[Q&A] Girls/Relationships - Page 7
Blogs > ILOVEKITTENS |
Primadog
United States4411 Posts
| ||
ILOVEKITTENS
Korea (South)112 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:02 Primadog wrote: | ||
ILOVEKITTENS
Korea (South)112 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:53 spacemonkey4eve wrote: This is such a good thread I decided to come out of lurk mode to post my own "dear auntie". So I've been dating this girl for a little over 2 months now. We're both Korean in the same line of professional work, and we got to know each other through a mutual acquaintance. We became very close quickly and I realized this is the girl I feel like I can share my life with (after searching for 2 years after my previous disappointing relationship). Long story short, I told her how I felt about her and we both agreed to take it slowly. The only thing that bothers me about her is her perspective on love and dating. Basically, she says she has never felt real love in her life. She had a previous relationship with her ex for 5 years, and she laid it out on me that she never felt real love for him, and instead felt like a sister to him. She did admit we haven't met long enough to know for sure whether she can love me or not, but this does raise some concern within me in regards to whether it'll bring havoc down the line. Part of the reason she said she has problems truly feeling love towards someone is her fear that once she commits to someone, she may find someone else down the line that she may fall head over heels for, and she can't break up with the current bf because of her sense of responsibility to him. I think this is why she keeps stopping me from thinking about things couple months from now, and often says we might not see each other then. Other than that, we have a great relationship and spend several nights a week together enjoying each others company. I'm just wondering if there's something (if anything) I can do to gradually help her realize that it's ok to commit herself to me for the long haul, and that she won't have to fear that she'll fall in love with someone else. Just to be clear, her definition of love is essentially "agape" and was never infatuated with me or her ex. She doesn't believe in the conventional lovey-dovey sense of love portrayed in the media. Sounds like she has some emotional/commitment issues. You don't want her to commit to you if she doesn't have romantic feelings for you. So your actual question should be, "How can I get this girl to like me so much that she agrees to date me?" This is pretty much what every man on earth wants to know at some point, but the answer is different for each girl and each man. I know nothing about you and nothing about her, so it's impossible for me to answer in anything but generalities. Show her you are reliable, keep spending quality time with her, try to engage in more romantic activities such as dates and dinners, treat her well, make her laugh. If there is something holding her back from commitment that isn't broken by your successful completion of all of those tasks in the next few weeks, she isn't worth the investment. You'd be better off finding a new girl who doesn't make you climb mountains and dive through hoops to get her affection. If I may venture a guess based on experience, her somewhat stand-offish nature is part of the attraction for you; everyone wants what they can't have. She put herself up on this pedestal in front of you, to put herself up on the same pedestal in YOUR mind. Women do this so that they are valued more, which makes you work harder for them, which makes you sacrifice more, which means your commitment to her is greater before you even date. They do this because it's like quality assurance, but sometimes if you act so desperate to have her by putting yourself through all this trouble for her, then you fail just the same, because no one wants a sappy dependent boyfriend. Just something to keep in mind. So, you are already thinking that you can marry this girl after knowing her for only 2 months and after having no romantic response from her. It seems like you are being a bit naive, perhaps mostly infatuated, and hold her up on a pedestal. I think you should look for love elsewhere, from someone who won't require so much work. | ||
Primadog
United States4411 Posts
You can't argue with math, but Jay-Z will disagree with that on a theoretical level... | ||
ILOVEKITTENS
Korea (South)112 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:43 Primadog wrote: You can't argue with math, but Jay-Z will disagree with that on a theoretical level... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoM5fLITfk Not all women are bitches. Bitches shouldn't be a problem, Jay-Z is right, because you shouldn't associate with or get hung up over them. Women are a completely different story. | ||
spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:34 ILOVEKITTENS wrote: Sounds like she has some emotional/commitment issues. You don't want her to commit to you if she doesn't have romantic feelings for you. So your actual question should be, "How can I get this girl to like me so much that she agrees to date me?" This is pretty much what every man on earth wants to know at some point, but the answer is different for each girl and each man. I know nothing about you and nothing about her, so it's impossible for me to answer in anything but generalities. Show her you are reliable, keep spending quality time with her, try to engage in more romantic activities such as dates and dinners, treat her well, make her laugh. If there is something holding her back from commitment that isn't broken by your successful completion of all of those tasks in the next few weeks, she isn't worth the investment. You'd be better off finding a new girl who doesn't make you climb mountains and dive through hoops to get her affection. If I may venture a guess based on experience, her somewhat stand-offish nature is part of the attraction for you; everyone wants what they can't have. She put herself up on this pedestal in front of you, to put herself up on the same pedestal in YOUR mind. Women do this so that they are valued more, which makes you work harder for them, which makes you sacrifice more, which means your commitment to her is greater before you even date. They do this because it's like quality assurance, but sometimes if you act so desperate to have her by putting yourself through all this trouble for her, then you fail just the same, because no one wants a sappy dependent boyfriend. Just something to keep in mind. So, you are already thinking that you can marry this girl after knowing her for only 2 months and after having no romantic response from her. It seems like you are being a bit naive, perhaps mostly infatuated, and hold her up on a pedestal. I think you should look for love elsewhere, from someone who won't require so much work. Thanks for all the above replies to my post. I think the first response by Servius was the most relatable to my current thought process. She's definitely not a cold lady who makes me jump through hoops to get her affection; in fact she and I have shared some awesome romantic moments together. She's thoughtful and considerate, and it's not that she doesn't withold her affection for me. In fact, if she had not told me about her stance on dating and love, I would never have thought she felt the way she does about dating. As you mention in your post, I realize I need to be a good reliable bf to make her realize its ok to stick with me for the long haul without any doubts, and that I am a guy she can truly feel love for. So I guess I"ll wait to see what happens after the honeymoon period is over and if she doesn't feel any certainty about our future, then maybe I should move on with my life. Oh I noticed I phrased the "share my life with" incorrectly. I have not really thought of marriage at all at this point; what I meant was I feel like she could be long term gf material whom I could be with. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 25 2011 09:56 Logginurkeyz wrote: Dear ILK- I have an intriguing / confusing / borderline moral dilemma on my hands! + Show Spoiler [TL;DR version] + ANYWAYS- point I'm gettin at here is, is it morally reprehensible to pursue my mother's boyfriend's daughter as a love interest? If they do end up married, she would be my step-sister and that would just seem really weird to me. On the other hand, I am clearly across the threshold for further pursuit if I so choose. Do I go for a relationship, or a friends-with-benefits kinda thing? Do you think that would be a terrible thing to do a girl? So yesterday was my mother's party for her 50th birthday. She got all kinds of neat shit, including a bag full of 50 of everything (super cool gift, imo)! She has been dating this guy for a while, and he has a quite attractive daughter my age. This is where the moral dilemma begins, but develops further... My mother pulled me aside before the party had even started and told me, 'please don't fight with [her] today.' Historically, this girl and I are water and oil- we have our moments, but we don't mix... The entire day I had my tryhard on, trying not to upset her in any way- which became easier as the day wore on. She had a particularly strong perfume on, and her hair looked really nice and really framed her face well. We chatted a bit about work- what the two of us do; how she is also in the automotive industry (I am a parts fabricator, she is a warranty admin); and what our commutes are like in the morning... Overall, a pleasant exchange. We go inside to the A/C and drink in the kitchen for a bit- all the while she is throwing absurd body language at me and tapping her feet against my leg on the ottoman between us. She goes down the hall, and my buddy comes into the kitchen, shaking his head. He imposes, "God damn, [my name]- just fuckin kiss her already... I see your eyes, you're in love with her." 'Historically, we haven't gotten along at all, dude. I'm just tryin to be pleasant.' "Bullshit, you're such a bad liar." 'So I'm the book, now, eh? Tell me narrator, what do you read of her?' "She is trying too hard to act uninterested. Man the fuck up!" Then she gets a phone call. Enter confusing / moral dilemma part... I overhear some of what she says, as we are sitting right next to each other- she is trying to give directions to the house. I ask her where the person is coming from, and I give directions which are relayed to the person on the phone. She hangs up and says, '[he] says he will probably be here in an hour.' I respond, "that your boyfriend?" 'Well, ummm...' 'I see...' This confused the shit out of me for a while, until I had observed their behavior together. When he arrived, she gave him one of those awkward half-hugs with one arm as she looked away from him towards the people at the party. This body language tells me she isn't exactly comfortable with him yet, or just something else which is way over my head. Move forward 2 hours or so- we (us young people) are all sitting around our own little circular table, drinking, playin cards. At this time, we are sitting in the following order around the table (apologies for this confusing diagram) :: [her] [her friend][me][my buddy]; so my buddy and her friend are on either side of her. I get up to get a beer, and they play musical chairs on me- at which point she has taken my seat... New order: [her friend] [her] [me] [my buddy]. So she moved such that she was sitting between her friend and me, rather than across the table from me. After a time, we move this party to inside where there is A/C. So here we sit, at the kitchen table (rectangular): [my buddy] [her] / [me] / [her friend] [her father] / [my mother] We are just drinking, having an unimportant conversation, and eventually decide to play Asshole (the card game). That game goes on until her friend decides to leave- then the rest of us chill in the A/C and drink some more. Her body language around her friend appears as though he is just a good friend she brought over to deter any kind of advances, but he is no longer at the party. I go outside to bask in the cool summer air and have a cigarette in my solitude. Door opens, she walks out, so much for cigarette by myself (she doesn't smoke, and it rather annoys her when it blows in her general direction- I apologized for my smoke blowing at her several times throughout the day). We sit at a table in the backyard, chat for a bit, then start wandering around the yard. Enter confusing / moral dilemma part 3: She takes my hand while we are walking around the yard, I slowly spin her as if we were dancing and yadda yadda yadda... We dance to absolutely no music for 10 minutes, at which point we end up making out in the backyard. Could have been a product of her drinking girly drinks all night, or maybe I finally managed to get her to warm up to me- either way, I was fuckin rollin with it! After this, we return to the frozen realm of the indoors where the A/C is set to like 65degF. People are leaving, I have to give my buddy a ride home, and she is gettin ready to leave as well... I walk her out to her car while my buddy and my brother are lallygagging (apparently, that's how you spell that word...) in the kitchen. I give her a hug and a confusingly passionate good-night kiss (I pretty much leaned on her into the car)... My buddy walks outside with his daughter and car-seat and ruins the moment by coming up to me and slappin me on the shoulder, "yeah, [my name]! bout damn time!" We all laugh, she smiles shyly and gets in her car and drives off... I let my buddy drive my vehicle to his place, then I drive home. As I walk into the house, I am greeted by my sister and her boyfriend informing me that I smell rather girly... Oh shit! I smell like her perfume! I chalk it up to bein with her all day, and try to dismiss it as nothing. Fast forward to this morning- my sister asks if my shirt still smells like [her] perfume. I didn't notice it while walking through my room, so I just said it didn't. I received no regretful text messages from her- only one that was asking me if she left something at my mother's house (I wasn't there to look, so I just told her to ask my mom). Apparently, she had left her camera there. What is it with women and losing cameras? I bought my mother a really nice camera for her birthday (with the 2 year black-tie full replacement warranty), because I expect these things to happen... ANYWAYS- point I'm gettin at here is, is it morally reprehensible to pursue my mother's boyfriend's daughter as a love interest? If they do end up married, she would be my step-sister and that would just seem really weird to me. On the other hand, I am clearly across the threshold for further pursuit if I so choose. Do I go for a relationship, or a friends-with-benefits kinda thing? Do you think that would be a terrible thing to do a girl? Judging by your vernacular, you seem to be from the American South. While we northerners do joke about your kind for inbreeding, I think we're actually far more liberal about relationships between family. I personally have nothing against the idea of a step-brother and step-sister being together because the chance of genetic inbreeding is no higher than that of your mom and your step-dad producing genetically inbred offspring. However the girl has a boyfriend, and I'd be concerned about the amount of criticism and prejudice you and the girl would receive in the sparsely populated south. Back off. On July 25 2011 06:13 ILOVEKITTENS wrote: As you said this question is very obtuse, and therefore it's impossible to give a concrete answer. Both of those are viable options in theory, but depending on the situation, one might be way more likely/productive than the other. In general, I feel that if your feelings are unrequited and the girl is aware of them, you are pretty screwed. It is uncomfortable for anyone to know that their friend is romantically interested in them - sometimes they might even think that is the entirety of the relationship in the other person's mind. This usually leads to awkwardness, assumption, and eventual dissolution of the friendship. There are and always will be exceptions, but I find this to be the case more often than not. If she wasn't interested in you until now, any change you make will only seem like you are doing it only to change her mind (which you are), and as romantic as that may seem, it comes off as desperate and thus distasteful. I suggest moving on in this case, there will be someone out there who appreciates you for who you are and you will not have to change yourself to make the relationship work. Sometimes, especially if you two are not that close yet, and the interest is not yet disclosed, you have a lot more leeway to change your approach and potentially be more successful. This is on a case-by-case basis, however. Yeah, it's just so hard to let go of people you think would've been really good matches for you. Thanks. | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + About five months ago, I broke up with my gf of 7 yrs with whom I was living in an apt in NYC. I then moved back to my hometown. I didn't talk to anyone the first month I was home because I was very upset and wanted to meditate on what went wrong with my relationship. 7 years is tough. But after I found peace with it and came out of my shell, I reached out to my best friends. They were happy to hear from me and my social life revived. One of these good friends--Let's call her Lana--was a funny, charming, and pretty girl I've known for exactly 7 years (I met her about the same time I started dating my ex-gf). She was 14 when I first met her and I was 19. Don't worry. It was nothing seedy. She's the cousin of my best friend (whom I've known since I was 5 years old). We have been good friends throughout the past 7 years. We played WoW together, talked on MSN frequently, and I always considered her the funny, cute cousin of my best friend. I never really considered her as a possible girlfriend though because I was really committed to my gf at the time. But everyone around me commented on how hot she was and were like" wow, hook me up!" Especially once she got a little older... Anyways, the first time I saw her after coming back from NY was lunch at a TGI Fridays. She came along with my best friend, her cousin who I'll call Danny, and Danny's girlfriend. So there were four of us in total. We hung out and had a good time. We got a douchy waiter who kept hitting on Lana as well, which pissed Danny off. We also somehow ended up talking about Lana's current boyfriend, who Danny hates. Danny kept talking trash about the guy, and Lana didn't really defend him, she just asked me what my opinion was. I had a passing familiarity with the guy and simply said, "Sometimes you want to have a certain baseline standard and work from there. Otherwise you can end up with a lot of not so great guys." She nodded her head and nothing more was said on the matter. About four days after that, she told me she broke up with her boyfriend. I asked her why and she said it was because my advice made a lot of sense. Two days after that she invited me out to lunch for sushi. I was wary at first because at this point in time I was adamant about not having a rebound. I was still a little broken up over the whole 7 yr thing. Also, my ex-gf had always said Lana had a thing for me, so I sort of got that vibe. But she sort of insisted and she'd gotten me to admit I was hungry in conversation about 5 min before asking me to lunch so it was hard to give her a good excuse no -_-. We went. We exchanged lots of funny stories. We had a good time. One of the line cooks at the restaurant knew her and gave us lots of free food. But as soon as she went to the bathroom he tried to grill me about my relationship with her. (Lana is pretty well-known in the part of the city I live in and a lot of guys have a thing for her. This isn't the first time I've gotten accosted just for hanging out with her). I told him I was a family friend. He gave me a can of green tea and shook my hand. Lana came back from the bathroom and invited the line cook to her birthday pool party in 3 weeks. Then we left. She asked me to go places with her about 3-4x after that. I turned her down each time because I got a sers dating vibe from her during that first lunch we had. I also started to worry what Danny would think. Danny is my fucking boy. We've known each other 21 years and we've gotten in maybe ONE minor spat throughout that entire time. I love that guy to death. Def the best guy friend I got. Problem is that Danny's pretty tight-lipped about his thoughts. He doesn't tell people what he's thinking, which is both a good and bad thing. In this case, it was bad. I want to know what he thinks, but at the same time, it'd be really presumptuous of me to start talking to him about it when Lana hasn't said anything concrete about liking me. At this point, it could very well be platonic and I'm the only one catching vapors. Anyhow, eventually she convinced me to go out again. Except this time it was a group activity. We had a "game night" at Danny's house. She invited 3 of her girl friends and we played Scattergories and Monopoly. Everyone had a LOT of fun, tons of laughs, goofing off, etc. Most of them drank. I abstained because I'm straight edge as hell. Everyone left around 4 am. The next day she told me on FB her friends LOVED me. I said "haha, they r cool too," and told her I had a great time. She arranged for a second game night for the next weekend. I went to that too. A totally different set of her girlfriends but still a lot of fun. After that night, she informed me her second set of friends loved me too. I got the feeling she was running the classic friend filter on me. At this point, I was still pretty sure I didn't want to date. First because I wanted to date a Taiwanese girl due to family pressure and she is not Taiwanese. I am. Second because she's Danny's cousin (they're super close though. practically brother and sister). Third because I wasn't sure I was ready to try again so soon after my big breakup. I was starting to really like hanging out with her though. She's a lot of fun. And everyone else seems to adore her. I told myself not to be a schmuck and let peer pressure influence me, but seriously, everyone seems to love her. She even has lesbos crushing on her. They come over and do her cousin's laundry just to get in good with her. Then she invited me to go kayaking with her. At this point, her cousin, who had recently broken up with HIS long-term gf too, had paired up with one of Lana's friends. So it was very much double-date-ish. I agreed to go because kayaking sounded like a lot of fun. Of course, the kayaks were split Danny and his new girl, Lana and me. We had a competition to see who would make it to the end of the river first. Danny and his girl won. Lana wanted to sit in the back of the kayak, and I am quite a bit stronger than her, so our kayak kept fishtailing and she ran us into trees full of wasps a couple times. After I almost got stung, I just jumped out of the kayak and insisted we switch places. All in all though, it was a really fun day. During the kayak trip, when it was just us two and we weren't crashing into trees, she asked me if I still had feelings for my ex. I said no. She asked me if I was interested in getting back into dating. I said no. I also said my family is really big on me dating a Taiwanese girl. We talked a bit about her ex as well and her other ex-bfs and she admitted that her bf had broken up with her during a heated argument, instead of the other way around. But that her bf then asked her back out half an hour later and she told him no. They'd apparently been having problems for a solid month before the breakup. In the end, I sort of confirmed to her that I wanted to stay single and she agreed that she too wanted to stay single and loved the single life. Since then, I've started to thaw though. We go out alone a LOT. Like 2-3x a week. She works five days a week so she only gets two days off. We've hung out every one of those weekends except one. I didn't call her that weekend. I was working hard on my novel and wasn't sure where things were going. She wrote on my FB wall the next day how her weekend was dark without me. We've also made plans to go to Chicago in Sept with Danny and his new girl. Lana and I will be sharing a room. Danny and his girl will share a room. She also wants to go to NY with me when I go to visit my brothers. Danny might go on that trip. No clue about arrangements. By now though, I've def started to fall for her. I still have not talked to Danny about it. I know she's talked to him about me though, because she once mentioned that she had asked him what my preference was in women. He told her I liked short, skinny Asian girls that look like little boys. (Danny likes thick latino girls). Lana is tall, slender, dark hair and eyes, not Asian but very pretty. Danny also calls her now and again when we're out and she tells him that she's out with me alone. He's never asked me about it. And Danny and I hang out a lot. I'm still wondering wth he thinks. I kind of wish he'd give me some kind of sign although I suspect he doesn't think it's his place to have an opinion. He's a really decent guy. Problem is, my instincts tell me he's not exactly thrilled about it or else he would have said something encouraging. His silence feels like disapproval to me. On Lana's end, she still hasn't explicitly said anything about liking me. We were talking the other day after coming back from the mall and I mentioned how I miss my brothers because they're all up in NY and I have no other fam here. I also mentioned how it's great that Danny has such a big fam to hang out with and they're all really cool. Her response was "yeah, but you're part of our fam too." That struck me as a very platonic thing to say, so maybe she sees me as a brother now? At the same time, that day at the mall she invited me into her dressing room several times to watch her try on clothes, and ran her fingers down my back a few times for no explicable reason as I was turned away from her browsing the racks. Those strike me as very not sisterly things to do. So, I'm still leaning towards her liking me but not pushing it because of what I've previously said about wanting to stay single. I did tell her a few days ago that after I finish my novel, if I still haven't found a nice Taiwanese girl, I'm giving up on the idea. Her response was "hehe, yeah this city doesn't have a big pool for selection." She knows there aren't many hot Taiwanese girls here. Anyhow, right now I'm sort of in limbo. Lana's on the West Coast visiting her mother for two weeks. She left 2 days ago. I'm going to see how much I miss her while she's gone and if I'm really feeling the hurt, I'm going to ask her out. If I do ask her out I'll give it a week after she gets back though, coz I don't like a girl thinking that I start fiending when she's not there. That opens the door to her using cold shoulder tactics later on. But I'm still conflicted. I don't know how to breach the subject with Danny. Lana's still 21, and she parties pretty hard right now. No slutty action but she sure does like to stay out late. I'm a bit older and not so fast-paced anymore. From what I've seen the past 7 years though she's never cheated and she's never gotten a rebound. So bonus points for that. She's had 3 bf's total. She's not a V. I don't mind that. Oh and our zodiac signs are really incompatible. That probably sounds retarded, but I'm pretty superstitious and so far in my life most people have matched up really well with their zodiac signs. Maybe some other people can throw in their opinions on that part because it's really weighing on me. So yeah, problems are Danny, Lana's partying, astrology compatibility, and wondering if that rich, hot, witty Taiwanese girl is waiting around the corner... Any thoughts would be appreciated. And yes... this was long as fuck. My gut instinct tells me it might not work out, but my heart is already somewhat smitten, and my brain is telling me it would be nice to get some more dating experience just to see. But opportunity cost is that I won't be single and ready to mingle. Edit: p.s. She just texted me a picture of a sandy beach she's at right now. She wrote "Team ---" on the sand. Team --- is a goofy nickname we came up with for me and her when we're playing board games vs others. We're always on the same team. The pic kind of hit me in my romantic soft spot. Sigh . I think I'm really just scared what happens if it doesn't work out and I lose an awesome friend AND Danny gets pissed off at me. It would really suck to lose TWO great friends. I know I sound like a homo, but childhood friends are rare. I don't want to lose Danny as a friend. But I don't know if I would lose him by dating Lana. FML. This must be how girls feel when they put a guy in the friend zone. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I won't comment on anything else, but looking at what month a person was born in, a construct of human society that has no meaning on a cosmic level nor interaction with relationship compatiability other than what certain members of society think of it, is definitely the best course of action. There's an opportunity cost lost as well as one gained one would think. | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On July 28 2011 13:09 obesechicken13 wrote: Hot WoW girl? Fetch me the horn of shenans! At Once! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I won't comment on anything else, but looking at what month a person was born in, a construct of human society that has no meaning on a cosmic level nor interaction with relationship compatiability other than what certain members of society think of it, is definitely the best course of action. There's an opportunity cost lost as well as one gained one would think. I should have specified Chinese not Western astrology. Our Western astrologies are really compatible. Pisces and Cancer. I'm the pisces. It's our Chinese astrology that suck. Ox and Horse . One of the very bad matches. Some people think it's silly. According to what I've seen so far in life though, it's been frighteningly accurate. | ||
FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
On July 28 2011 13:18 StorkHwaiting wrote: I should have specified Chinese not Western astrology. Our Western astrologies are really compatible. Pisces and Cancer. I'm the pisces. It's our Chinese astrology that suck. Ox and Horse . One of the very bad matches. Some people think it's silly. According to what I've seen so far in life though, it's been frighteningly accurate. Ah Chinese Astrology, so asian. I've pretty much let go of any superstitious beliefs because i think it just gets in the way and its fairly useless (from what i've found). Also since you're an Ox, like my brother, that would make you 25/26. Unless you're like 37/38 hahahaha. If i were you, i'd actually ask Danny what he thinks. If he really is your best friend he should be honest and open about it as well as not making a massive fuss of you having a little thing for her. As long as you don't overstep your boundaries i think it should be fine. But that's what i think (and if i were in the same situation). | ||
katzby
United States110 Posts
| ||
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On July 28 2011 12:46 StorkHwaiting wrote: I have a question for OP: + Show Spoiler + About five months ago, I broke up with my gf of 7 yrs with whom I was living in an apt in NYC. I then moved back to my hometown. I didn't talk to anyone the first month I was home because I was very upset and wanted to meditate on what went wrong with my relationship. 7 years is tough. But after I found peace with it and came out of my shell, I reached out to my best friends. They were happy to hear from me and my social life revived. One of these good friends--Let's call her Lana--was a funny, charming, and pretty girl I've known for exactly 7 years (I met her about the same time I started dating my ex-gf). She was 14 when I first met her and I was 19. Don't worry. It was nothing seedy. She's the cousin of my best friend (whom I've known since I was 5 years old). We have been good friends throughout the past 7 years. We played WoW together, talked on MSN frequently, and I always considered her the funny, cute cousin of my best friend. I never really considered her as a possible girlfriend though because I was really committed to my gf at the time. But everyone around me commented on how hot she was and were like" wow, hook me up!" Especially once she got a little older... Anyways, the first time I saw her after coming back from NY was lunch at a TGI Fridays. She came along with my best friend, her cousin who I'll call Danny, and Danny's girlfriend. So there were four of us in total. We hung out and had a good time. We got a douchy waiter who kept hitting on Lana as well, which pissed Danny off. We also somehow ended up talking about Lana's current boyfriend, who Danny hates. Danny kept talking trash about the guy, and Lana didn't really defend him, she just asked me what my opinion was. I had a passing familiarity with the guy and simply said, "Sometimes you want to have a certain baseline standard and work from there. Otherwise you can end up with a lot of not so great guys." She nodded her head and nothing more was said on the matter. About four days after that, she told me she broke up with her boyfriend. I asked her why and she said it was because my advice made a lot of sense. Two days after that she invited me out to lunch for sushi. I was wary at first because at this point in time I was adamant about not having a rebound. I was still a little broken up over the whole 7 yr thing. Also, my ex-gf had always said Lana had a thing for me, so I sort of got that vibe. But she sort of insisted and she'd gotten me to admit I was hungry in conversation about 5 min before asking me to lunch so it was hard to give her a good excuse no -_-. We went. We exchanged lots of funny stories. We had a good time. One of the line cooks at the restaurant knew her and gave us lots of free food. But as soon as she went to the bathroom he tried to grill me about my relationship with her. (Lana is pretty well-known in the part of the city I live in and a lot of guys have a thing for her. This isn't the first time I've gotten accosted just for hanging out with her). I told him I was a family friend. He gave me a can of green tea and shook my hand. Lana came back from the bathroom and invited the line cook to her birthday pool party in 3 weeks. Then we left. She asked me to go places with her about 3-4x after that. I turned her down each time because I got a sers dating vibe from her during that first lunch we had. I also started to worry what Danny would think. Danny is my fucking boy. We've known each other 21 years and we've gotten in maybe ONE minor spat throughout that entire time. I love that guy to death. Def the best guy friend I got. Problem is that Danny's pretty tight-lipped about his thoughts. He doesn't tell people what he's thinking, which is both a good and bad thing. In this case, it was bad. I want to know what he thinks, but at the same time, it'd be really presumptuous of me to start talking to him about it when Lana hasn't said anything concrete about liking me. At this point, it could very well be platonic and I'm the only one catching vapors. Anyhow, eventually she convinced me to go out again. Except this time it was a group activity. We had a "game night" at Danny's house. She invited 3 of her girl friends and we played Scattergories and Monopoly. Everyone had a LOT of fun, tons of laughs, goofing off, etc. Most of them drank. I abstained because I'm straight edge as hell. Everyone left around 4 am. The next day she told me on FB her friends LOVED me. I said "haha, they r cool too," and told her I had a great time. She arranged for a second game night for the next weekend. I went to that too. A totally different set of her girlfriends but still a lot of fun. After that night, she informed me her second set of friends loved me too. I got the feeling she was running the classic friend filter on me. At this point, I was still pretty sure I didn't want to date. First because I wanted to date a Taiwanese girl due to family pressure and she is not Taiwanese. I am. Second because she's Danny's cousin (they're super close though. practically brother and sister). Third because I wasn't sure I was ready to try again so soon after my big breakup. I was starting to really like hanging out with her though. She's a lot of fun. And everyone else seems to adore her. I told myself not to be a schmuck and let peer pressure influence me, but seriously, everyone seems to love her. She even has lesbos crushing on her. They come over and do her cousin's laundry just to get in good with her. Then she invited me to go kayaking with her. At this point, her cousin, who had recently broken up with HIS long-term gf too, had paired up with one of Lana's friends. So it was very much double-date-ish. I agreed to go because kayaking sounded like a lot of fun. Of course, the kayaks were split Danny and his new girl, Lana and me. We had a competition to see who would make it to the end of the river first. Danny and his girl won. Lana wanted to sit in the back of the kayak, and I am quite a bit stronger than her, so our kayak kept fishtailing and she ran us into trees full of wasps a couple times. After I almost got stung, I just jumped out of the kayak and insisted we switch places. All in all though, it was a really fun day. During the kayak trip, when it was just us two and we weren't crashing into trees, she asked me if I still had feelings for my ex. I said no. She asked me if I was interested in getting back into dating. I said no. I also said my family is really big on me dating a Taiwanese girl. We talked a bit about her ex as well and her other ex-bfs and she admitted that her bf had broken up with her during a heated argument, instead of the other way around. But that her bf then asked her back out half an hour later and she told him no. They'd apparently been having problems for a solid month before the breakup. In the end, I sort of confirmed to her that I wanted to stay single and she agreed that she too wanted to stay single and loved the single life. Since then, I've started to thaw though. We go out alone a LOT. Like 2-3x a week. She works five days a week so she only gets two days off. We've hung out every one of those weekends except one. I didn't call her that weekend. I was working hard on my novel and wasn't sure where things were going. She wrote on my FB wall the next day how her weekend was dark without me. We've also made plans to go to Chicago in Sept with Danny and his new girl. Lana and I will be sharing a room. Danny and his girl will share a room. She also wants to go to NY with me when I go to visit my brothers. Danny might go on that trip. No clue about arrangements. By now though, I've def started to fall for her. I still have not talked to Danny about it. I know she's talked to him about me though, because she once mentioned that she had asked him what my preference was in women. He told her I liked short, skinny Asian girls that look like little boys. (Danny likes thick latino girls). Lana is tall, slender, dark hair and eyes, not Asian but very pretty. Danny also calls her now and again when we're out and she tells him that she's out with me alone. He's never asked me about it. And Danny and I hang out a lot. I'm still wondering wth he thinks. I kind of wish he'd give me some kind of sign although I suspect he doesn't think it's his place to have an opinion. He's a really decent guy. Problem is, my instincts tell me he's not exactly thrilled about it or else he would have said something encouraging. His silence feels like disapproval to me. On Lana's end, she still hasn't explicitly said anything about liking me. We were talking the other day after coming back from the mall and I mentioned how I miss my brothers because they're all up in NY and I have no other fam here. I also mentioned how it's great that Danny has such a big fam to hang out with and they're all really cool. Her response was "yeah, but you're part of our fam too." That struck me as a very platonic thing to say, so maybe she sees me as a brother now? At the same time, that day at the mall she invited me into her dressing room several times to watch her try on clothes, and ran her fingers down my back a few times for no explicable reason as I was turned away from her browsing the racks. Those strike me as very not sisterly things to do. So, I'm still leaning towards her liking me but not pushing it because of what I've previously said about wanting to stay single. I did tell her a few days ago that after I finish my novel, if I still haven't found a nice Taiwanese girl, I'm giving up on the idea. Her response was "hehe, yeah this city doesn't have a big pool for selection." She knows there aren't many hot Taiwanese girls here. Anyhow, right now I'm sort of in limbo. Lana's on the West Coast visiting her mother for two weeks. She left 2 days ago. I'm going to see how much I miss her while she's gone and if I'm really feeling the hurt, I'm going to ask her out. If I do ask her out I'll give it a week after she gets back though, coz I don't like a girl thinking that I start fiending when she's not there. That opens the door to her using cold shoulder tactics later on. But I'm still conflicted. I don't know how to breach the subject with Danny. Lana's still 21, and she parties pretty hard right now. No slutty action but she sure does like to stay out late. I'm a bit older and not so fast-paced anymore. From what I've seen the past 7 years though she's never cheated and she's never gotten a rebound. So bonus points for that. She's had 3 bf's total. She's not a V. I don't mind that. Oh and our zodiac signs are really incompatible. That probably sounds retarded, but I'm pretty superstitious and so far in my life most people have matched up really well with their zodiac signs. Maybe some other people can throw in their opinions on that part because it's really weighing on me. So yeah, problems are Danny, Lana's partying, astrology compatibility, and wondering if that rich, hot, witty Taiwanese girl is waiting around the corner... Any thoughts would be appreciated. And yes... this was long as fuck. My gut instinct tells me it might not work out, but my heart is already somewhat smitten, and my brain is telling me it would be nice to get some more dating experience just to see. But opportunity cost is that I won't be single and ready to mingle. Edit: p.s. She just texted me a picture of a sandy beach she's at right now. She wrote "Team ---" on the sand. Team --- is a goofy nickname we came up with for me and her when we're playing board games vs others. We're always on the same team. The pic kind of hit me in my romantic soft spot. Sigh . I think I'm really just scared what happens if it doesn't work out and I lose an awesome friend AND Danny gets pissed off at me. It would really suck to lose TWO great friends. I know I sound like a homo, but childhood friends are rare. I don't want to lose Danny as a friend. But I don't know if I would lose him by dating Lana. FML. This must be how girls feel when they put a guy in the friend zone. girl advice posts are never too long. If we can give good advice, we gotta know everything about it, so. Nicely done with describing everything accurately, you don't see that half the time. Ok, the way I see it, you have an opportunity now. Lana is gone for a while, so I would have a chat with Danny about the situation. You don't have to do it straight away, since she's gone for 2 weeks,, so you have time to get your head in the game and realise how much you feel for the girl, but I would defiantly talk to him about it. This also means that when she comes back, you have a perfect time to do something about it. As for the doubts, I've always felt that in this situation, its bes to make a list of the pros and cons about being in the relationship, then throw it away and follow your heart. Relationships don't start from using the brain, that's how they're maintained. You like her, she seems to like you. Nothing else matters. Also, bah to the astronomy side. There are always exceptions, and you can easily be one of them Lets use a Starcraft metaphor. Say you're in a TvT, and your opponent sieges up in range of your bio army. You have 2 options, bail or commit. Waiting to see what happens is NOT an option because you'll just die. So even if it may be the wrong choice, its a hell of a lot better to make a choice than be indecisive, so make a choice! Gl hf gg | ||
OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Also, On July 28 2011 16:24 katzby wrote: HALP. I have a guy problem! Can I pm you with it or must be out in the open? ^_^ SHARE SHARE | ||
krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
| ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:11 krndandaman wrote: hmm ill give a shot at this. girl who never had boyfriend. cute and pretty. generally was/is never interested in boys. got all positive signals from her for the first month and was pretty damn confident that she liked me. all of a sudden the way she treats me and looks at me changed. she no longer approached me and only rarely would i get a good reaction when i approached her. idk what happened cause I definitely did not do something that would make her act like that. we were super close and mass texting for a few days then all of a sudden i got cold, curt responses to texts and felt like she was trying to avoid me whenever we saw each other. i dont get the feeling that she hates me but something is definitely up. any idea on wtf happened? i was friggin 99.9999% sure she liked me as we hit it off like fireworks and at the peak it just dropped to a pithole which makes no sense. this year we're gonna see even more and more of each other since we're basically in the same classes, same clubs, student government, same everything (did not do this on purpose we just happen to have the same interests/coincidence). dunno how i should approach this situation this year. just go along with the flow as regular friends until she makes a move or not, confess, or give it up? How old is she? Are you still in high school? Are her parents strict? Need more deets. | ||
krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
| ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:25 krndandaman wrote: both 18. both seniors now. probably? dont rly know them but we both go to a boarding school atm. Someone probably tipped her parents off to the budding romance and they strictly forbade her not to do anything. That or she herself got cold feet because she's worried about the consequences. You should really give more deets though. Boarding school is a pretty huge factor, what kind of school, how she usually dresses, how she usually is with other guys, etc. Don't boil it all down to just the question you have. Details matter! | ||
krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
| ||
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:38 krndandaman wrote: hm... i think the only people who caught hint of the 'budding romance' was our group of friends. she really doesn't have a "best" friend persay (shes not the gossipy type of girl and doesnt spill out her secrets to anyone). its a small christian boarding school. the school itself doesnt care whether students date and there are a decent number of couples in our small school. the dorm however is pretty anal about it. shes very religious herself but i heard from my best friend that she seemed open about dating. he asked her (before i even came to the school) whether she had a boyfriend or wanted one and she basically said no to both but also said if the right guy comes shes not off-limits to dating. she dresses well. not slutty, but well. kind of the casual yet fashionable type of girl. something simple like skinny jeans, flats, cardigan. she's pretty good with guys. she kinda treats them like her girl friends though... very comfortable with them. hence why i felt something off when she suddenly became awkward around me. From the sounds of it, she's become a bit awkward because something HAS changed between you. maybe she realised that a relationship was developing and she felt uncomfortable because of what she said beforehand; are you the right guy that would mean she's happy to get in a a relationship? I've always felt that talking is the best way to handle it. Maybe not straight away, but when you feel its right, just ask her if you did anything wrong? You never know, maybe it was something you didn't pick up and a simple apology would be fine. However, at least you can then have a real talk about where you both are and if you can see anything happening between the two of you On July 28 2011 16:24 katzby wrote: HALP. I have a guy problem! Can I pm you with it or must be out in the open? ^_^ Post! I think ILK is asleep, maybe one of us who only mildly like kittens can help | ||
| ||