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This is just me getting kinda mad. See I have this stream right, where I stream stuff. Simple enough eh? (I'm Canadian, why I use the "eh") And I figured, well shit I play video games, why not give them away too? Now I know most of those who watch me play StarCraft 2 already have StarCraft 2, so I figured I could run a little event. Beat like 3 games (that aren't StarCraft 2) and then by September 6th, if we have either enough views or followers on the stream, I'll give away 3 copies of Dead Island. Thats when the game comes out, so I figured it would be a really cool event.
The goal for the stream is either 750k views (which is in my opinion ridiculous, but I was told be my associates to aim big) or 1,500 followers, which I didn't think was too big of a number. I mean all you have to do to enter the contest is follow. It takes a person like 3 minutes to go to twitch.tv/zingking make an account for Justin.tv/Twitch.tv. I have chosen, even though not really in the rules, if we even get like a number close to 1/3 that we are looking for, I will totally still give away the games. I really just want to give away the games. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO WANT FREE STUFF!
There is still like 3 weeks to reach out number.... I mainly just wanna get a high enough viewers so I can start doing fundraisers on my stream and have enough people watching that it actually helps and makes a difference :D
Sorry I just needed to rant, luvs u guiz
DJ WILMA OUT
 
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What do you normally stream?
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I used to stream nothing but StarCraft 2, but now I stream all video games :D
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I would think that making sure you provide entertaining and somewhat unique content would also be important.
If you have several thousand regular/off and on viewers and you're just trying to get them to show their support, this could work, but if you only get scattered dozens you'll have a hard time...
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If this is you then I'd have to put you in the latter category. It's hard to build up hype for a give-away when you have only a few people watching you to start with.
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Yeah its me, I figured a very simple contest would kinda go a lil viral
Plus most people need a big break to go from small to big, it rarely happens that you just get more viewers and more viewers the longer they stream. My buddy Lojiqaen, more then quadrupled his avg viewer base, because he had his dad playing StarCraft, Huk saw the reddit post and had a show match against him
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people dont trust free stuff on the internets.
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@Sfydjklm
That I understand, but its not like I'm asking for much...a click of a button to follow someone, and if I don't pull through, another click to unfollow them, its not asking for anything you cant undo
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Complaining that enough people aren't watching/subscribing is not the right way of going about promotion.
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750,000 views? Who are you? I don't know you. Which means for the most part neither does anyone else. Announcing an unfulfilled statement to give away 3 video games a month from now to a stream with 34 followers and you expect it to go viral?
Let me point out a few problems here. You have 0 rapport with the community as whole. No one knows you and no one believes your word anymore than Bernie Madoff. You also make the statement that you don't acquire viewers by streaming more and more but only through "big streaks". It sounds like you would like to have a lot of people watching you but don't want to put in the hard work, rather just spend money giving away free stuff. I don't know where you came to the conclusion that streaming consistently doesn't get you more viewers but I can guarantee you that its much more effective than open ended promises to give stuff away.
If you truly want something, you have to work hard for it.
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I think something that would help, would be finding something that will draw in lots of viewers, some kind of hook. For example, Mr. Bitters just started off as a Zerg who streamed his games, but then he started his 8 (or whatever amount) weeks with the Pros, and his viewership sky-rocketed. You need something that will make people want to watch YOU, as opposed to any other streamer.
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The problem lies with you I think and has nothing to do with your topic title. Giving some random three games away when you are not very well known is not something that will give you your desired number of viess/subscribers instantly. I mean, if you take a look at all the streams on the right, then you can see that you are competing with a lot of people for viewers. 
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3 copies doesn't really have my interest. If the requirement for the give away is 1500 contestants. . . divided by 3.. my chances are better than playing the lotto but not enough that I'd watch a new stream.
At least that's my excuse. I don't know man.
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On August 11 2011 17:49 Probe1 wrote:
3 copies doesn't really have my interest. If the requirement for the give away is 1500 contestants. . . divided by 3.. my chances are better than playing the lotto but not enough that I'd watch a new stream.
At least that's my excuse. I don't know man.
I agree, it just doesnt seem too appealing even with a small viewership. You have to do something new that will get you the views, the fans and the zombies from the internet.
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Why do you want followers if they are going to be people who have never and probably wont ever watch your stream? People normally take followers as a representation of progress but if it is just people interested in a game what does it matter?
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Albeit, it is kinda a long shot, but guess what, it has nothing to do with hard work. I am willing to put the time in, like my buddy Lojiqaen, for those of you who have heard of him, son of DadCraft, he only got a break cuz Huk just happened to be finishing up streaming for the night and had a show match with Dadcraft. That at least doubled his regular viewership. Most people said, well I'm glad Huk showed us you, your fun to watch. He streams everyday but it was only that break that got his hard work to show. There is virtually no way you can have a really really good stream and get popular without a whole bunch of luck.
Plus if you look at most streams there really isn't anything special about them, I'll give it, Destiny's can be amazing at times. And if your a pro in E-Sport you have the fan base, doesnt mean you have a unique stream or anything, but means you have a bunch of people who will tune into you because of who you are. But I really dont even wanna use these guys as examples because they are professional players. Its more about the fact I was watching this stream, a girl was playing Paper Mario, and have about 500 viewers watching. She didn't talk, she didn't have a video camera, she wasn't particularly good at the games shes played, but have a shit ton of viewers. Fuck there wasnt even proof that it was the girl playing, and yet she probably got this break down the line which got her a shit ton of viewers. That is all I'm hoping this can get me, I know I am aiming rather high with the numbers I am asking for. And I know that most of the people who enter the contest won't be consistent viewers, but I will have SOME of the who will tune into my stream, who will watch me play, and that's really what I'm hoping for, to get some people I can entertain.
PS. I'm extatic that we are up to 36 viewers followers now.
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On August 11 2011 21:41 DJWilma wrote:
Albeit, it is kinda a long shot, but guess what, it has nothing to do with hard work. I am willing to put the time in, like my buddy Lojiqaen, for those of you who have heard of him, son of DadCraft, he only got a break cuz Huk just happened to be finishing up streaming for the night and had a show match with Dadcraft. That at least doubled his regular viewership. Most people said, well I'm glad Huk showed us you, your fun to watch. He streams everyday but it was only that break that got his hard work to show. There is virtually no way you can have a really really good stream and get popular without a whole bunch of luck.
Plus if you look at most streams there really isn't anything special about them, I'll give it, Destiny's can be amazing at times. And if your a pro in E-Sport you have the fan base, doesnt mean you have a unique stream or anything, but means you have a bunch of people who will tune into you because of who you are. But I really dont even wanna use these guys as examples because they are professional players. Its more about the fact I was watching this stream, a girl was playing Paper Mario, and have about 500 viewers watching. She didn't talk, she didn't have a video camera, she wasn't particularly good at the games shes played, but have a shit ton of viewers. Fuck there wasnt even proof that it was the girl playing, and yet she probably got this break down the line which got her a shit ton of viewers. That is all I'm hoping this can get me, I know I am aiming rather high with the numbers I am asking for. And I know that most of the people who enter the contest won't be consistent viewers, but I will have SOME of the who will tune into my stream, who will watch me play, and that's really what I'm hoping for, to get some people I can entertain.
PS. I'm extatic that we are up to 36 viewers followers now.
lol.
This sounds like a bunch of whine and bullshit.
Outside of guys who are top players, who are the popular streamers?
Day[9] busted his ass, and in return, he's become the face of Starcraft 2.
JP - State of the Game is, was, and always will be one of the most unique shows in the community. He plays at a decent level, but that's not even close to why people watch him. People watch him because of how he busted his ass networking and building relationships with people so that they would WANT to come be a part of what he does for the community.
DJWheat - No one in all of e-sports has put in as much time as this guy. He's worked his ass off since fucking pong. How is being a pillar in competitive gaming since before it even started even in the same ballpark as luck?
Destiny streams constantly, and supplements it with a wit and personality that is truly impossible to replicate. Still, no one would watch if it were just on for an hour a week. He's put in the time, and he's being rewarded for it.
iNcontroL (who I love btw, please don't take this the wrong way, Geoff) isn't a popluar figure in the community for his immense success as a player. He's popular because he's put in immense amounts of time and effort in working and promoting e-sports.
Do you want to know what every one of these guys has in common?
They've given back hundreds and thousand of hours of their lives to the community. In return for that, they get what literally amounts to the tiniest slice of popularity imaginable. Luck? lol, please.
You on the other hand have waltzed into these boards, cried about how no one wants to watch your show or receive your silly handouts, and then shat all over the people who have worked hardest to grow this fledgling industry.
Its disgusting, insulting, and pathetic.
gtfo.
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This seriously just smells of a desperate advertisement thread for your stream and "contest". I agree wholeheartedly with MrBitter.
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On August 11 2011 21:41 DJWilma wrote:
Albeit, it is kinda a long shot, but guess what, it has nothing to do with hard work. I am willing to put the time in, like my buddy Lojiqaen, for those of you who have heard of him, son of DadCraft, he only got a break cuz Huk just happened to be finishing up streaming for the night and had a show match with Dadcraft. That at least doubled his regular viewership. Most people said, well I'm glad Huk showed us you, your fun to watch. He streams everyday but it was only that break that got his hard work to show. There is virtually no way you can have a really really good stream and get popular without a whole bunch of luck.
Plus if you look at most streams there really isn't anything special about them, I'll give it, Destiny's can be amazing at times. And if your a pro in E-Sport you have the fan base, doesnt mean you have a unique stream or anything, but means you have a bunch of people who will tune into you because of who you are. But I really dont even wanna use these guys as examples because they are professional players. Its more about the fact I was watching this stream, a girl was playing Paper Mario, and have about 500 viewers watching. She didn't talk, she didn't have a video camera, she wasn't particularly good at the games shes played, but have a shit ton of viewers. Fuck there wasnt even proof that it was the girl playing, and yet she probably got this break down the line which got her a shit ton of viewers. That is all I'm hoping this can get me, I know I am aiming rather high with the numbers I am asking for. And I know that most of the people who enter the contest won't be consistent viewers, but I will have SOME of the who will tune into my stream, who will watch me play, and that's really what I'm hoping for, to get some people I can entertain.
PS. I'm extatic that we are up to 36 viewers followers now.
The thing is you have nothing to offer. Other than a few video games that you spent your parents money on.
You sound like some whiny trust fund kid who found his new "passion". You better buck up and work for what you want, because here, you aren't any more entitled than the next guy.
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Outside of guys who are top players, who are the popular streamers?
Day[9] busted his ass, and in return, he's become the face of Starcraft 2.
JP - State of the Game is, was, and always will be one of the most unique shows in the community. He plays at a decent level, but that's not even close to why people watch him. People watch him because of how he busted his ass networking and building relationships with people so that they would WANT to come be a part of what he does for the community.
DJWheat - No one in all of e-sports has put in as much time as this guy. He's worked his ass off since fucking pong. How is being a pillar in competitive gaming since before it even started even in the same ballpark as luck?
Destiny streams constantly, and supplements it with a wit and personality that is truly impossible to replicate. Still, no one would watch if it were just on for an hour a week. He's put in the time, and he's being rewarded for it.
iNcontroL (who I love btw, please don't take this the wrong way, Geoff) isn't a popluar figure in the community for his immense success as a player. He's popular because he's put in immense amounts of time and effort in working and promoting e-sports.
Do you want to know what every one of these guys has in common?
They've given back hundreds and thousand of hours of their lives to the community. In return for that, they get what literally amounts to the tiniest slice of popularity imaginable. Luck? lol, please.
You on the other hand have waltzed into these boards, cried about how no one wants to watch your show or receive your silly handouts, and then shat all over the people who have worked hardest to grow this fledgling industry.
Its disgusting, insulting, and pathetic.
gtfo.
@ MrBitters
Sorry for my miscommunication, I was talking about non-starcraft 2 streamers getting popular. I fucking love Day[9], and he shows how hard work can pay off, but then again he was a pro player in BW, but still I'm not discrediting him, he has earned it. I was talking about those random people who some how get popular and just have a randomly large amount of viewers.
Like you ask what does the stream have, stepping away from those like day[9] and just looking at those who just play the game. Destiny and iNcontroL, they make watching StarCraft 2 much more interesting. They have great witty humor, speak their mind, its an all around really good stream. In fact I would go as far as to say that their streams help more then most for bringing interest to E-Sport. What I mean by this, ANYONE can sit down and enjoy Destiny's and iNcontroL's stream not even knowing a whole lot about StarCraft 2. It was actually Destiny that got me from the guy who plays StarCraft 2, to the fanatic fan, who watching streams daily, and always tunes into big event.
But if we look at those like MegumiXBear or whatever her name is. She has a fan base because.... shes a girl. That would be her big break that she needed, and she was born with that big break. I once casted one of her tournaments on my stream, with her permission, while she casted on her own, and she spent the entire time saying that the players were really bad, it was a gold-plat tournement, ofcourse they aren't going to play like pros, it wasn't funny, but kinda just mean, only reason she gets any viewers is cuz she had a web cam on herself. Not going to lie, shes cute, but still.
And then lets take my buddy Lojiqaen as another example (again). He streams everyday, probably around 6-10 hours a day. He holds viewer KOTH, he's had Huk on his stream, Rainbow came on with his friend, and he holds a tournement every week with a 25$ prize pool, he's no rich kid, and he would only want partener so he can make the tournements have a bigger prize pool to make the particapants earn more. All he does is stream it seems, and he still can't get a break enough to give him the viewer base he really deserves.
What I'm trying to say is when I said "it has nothing to do with hard work" I mean its more about getting the "big break" and less about hard work. I'm not trying to bash those who have worked really hard to get where they are, I am just frustrated that people can get a shit ton more viewers than those who spend day in, day out, working hard, trying to make it their life.
I wasn't trying to "shat all over the people who have worked hardest to grow this fledgling industry" but my anger was towards the situation was really less about myself but how Lojiqaen can't get a break, I was just ranting about this giveaway going badly because I really figured if I can get any viewer base, I can send them to him, as I do co-cast his tournaments with him, because he really deserves it.
I just fucking hate the "Paris Hiltons" of the streaming world, who really don't do anything special, don't really put the work that others do, but get stupid success. It's just so hard to climb the ladder of popularity.
BTW MrBitter, this was kinda a fan boy orgasm that you responded to my blog, much like the other guys who work so hard, you are one who has put in the hours to get where you are. I just wish those who are willing to do the same have no avenue to get the viewer-ship that they deserve. Quick question too, did you not have some big break that gave you the viewer base? I can imagine you were probably one (at some point) who put in the hours and was not understanding why your hard work wasn't paying off? Luv you man, even if you told me to "gtfo" ♥
The thing is you have nothing to offer. Other than a few video games that you spent your parents money on.
You sound like some whiny trust fund kid who found his new "passion". You better buck up and work for what you want, because here, you aren't any more entitled than the next guy.
@Hermasaurus
Really? I mean reading the response from MrBitters' than your's, it just makes you sound like such a derpy little person. You should really not assume someone's situation, its just a sign of immaturity. Try and be a little more educated with your responses (like MrBitters) and have a response that is worth reading ♥
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I don't think its fair for you to throw Megumi under the bus, bro.
You might see "just a girl who gets viewers because she has boobs"
But the truth about her is that she's very well connected. She knows all the top players because she understands how to network herself, and she does it dilligently.
She also uses her own money every month to sponsor small tournaments that extremely strong players participate in. (Not for the money. For Megumi, because they know her and she knows them)
There's a fuckload of work that goes into getting your name out there, and you seem to be overlooking all of it.
You can't just say to yourself "Ah, I'm gonna stream today and tomorrow I will be famous. Yay!"
You have to do your homework. GO TO EVENTS. Meet important people and network yourself. Produce quality content thats NOT ABOUT YOU. Give back to the community, because without them you're absolutely nothing.
This isn't to say that being a cute chick doesn't help, but that's not exclusive to Starcraft, bro.
Men respond to women. Big fucking surprise.
Men also respond to other awesome men. Just ask this guy: https://twitter.com/#!/MusclesGlasses
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