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On August 12 2011 15:45 MrBitter wrote:I don't think its fair for you to throw Megumi under the bus, bro. You might see "just a girl who gets viewers because she has boobs" But the truth about her is that she's very well connected. She knows all the top players because she understands how to network herself, and she does it dilligently. She also uses her own money every month to sponsor small tournaments that extremely strong players participate in. (Not for the money. For Megumi, because they know her and she knows them) There's a fuckload of work that goes into getting your name out there, and you seem to be overlooking all of it. You can't just say to yourself "Ah, I'm gonna stream today and tomorrow I will be famous. Yay!" You have to do your homework. GO TO EVENTS. Meet important people and network yourself. Produce quality content thats NOT ABOUT YOU. Give back to the community, because without them you're absolutely nothing. This isn't to say that being a cute chick doesn't help, but that's not exclusive to Starcraft, bro. Men respond to women. Big fucking surprise. Men also respond to other awesome men. Just ask this guy: https://twitter.com/#!/MusclesGlasses
You right, I shouldn't go bashing her, but you said it perfectly, she knows people. Thats another big break she got. Honestly though, if you are a good looking female in the gaming community, you can get instant fame, I don't think a single pro gamer, having a girl like Megumi come up to them would turn her away, just how it work, but thats life right :D
Well correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't she be using the money that she makes as partner of Justin.tv for the tournament? I may be wrong on that point.
I do plan on going to events, unfortunately there are so few in Canada, so after watching MLG Dallas, I made the choice to go to either Providence or Raleigh, but traveling from Canada ain't cheap, and unfortunately unlike what Hermasaurus said, I really don't have the extra income, rent, tuition, ect, fucking expensive.
I originally on my stream, when I wasn't playing StarCraft 2 but playing something else, I would go for a low ball number, like 40-50 viewers while playing, and if we hit that number at any point we would give away a copy of the game I was playing. Almost got that number once, but never reached it. Without an outlet to get your stream known, no matter how much work your put into it, you wont get viewers.
But I know about the getting popular takes time, but this is where I keep going back to Lojiqaen, he puts so much work in and can't really get a big break. The kid really deserves it. I would definitely put all my ambitions aside to see this kid succeed.
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Meh this is all just you feeling you/your friend are entitled to more viewers because... u stream a lot?
Like seriously I dont know how else to tell you exactly what everyone else is trying to tell you, even MrBitter himself.
Saying "HEY COME WATCH MY STREAM I GIVE AWAY FREE GAMES IF YOU WATCH" doesnt mean you have earned the right to demand a viewer base.
And then saying "Fine well my friend 'X' deserves a lot of viewers, cause i said so! so go watch his stream!"
Obviously neither of you have commited enough of anything to get a viewerbase or you would have one.
This is like trying to buy friends lol.
You are just confused by the fact that everyone on the internet isnt "ZOMG A FREE GAME I BETTER WATCH!!!" ??
Like seriously, we arent 5 years old, holding "prizes" over peoples heads doesnt make them want to watch anymore than before. Because they know its just a trick to try to get more viewers.
Maybe you should do something worth watching before feeling entitled to viewers.
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On August 12 2011 16:05 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:45 MrBitter wrote:I don't think its fair for you to throw Megumi under the bus, bro. You might see "just a girl who gets viewers because she has boobs" But the truth about her is that she's very well connected. She knows all the top players because she understands how to network herself, and she does it dilligently. She also uses her own money every month to sponsor small tournaments that extremely strong players participate in. (Not for the money. For Megumi, because they know her and she knows them) There's a fuckload of work that goes into getting your name out there, and you seem to be overlooking all of it. You can't just say to yourself "Ah, I'm gonna stream today and tomorrow I will be famous. Yay!" You have to do your homework. GO TO EVENTS. Meet important people and network yourself. Produce quality content thats NOT ABOUT YOU. Give back to the community, because without them you're absolutely nothing. This isn't to say that being a cute chick doesn't help, but that's not exclusive to Starcraft, bro. Men respond to women. Big fucking surprise. Men also respond to other awesome men. Just ask this guy: https://twitter.com/#!/MusclesGlasses You right, I shouldn't go bashing her, but you said it perfectly , she knows people. Thats another big break she got. Honestly though, if you are a good looking female in the gaming community, you can get instant fame, I don't think a single pro gamer, having a girl like Megumi come up to them would turn her away, just how it work, but thats life right :D Well correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't she be using the money that she makes as partner of Justin.tv for the tournament? I may be wrong on that point. I do plan on going to events, unfortunately there are so few in Canada, so after watching MLG Dallas, I made the choice to go to either Providence or Raleigh, but traveling from Canada ain't cheap, and unfortunately unlike what Hermasaurus said, I really don't have the extra income, rent, tuition, ect, fucking expensive. I originally on my stream, when I wasn't playing StarCraft 2 but playing something else, I would go for a low ball number, like 40-50 viewers while playing, and if we hit that number at any point we would give away a copy of the game I was playing. Almost got that number once, but never reached it. Without an outlet to get your stream known, no matter how much work your put into it, you wont get viewers. But I know about the getting popular takes time, but this is where I keep going back to Lojiqaen, he puts so much work in and can't really get a big break. The kid really deserves it. I would definitely put all my ambitions aside to see this kid succeed.
How is he meeting people a break? Quit playing this woe is me bullshit. You are just as capable as anyone else out there. You mentioned Destiny earlier, he didn't start out with thousands of viewers. Hell it took him months to get featured even after having thousands of viewers. But he got on everyday to run his bit. These people that you mention have viewers because in one way or another they earned them. Regardless of "breaks" or "luck", they earned them.
Mount up son. You want something, get fucking angry and fight for it.
On August 12 2011 15:33 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +The thing is you have nothing to offer. Other than a few video games that you spent your parents money on.
You sound like some whiny trust fund kid who found his new "passion". You better buck up and work for what you want, because here, you aren't any more entitled than the next guy. @Hermasaurus Really? I mean reading the response from MrBitters' than your's, it just makes you sound like such a derpy little person. You should really not assume someone's situation, its just a sign of immaturity. Try and be a little more educated with your responses (like MrBitters) and have a response that is worth reading ♥
Actually if you look up quite a few posts before MrBitters original, you will see that I pointed out why you have no viewers. MrBitter only reiterated what I said with a bit more detail. But now we are back to the problem...You take MrBitters word for legitimate because of who he is, something that you want to be only you want it given to you.
You're a child. And only when you decide to work for what you want, will you understand what it is to have.
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On August 12 2011 18:18 MaestroSC wrote:
Saying "HEY COME WATCH MY STREAM I GIVE AWAY FREE GAMES IF YOU WATCH" doesnt mean you have earned the right to demand a viewer base.
Oh I'm not denying the fact that I am giving away the free games to try and get more viewers, its usually why people with few viewers do so, and then when you do have the viewers already you get the money from being partner to be able to keep up the giving away.
And then saying "Fine well my friend 'X' deserves a lot of viewers, cause i said so! so go watch his stream!"
Obviously neither of you have commited enough of anything to get a viewerbase or you would have one.
See I disagree with you entirely, my "friend" has been streaming since before SC2, I'm pretty sure, but guess what, if you don't have some form of getting your stream out there, no one will ever go to it, even if it an amazing stream. I know I haven't been streaming very long, and that is why I'm doing this contest, amoung smaller ones I have tried to do before to get the viewership.
Like seriously, we arent 5 years old, holding "prizes" over peoples heads doesnt make them want to watch anymore than before. Because they know its just a trick to try to get more viewers.
LMFAO, one thing about business you might be forgetting, offering free stuff is one of the best ways to increase sales, and it should translate into free viewers too. Think about it, you are looking for a scented candle for your bathroom or something. There are so many on the market, and are basically the same, but one is willing to give you a plug in air freshener for free, you will 90% of the time go for the free one. I do get that this is the internet, so people aren't as trusting as they are IRL, but still free stuff really does work.
FOR EXAMPLE, KassemG's California On, has 1.6 Million views, but only 23k likes and 9k comments, where as SXEPhil (gets people to like and comment to get free stuff) on his newest viedo has only 251k views, but 41k likes, and 32k comments
You take MrBitters word for legitimate because of who he is, something that you want to be only you want it given to you.
@Hermasaurus
No I took his word legitimate because he had a good counter arguement, you responded like saying you can't run a mile because you weigh 400 lbs, when the guy might really have only 1 leg. If your going to make pot shots, know what your talking about and don't assume, plus sorry for the BM calling you a "derpy little person" it was uncalled for.
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Don't worry about viewer numbers, just do your thing. Once you get a dedicated group start networking. Get involved with the other gaming communities and get them to watch your stream. Make a Youtube, and post highlights of your stream there. etc.
If you try to buy your way to a high viewer count, you will get a lot of hate.
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On August 13 2011 02:41 Ipp wrote:
Don't worry about viewer numbers, just do your thing. Once you get a dedicated group start networking. Get involved with the other gaming communities and get them to watch your stream. Make a Youtube, and post highlights of your stream there. etc.
If you try to buy your way to a high viewer count, you will get a lot of hate.
Holy shit, a positive comment :D lol. Yeah I'm still gunna hold this contest though, I really just wanna give stuff away. But I will hopefully figure out a way to incorporate my DJing into the stream too, that would be my goal :D
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