE AWAY FREE GAMES IF YOU WATCH" doesnt mean you have earned the right to demand a viewer base.


Oh I'm not denying the fact that I am giving away the free games to try and get more viewers, its usually why people with few viewers do so, and then when you do have the viewers already you get the money from being partner to be able to keep up the giving away.


And then saying "Fine well my friend 'X' deserves a lot of viewers, cause i said so! so go watch his stream!"

Obviously neither of you have commited enough of anything to get a viewerbase or you would have one.


See I disagree with you entirely, my "friend" has been streaming since before SC2, I'm pretty sure, but guess what, if you don't have some form of getting your stream out there, no one will ever go to it, even if it an amazing stream. I know I haven't been streaming very long, and that is why I'm doing this contest, amoung smaller ones I have tried to do before to get the viewership.

Like seriously, we arent 5 years old, holding "prizes" over peoples heads doesnt make them want to watch anymore than before. Because they know its just a trick to try to get more viewers.


LMFAO, one thing about business you might be forgetting, offering free stuff is one of the best ways to increase sales, and it should translate into free viewers too. Think about it, you are looking for a scented candle for your bathroom or something. There are so many on the market, and are basically the same, but one is willing to give you a plug in air freshener for free, you will 90% of the time go for the free one. I do get that this is the internet, so people aren't as trusting as they are IRL, but still free stuff really does work.

FOR EXAMPLE, KassemG's California On, has 1.6 Million views, but only 23k likes and 9k comments, where as SXEPhil (gets people to like and comment to get free stuff) on his newest viedo has only 251k views, but 41k likes, and 32k comments

You take MrBitters word for legitimate because of who he is, something that you want to be only you want it given to you.


@Hermasaurus
No I took his word legitimate because he had a good counter arguement, you responded like saying you can't run a mile because you weigh 400 lbs, when the guy might really have only 1 leg. If your going to make pot shots, know what your talking about and don't assume, plus sorry for the BM calling you a "derpy little person" it was uncalled for.


I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
Ipp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States456 Posts
August 12 2011 17:41 GMT
#25
Don't worry about viewer numbers, just do your thing. Once you get a dedicated group start networking. Get involved with the other gaming communities and get them to watch your stream. Make a Youtube, and post highlights of your stream there. etc.

If you try to buy your way to a high viewer count, you will get a lot of hate.
http://youtube.com/RageQuitTV
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#26
On August 13 2011 02:41 Ipp wrote:
Don't worry about viewer numbers, just do your thing. Once you get a dedicated group start networking. Get involved with the other gaming communities and get them to watch your stream. Make a Youtube, and post highlights of your stream there. etc.

If you try to buy your way to a high viewer count, you will get a lot of hate.


Holy shit, a positive comment :D lol. Yeah I'm still gunna hold this contest though, I really just wanna give stuff away. But I will hopefully figure out a way to incorporate my DJing into the stream too, that would be my goal :D
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
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