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I turned on my DS for the first time since April 11th. The familiar GameFREAK logo jumped out at me, seemingly eager to see me after being confined in my desk drawer for eleven weeks. Being the gentlemanly intangible creation that it is, the logo humbly receded to make way for Mr. Big Gunz.
The Pokémon logo magicked itself into existence. Glorious as ever. The legendary electric dragon mascot, Zekrom, stood at attention, waiting for me to press the A button to continue my Pokémon White adventures after a long hiatus. But once I had selected my save file from the menu screen, I was hit with a queer sort of self-questioning.
What do I even want to do?
As a longtime card-carrying Pokénerd, I had dedicated myself in past months to devising a competitive battling team consisting only of the Bug type. I had chosen the Bug type as my base because the fifth generation of Pokemon had heralded the rise of several new and powerful insectoids, the kingpin of these being the fire moth, Volcarona. However, I had constructed all of my team members prior to my Pokémon sabbatical. I had bred, trained, and raised five of six faithful creepy-crawlies to deliver divine punishment unto my hapless foes.
All except Heracross, the Bug/Fighting beetle that wreaked havoc ever since its introduction into the series upon the release of Gold and Silver. Unfortunately, Heracross was not yet attainable for me. A new mechanic in Black and White, the Dream World, allows Trainers to obtain Pokémon with different passive abilities than the standard fare. Heracross was no different, and I desired his Dream World ability, Moxie, a skill that increases the Pokémon's Attack stat by 50% when defeating an opposing Pokémon. A powerful ability, to be sure... but Moxie Heracross had not yet been released into the Dream World. I was stonewalled, unable to complete my Bug team and out of tasks in the Unova region.
I came close to turning off my DS and placing it back into the Desk Drawer of Eternity, but something came to mind. A voice, a faint wisp of a voice fluttered through the air on gossamer wings. It spoke of TeamLiquid and its moderators. I listened, and then I understood the source of this ethereal voice.
It was Waxangel. He wanted a Snorlax. And I would oblige. My heart was set to refine the most powerful and physically beautiful gluttonous Pokémon yet devised. It would be a specimen truly worthy of the TeamLiquid moderator who bears the sigil of Snorlax. And so I set myself to this task, not knowing the folly I had brought about.
I flew atop my Volcarona to Striaton Town, the site of the largest Pokémon whorehouse Day Care Center in Unova. There, my faithful whore Ditto squealed with pleasure joy to see me back at the center. It knew that it would once again be given the company of a Pokémon to stave off its loneliness.
...Ah, who am I kidding, it just wanted to fuck. So I threw my Snorlax in the Day Care Center with the two old geezers who ran the place and waited for Casanova to get things done. And, in due time, an egg was laid. Of course, the Day Care man didn't know where the egg had originated from, but I couldn't fault the man for being old and senile. I took the egg, and commenced my journey up and down the route... because the arcane workings of the Pokémon universe allowed eggs to hatch only after walking a predetermined amount of steps. And because Snorlax is big, it clearly had to take a long time.
About an eternity and a half later, the egg shook of its own accord. The Pocket Monster within shattered the shell with its massive girth, and made its presence known to the world by promptly eating the remnants of its egg and falling asleep. But despite acquiring a freshly hatched Snorlax, my work was not yet done. I first had to examine the genetics of the Snorlax, its Individual Values, to determine that its battling prowess was up to my perfectionist standards. I would accept nothing less than the finest Snorlax possible.
I took my PokéDex out of my backpack, and was pleased to see that 3G connection was available in this backwater town. Punching in the stats for this Snorlax and hitting Calculate on MetalKid's calculator, I thought for a brief moment that I had heard my Ditto cry out in ecstasy. Of course, having sex as a full-time job can do that to you, so I chalked it up to another day at the office for Casanova. It was then that the results were fed to my 'Dex.
A Snorlax unlike any other I'd seen. Perfect IV's in all of its stats, save for Special Attack, which was mediocre. But Snorlax doesn't use Fire Blast without a damn good reason, so for all intents and purposes, my creation was flawless. I fistpumped the air in a small victory celebration.
Then the unthinkable happened. Due to a small oversight, my fistpumping hand was the one that held my DS. I naturally have a sweaty grip, and that tendency drove me to despair as the DS flew from my hand onto the carpet.
Landing on the off switch.
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Sorry, Wax. It was a really good Snorlax, too.
+ Show Spoiler +This was a true story, by the way. Happened about thirty minutes ago. I'n so bummed. D:
 
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sad
Maybe Elly will cheer you up
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Just RNG abuse like all the cool kids do it, breeding Pokemon to feed your OCD is the worst idea ever
this advice is coming from a guy who got a 31/29/31/31/31/31 timid vulpix once. Stop while you still can :O
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Also Snorlax sucks now, so its no biggie ^_^
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thats the shittiest feeling
but you know what fuck IV breeding :[
cool kids use battle sims 
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On July 01 2011 12:31 Milkis wrote:
Also Snorlax sucks now, so its no biggie ^_^
Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch.
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lol Aeres
Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e
Why can't it be simple like the first gen
And OP special stat 
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Poll: Surprized that Waxangel was first responder?No. (66) 81% I'm a retard. (15) 19% 81 total votes Your vote: Surprized that Waxangel was first responder? (Vote): No.
(Vote): I'm a retard.
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And I was thinking I had a bad time because I lost a few ladder games. It gives a man perspective to see Snorlax perfection slip through your fingers like electric current.
So back in the desk drawer it goes huh?
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Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch.
Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere
Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O
Time to accept reality :O
On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat
There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D:
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On July 01 2011 12:38 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch. Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O Time to accept reality :O Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D:
That's why I was planning on using a Choice Band variant. Snorlax's bulk is amazing, and its 110 Attack base stat is impressive as well. Nothing is gonna enjoy being clobbered by a Choice Banded Body Slam that might paralyze the foe and let others on my team sweep unhindered. And CurseLax is still a formidable opponent if you're not ready for it.
When did you become such a Gloomy Gus, Milkis? YOU'RE NOT THE SAME!
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This is a tragedy, sorry for your loss bro.
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On July 01 2011 12:41 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:38 Milkis wrote:Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch. Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O Time to accept reality :O On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D: That's why I was planning on using a Choice Band variant. Snorlax's bulk is amazing, and its 110 Attack base stat is impressive as well. Nothing is gonna enjoy being clobbered by a Choice Banded Body Slam that might paralyze the foe and let others on my team sweep unhindered. And CurseLax is still a formidable opponent if you're not ready for it. When did you become such a Gloomy Gus, Milkis? YOU'RE NOT THE SAME!
Choice Band just says "hello, I'm gyarados/salamence bait" since you dont even have elemental punches from Emerald (unless they found a way to put them in gen V)
I'm just promoting the use of better pokemon ^_^
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I remember when I used to breed...then I got tired of IVs failing and started using pokesav to make a few adjustments kekeke.
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On July 01 2011 12:43 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:41 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:38 Milkis wrote:Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch. Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O Time to accept reality :O On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D: That's why I was planning on using a Choice Band variant. Snorlax's bulk is amazing, and its 110 Attack base stat is impressive as well. Nothing is gonna enjoy being clobbered by a Choice Banded Body Slam that might paralyze the foe and let others on my team sweep unhindered. And CurseLax is still a formidable opponent if you're not ready for it. When did you become such a Gloomy Gus, Milkis? YOU'RE NOT THE SAME! Choice Band just says "hello, I'm gyarados/salamence bait" since you dont even have elemental punches from Emerald (unless they found a way to put them in gen V) I'm just promoting the use of better pokemon ^_^
You make it sound like I wouldn't be dealing with Snorlax's main threats before sending him out. >_< And even if Gyarados and Salamence eat Snorlax alive, neither wants to be paralyzed at all.
He has Fire Punch anyway, so Ferrothorn is out of the picture at least.
Also, he gets Wild Charge too, so Gyarados isn't really a counter if you have that move.
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im so happy TL has pokemon nerds omg
milkis = hero
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On July 01 2011 12:46 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:43 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 12:41 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:38 Milkis wrote:Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch. Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O Time to accept reality :O On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D: That's why I was planning on using a Choice Band variant. Snorlax's bulk is amazing, and its 110 Attack base stat is impressive as well. Nothing is gonna enjoy being clobbered by a Choice Banded Body Slam that might paralyze the foe and let others on my team sweep unhindered. And CurseLax is still a formidable opponent if you're not ready for it. When did you become such a Gloomy Gus, Milkis? YOU'RE NOT THE SAME! Choice Band just says "hello, I'm gyarados/salamence bait" since you dont even have elemental punches from Emerald (unless they found a way to put them in gen V) I'm just promoting the use of better pokemon ^_^ You make it sound like I wouldn't be dealing with Snorlax's main threats before sending him out. >_< And even if Gyarados and Salamence eat Snorlax alive, neither wants to be paralyzed at all. He has Fire Punch anyway, so Ferrothorn is out of the picture at least. Also, he gets Wild Charge too, so Gyarados isn't really a counter if you have that move.
Eh, the thing is that Normal STAB at 30% paralysis isn't that big of a threat in the long run anyway (obviously if a gyarados switches in a body slam and it gets paralyzed you'll be happy). I don't know much about Gen V but Gen IV it was really annoying using Choice Band/Specs on anything (Scarf is an exception, for obvious reasons) mostly because it always just gets your opponent a free set up as they're going to be swapping to something that resists snorlax well anyway :p
Basically Offensive teams will set up on it ezpz and it's not good enough to dent defensive teams :p
In general normal STAB hasn't been great since Gen IV since everything just hits so much harder (which makes snorlax's bulkiness kind of useless since he's not Blissey level bulky). You can probably find something better to use on your team ;p
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I thought this was going to be a blog about Waxangel.
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On July 01 2011 12:50 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:46 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:43 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 12:41 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:38 Milkis wrote:Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch. Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O Time to accept reality :O On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D: That's why I was planning on using a Choice Band variant. Snorlax's bulk is amazing, and its 110 Attack base stat is impressive as well. Nothing is gonna enjoy being clobbered by a Choice Banded Body Slam that might paralyze the foe and let others on my team sweep unhindered. And CurseLax is still a formidable opponent if you're not ready for it. When did you become such a Gloomy Gus, Milkis? YOU'RE NOT THE SAME! Choice Band just says "hello, I'm gyarados/salamence bait" since you dont even have elemental punches from Emerald (unless they found a way to put them in gen V) I'm just promoting the use of better pokemon ^_^ You make it sound like I wouldn't be dealing with Snorlax's main threats before sending him out. >_< And even if Gyarados and Salamence eat Snorlax alive, neither wants to be paralyzed at all. He has Fire Punch anyway, so Ferrothorn is out of the picture at least. Also, he gets Wild Charge too, so Gyarados isn't really a counter if you have that move. Eh, the thing is that Normal STAB at 30% paralysis isn't that big of a threat in the long run anyway (obviously if a gyarados switches in a body slam and it gets paralyzed you'll be happy). I don't know much about Gen V but Gen IV it was really annoying using Choice Band/Specs on anything (Scarf is an exception, for obvious reasons) mostly because it always just gets your opponent a free set up as they're going to be swapping to something that resists snorlax well anyway :p Basically Offensive teams will set up on it ezpz and it's not good enough to dent defensive teams :p In general normal STAB hasn't been great since Gen IV since everything just hits so much harder (which makes snorlax's bulkiness kind of useless since he's not Blissey level bulky). You can probably find something better to use on your team ;p
The thing about Gen V is that there are far more special-based threats. Chandelure, Reuniclus, Volcarona, Kyurem, and the like. Snorlax excels on switching in on such Pokemon (especially with Thick Fat to essentially gain two resistances) and forcing them out and eating a CB Body Slam or Return. And if it's Chandelure or Reuniclus, then you Pursuit them for huge damage.
Snorlax is obviously not the king it used to be back in the day, but I don't think that it's outclassed just yet. It's still got some life left in it. :D
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On July 01 2011 12:53 flamewheel wrote:
I thought this was going to be a blog about Waxangel.
Maybe I should try breeding a Rapidash next...
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On July 01 2011 12:54 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:53 flamewheel wrote:
I thought this was going to be a blog about Waxangel. Maybe I should try breeding a Rapidash next...
I have a shiny one!
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On July 01 2011 12:54 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:50 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 12:46 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:43 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 12:41 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:38 Milkis wrote:Shut your filthy whore mouth. Snorlax rules.
And I'm good at breeding, so I'll get another good Snorlax eventually. But it takes sooooooo long to hatch. Normal type without recovery in a generation where 120 bp stab moves are everywhere Sorry but Restalk just aint good enough anymore. Wish Passing kind of sucks on it too :O Time to accept reality :O On July 01 2011 12:34 JSH wrote:lol Aeres Ugh hate the new uh IV training or w/e Why can't it be simple like the first gen And OP special stat There was IVs in the first gen, only 0~15 though which was the nice part about it D: That's why I was planning on using a Choice Band variant. Snorlax's bulk is amazing, and its 110 Attack base stat is impressive as well. Nothing is gonna enjoy being clobbered by a Choice Banded Body Slam that might paralyze the foe and let others on my team sweep unhindered. And CurseLax is still a formidable opponent if you're not ready for it. When did you become such a Gloomy Gus, Milkis? YOU'RE NOT THE SAME! Choice Band just says "hello, I'm gyarados/salamence bait" since you dont even have elemental punches from Emerald (unless they found a way to put them in gen V) I'm just promoting the use of better pokemon ^_^ You make it sound like I wouldn't be dealing with Snorlax's main threats before sending him out. >_< And even if Gyarados and Salamence eat Snorlax alive, neither wants to be paralyzed at all. He has Fire Punch anyway, so Ferrothorn is out of the picture at least. Also, he gets Wild Charge too, so Gyarados isn't really a counter if you have that move. Eh, the thing is that Normal STAB at 30% paralysis isn't that big of a threat in the long run anyway (obviously if a gyarados switches in a body slam and it gets paralyzed you'll be happy). I don't know much about Gen V but Gen IV it was really annoying using Choice Band/Specs on anything (Scarf is an exception, for obvious reasons) mostly because it always just gets your opponent a free set up as they're going to be swapping to something that resists snorlax well anyway :p Basically Offensive teams will set up on it ezpz and it's not good enough to dent defensive teams :p In general normal STAB hasn't been great since Gen IV since everything just hits so much harder (which makes snorlax's bulkiness kind of useless since he's not Blissey level bulky). You can probably find something better to use on your team ;p The thing about Gen V is that there are far more special-based threats. Chandelure, Reuniclus, Volcarona, Kyurem, and the like. Snorlax excels on switching in on such Pokemon (especially with Thick Fat to essentially gain two resistances) and forcing them out and eating a CB Body Slam or Return. And if it's Chandelure or Reuniclus, then you Pursuit them for huge damage. Snorlax is obviously not the king it used to be back in the day, but I don't think that it's outclassed just yet. It's still got some life left in it. :D
Don't start posting teams now and ask me why you're losing then ;D
On July 01 2011 12:55 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:54 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:53 flamewheel wrote:
I thought this was going to be a blog about Waxangel. Maybe I should try breeding a Rapidash next... I have a shiny one!
probably hacked :3
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On July 01 2011 12:31 Milkis wrote:
Also Snorlax sucks now, so its no biggie ^_^
Waxangel would like to have a word with you.
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So Milkis, what do you want to see out of Gen6 pokemon?
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Highly tragic
Elly is cheerful though.
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It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen?
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On July 01 2011 13:00 Plexa wrote:
So Milkis, what do you want to see out of Gen6 pokemon?
I want to see the entire stat system revamped for Gen6 actually :p (like removing IVs)
Most of what I want from Pokemon is just a better matchmaking/hack checking system, really. Both of them should be "trivial" since hack checking should just make sure a pokemon is within limits (you can just hardcode that in) and then maybe a ladder
I want Pokemon to be an ESPORTS
Please stop adding Pokemon until you fix everything please ;;
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On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen?
Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too.
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On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too.
What, did they fix Shadow Tag? 
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On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too.
I'm still in Platinum, Pearl. I don't have the effort or time to train this generation of Pokemon (when you've spent 999:59 hours on Pearl and over 500 hours on Platinum, you kind of don't want to move on).
God Metagross was the king!
On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag?
It ain't broken, yo. Just really really universally good. Should fix Azelf, too good of a starter.
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On July 01 2011 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. I'm still in Platinum, Pearl. I don't have the effort or time to train this generation of Pokemon (when you've spent 999:59 hours on Pearl and over 500 hours on Platinum, you kind of don't want to move on). God Metagross was the king! Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? It ain't broken, yo. Just really really universally good.
I'm pretty sure Shadow Tag was pretty damn broken in Gen 4 lol. It's not even worth reiterating how broken it was.
Also Azelf is ok at best lol
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On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag?
More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier.
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On July 01 2011 13:08 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. I'm still in Platinum, Pearl. I don't have the effort or time to train this generation of Pokemon (when you've spent 999:59 hours on Pearl and over 500 hours on Platinum, you kind of don't want to move on). God Metagross was the king! On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? It ain't broken, yo. Just really really universally good. I'm pretty sure Shadow Tag was pretty damn broken in Gen 4 lol. It's not even worth reiterating how broken it was.
Yeah, I know. It was just fucking hilarious and awesome.
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On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier.
Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5?
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To be honest, winning with an event Linoone that had extremespeed and belly drum was pretty damn beast.
~ Encore
~ Counter
~ Mirror Coat
~ Safeguard / Tickle
28 HP / 228 Def / 252 SpD
The one and only set for Wobbuffet. With little prediction, or none at all if Encore is used, Wobbuffet can guarantee at least one kill against a Choiced Pokemon (preferably a Pokemon with Choice Scarf). Choose Counter if your opponent is clearly a Choiced physical attacker, or Mirror Coat if it's a Choiced special attacker. If it's a Pokémon without a Choice item, simply use Encore and proceed from there since your opponent can't switch out. Encore can also work to your benefit if the opponent chooses to use a stat up move, as this will allow a free switch in for one of your Pokemon and at least one turn of set up. Encore is especially effective against defensive Pokemon, such as Lugia and Blissey, as the best they can do is use Toxic on Wobbuffet, and the move is rare on Lugia. Forcing a Pokemon to repeat a move while preventing them from switching is one of the most sadistic, and effective, strategies in Pokemon. Wobbuffet can also switch into a lead Choice Scarf Darkrai's Dark Void, forcing it to struggle to death. This can be risky, because if Darkrai uses Trick, Wobbuffet is crippled, and if Darkrai uses Dark Pulse, then Wobbuffet will take a massive amount of damage (and it cannot use Mirror Coat, as Darkrai is immune to it).
Both Safeguard and Tickle will be helpful as your last move. Safeguard is obviously there to prevent Wobbuffet from being crippled by status ailments and can help it support the team at the same time. The only downside is that Wobbuffet is very slow and will most likely be statused before it can use Safeguard. Still, Encoring a status move and using Safeguard can be an effective way to set up a sweeper. With Tickle, Wobbuffet can become an effective wallbreaker when paired with a user of Pursuit (such as Tyranitar or Scizor). Tickle Wobbuffet's main targets are Lugia and Blissey. Once Lugia is Tickled and Pursuited to death, most stall teams will be vulnerable to sweeps from deadly physical setup sweepers, like Rayquaza or Garchomp.
Team Options & Additional Comments >>>
Why he was broken.
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On July 01 2011 13:10 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier. Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5?
Encore now lasts 3 turns, always. Including the turn it's used, so you have 2 turns where the opponent is locked into an attack. Yeah, Choiced Pokemon are still fucking destroyed by Wobbuffet, but now there's a lot more breathing room when dealing with it, especially if you have something like Houndoom that can fire special attacks at it and be immune to Mirror Coat.
Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention something about Wish. Wish now heals the target based on the USER'S maximum HP, so if Blissey used Wish on Snorlax, it'd be pretty much fully healed.
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On July 01 2011 13:13 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:10 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier. Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5? Encore now lasts 3 turns, always. Including the turn it's used, so you have 2 turns where the opponent is locked into an attack. Yeah, Choiced Pokemon are still fucking destroyed by Wobbuffet, but now there's a lot more breathing room when dealing with it, especially if you have something like Houndoom that can fire special attacks at it and be immune to Mirror Coat. Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention something about Wish. Wish now heals the target based on the USER'S maximum HP, so if Blissey used Wish on Snorlax, it'd be pretty much fully healed.
Blissey and Snorlax on the same team is bad
Blissey wishpassing to Snorlax is even worse o_o;
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On July 01 2011 13:12 Torte de Lini wrote:To be honest, winning with an event Linoone that had extremespeed and belly drum was pretty damn beast. Show nested quote +~ Encore
~ Counter
~ Mirror Coat
~ Safeguard / Tickle
28 HP / 228 Def / 252 SpD
The one and only set for Wobbuffet. With little prediction, or none at all if Encore is used, Wobbuffet can guarantee at least one kill against a Choiced Pokemon (preferably a Pokemon with Choice Scarf). Choose Counter if your opponent is clearly a Choiced physical attacker, or Mirror Coat if it's a Choiced special attacker. If it's a Pokémon without a Choice item, simply use Encore and proceed from there since your opponent can't switch out. Encore can also work to your benefit if the opponent chooses to use a stat up move, as this will allow a free switch in for one of your Pokemon and at least one turn of set up. Encore is especially effective against defensive Pokemon, such as Lugia and Blissey, as the best they can do is use Toxic on Wobbuffet, and the move is rare on Lugia. Forcing a Pokemon to repeat a move while preventing them from switching is one of the most sadistic, and effective, strategies in Pokemon. Wobbuffet can also switch into a lead Choice Scarf Darkrai's Dark Void, forcing it to struggle to death. This can be risky, because if Darkrai uses Trick, Wobbuffet is crippled, and if Darkrai uses Dark Pulse, then Wobbuffet will take a massive amount of damage (and it cannot use Mirror Coat, as Darkrai is immune to it).
Both Safeguard and Tickle will be helpful as your last move. Safeguard is obviously there to prevent Wobbuffet from being crippled by status ailments and can help it support the team at the same time. The only downside is that Wobbuffet is very slow and will most likely be statused before it can use Safeguard. Still, Encoring a status move and using Safeguard can be an effective way to set up a sweeper. With Tickle, Wobbuffet can become an effective wallbreaker when paired with a user of Pursuit (such as Tyranitar or Scizor). Tickle Wobbuffet's main targets are Lugia and Blissey. Once Lugia is Tickled and Pursuited to death, most stall teams will be vulnerable to sweeps from deadly physical setup sweepers, like Rayquaza or Garchomp.
Team Options & Additional Comments >>> Why he was broken.
God, I so wanted one of those. It would have been glorious.
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On July 01 2011 13:14 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:13 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:10 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier. Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5? Encore now lasts 3 turns, always. Including the turn it's used, so you have 2 turns where the opponent is locked into an attack. Yeah, Choiced Pokemon are still fucking destroyed by Wobbuffet, but now there's a lot more breathing room when dealing with it, especially if you have something like Houndoom that can fire special attacks at it and be immune to Mirror Coat. Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention something about Wish. Wish now heals the target based on the USER'S maximum HP, so if Blissey used Wish on Snorlax, it'd be pretty much fully healed. Blissey and Snorlax on the same team is bad Blissey wishpassing to Snorlax is even worse o_o;
Well, yeah, that was just an example. Of course you don't use both on the same team.
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On July 01 2011 13:13 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:10 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier. Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5? Encore now lasts 3 turns, always. Including the turn it's used, so you have 2 turns where the opponent is locked into an attack. Yeah, Choiced Pokemon are still fucking destroyed by Wobbuffet, but now there's a lot more breathing room when dealing with it, especially if you have something like Houndoom that can fire special attacks at it and be immune to Mirror Coat. Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention something about Wish. Wish now heals the target based on the USER'S maximum HP, so if Blissey used Wish on Snorlax, it'd be pretty much fully healed.
Is Blissey's moveset from Gen 4 still good (I still have my Blissey from Emerald)? Softboiled, Ice beam (or toxic), Aromatherapy, Thunder Wave?
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On July 01 2011 13:15 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:13 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:10 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier. Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5? Encore now lasts 3 turns, always. Including the turn it's used, so you have 2 turns where the opponent is locked into an attack. Yeah, Choiced Pokemon are still fucking destroyed by Wobbuffet, but now there's a lot more breathing room when dealing with it, especially if you have something like Houndoom that can fire special attacks at it and be immune to Mirror Coat. Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention something about Wish. Wish now heals the target based on the USER'S maximum HP, so if Blissey used Wish on Snorlax, it'd be pretty much fully healed. Is Blissey's moveset from Gen 4 still good (I still have my Blissey from Emerald)? Softboiled, Ice beam (or toxic), Aromatherapy, Thunder Wave?
Well, Blissey NEEDS an attack move, otherwise Ferrothorn and the gang can set up on it all day. I would probably go for Flamethrower (to deal with the plant bastard), Toxic, Softboiled, and Aromatherapy, although Seismic Toss can be useful for guaranteed damage against non-Ghosts. That's if you're going for status support. Wish/Protect is always a good option.
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I usually go cleric with Blissey and tag ice beam on it (with thunder wave to cripple those fast targets, also great for stalling).
No idea who Ferrothorn is.
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On July 01 2011 13:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I usually go cleric with Blissey and tag ice beam on it (with thunder wave to cripple those fast targets, also great for stalling).
No idea who Ferrothorn is.
Ferrothorn is the new really annoying all-purpose wall. Grass/Steel typing, an ability that hurts anything that hurts it, and it gets Spikes and Stealth Rock. AND it can actually do decent damage too. Really annoying, and it's EVERYWHERE.
Without Flamethrower, Ferrothorn shits all over Blissey.
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Oh lol! I had him when I played a bit of PKM Black.
I dunno if I should get back into the scene of Pokemon. I'm already resisting my urge to play TF2 and my frustration with SC2 ):
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Hey, a discussion about Pokemon!
Ah, how I miss Battle Frontier, so fun
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On July 01 2011 12:58 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 12:55 flamewheel wrote:On July 01 2011 12:54 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 12:53 flamewheel wrote:
I thought this was going to be a blog about Waxangel. Maybe I should try breeding a Rapidash next... I have a shiny one! probably hacked :3
;_;
I am hurt.
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i enjoyed the story, felt really bad for you, tried to follow what you were saying about breeding, got lost, then you started to talk about battling, got even more lost, now i do not know where i am, i have no shoes, and it is raining. I feel bad for me now,
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On July 01 2011 13:14 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 13:13 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:10 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:08 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Milkis wrote:On July 01 2011 13:05 Aeres wrote:On July 01 2011 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's all about fucking Garchomp and Wobuffet.
Did they nerf him in this gen? Well, Garchomp was banned to Ubers on the Smogon tier list... again. So I guess you could call that a nerf. Wobbuffet seems to be hanging out in the standard tiers this time around, though. We'll see how that turns out. I won't use him, though, since I prefer bulky offensive teams more than defensive teams. And I hate Wobbuffet too. What, did they fix Shadow Tag? More like they nerfed Encore. It doesn't last nearly as long, so Wobbuffet can't get all the Tickles he needs before switching to something that owns the target. Also, since Golurk was introduced, Wobbuffet has a harder time staying alive in the UU tier. Hrm, Tickle wasn't why it was broken though, Tickle was just cherry on top... how badly did they nerf encore? O_o I know they nerfed from gen 3 -> 4 but they nerfed it again from 4 -> 5? Encore now lasts 3 turns, always. Including the turn it's used, so you have 2 turns where the opponent is locked into an attack. Yeah, Choiced Pokemon are still fucking destroyed by Wobbuffet, but now there's a lot more breathing room when dealing with it, especially if you have something like Houndoom that can fire special attacks at it and be immune to Mirror Coat. Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention something about Wish. Wish now heals the target based on the USER'S maximum HP, so if Blissey used Wish on Snorlax, it'd be pretty much fully healed. Blissey and Snorlax on the same team is bad Blissey wishpassing to Snorlax is even worse o_o;
They can work somewhat ok in a TR team or pseudo-stall team.
Sorry to intervene, but yeah, ever since GF decided that SD needed a nerf and that Drain Punch was in "dire" need of a boost, Snorlax sucks. Shame that such an awesome pokémon gets so completely raped by Conkeldurr. Although it's an amazing bait, considering how many checks and counters he now has.
Also, RNG in Gen V is way too easy if you have a regular or lite DS.
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Sigh. I bred a Gyarados with perfect Attack IV before. That alone look me many, many, MANY attempts. After that I gave up.
I am happier with the Feebas I captured that naturally came with perfect Spec Attack and decent IV overall.
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does pikachu turn into raichu??
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On July 02 2011 01:20 lantzuhh wrote:
does pikachu turn into raichu??
Uh... yeah? lol
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Noooo!!!! please Noooo!!!!
that means your pikachu was not happy!!!! it turned evil.
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I never understood why people felt the need to run Softboiled/Aromatherapy when Wish is so much more versatile. If you need the status recovery that badly just run Wish/Heal Bell, it's a completely legal combination and the only difference is you won't be able to recover status for your Soundproof Electrode (lol).
Also, Choice Band was nuts in 4th Gen. You could beat a lot of lesser players running a team of 6 Choice Band users, haha. Nobody wants to switch into an x1.5 power STAB, not even 2x resist Pokémon.
Also, usage in 5th gen seems to be mixed between Blissey (slightly more HP, Leftovers) and Chansey (waaaay more defenses through Eviolite).
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And all this could have been avoided... if you used pokesav LOL
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My friend also just posted a FB status about playing pokemon yellow for 50 hours and almost having all 150 pokemon, then having it crash/data be corrupted XD. Oh, the traumaa of poke-disasters...
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Well, I got my Snorlax back. It was such a hassle, because I was breeding for an hour or two before I realized Pursuit was an egg move. -_- But now my little fatty is ready to rock.
Nickname? Waxangel.
Now to start on Rapidash. I need to honor Flamewheel too, you know. :D
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I remember I named my Infernape, Inferrape because it was such a beast starter pokemon.
Dragonite is still broken imo.
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lol Dragonite broken
If Dragonite is broken to you, then I wanna know what sets you're fighting against. Dragonite is by no means a pushover, but his weaknesses are definitely exploitable.
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I'm trying to remember why and it was this outrage move someone would do on me that always decimated half of my time unless I had a fast pokemon with icebeam (I stopped running with Weavile awhile ago who had other good ice moves).
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Outrage is a gigantic neon sign that says "Please switch any Steel type in on me!". Jirachi, Bronzong, Heatran, Skarmory, and Empoleon all get in with relatively minimal damage and can either set up or slam Dragonite with Ice attacks. You're using your Ice attacker wrong; you don't switch into Outrage with just anything. I think your problem is that your team just isn't well-built.
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I stopped going the standard pkmn a long time ago, so when I vs.ed a Dragonite, I was caught with my pants down.
If I could go whatever pkmn, I'd go: Azelf as opener, Ninjask, Metagross, Blissey, and my last two were toss-ups. Breloom, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Gengar if I want to be bullshit, Lucario was a fun pokemon too for an easy kill (especially with that accessory that let me survive with one hp), Starmie, Togekiss, Umbreon.
Most people set up too easily on me though D:
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Going nonstandard is fun, but when a standard Pokémon can clearly assist your team better and more than a lesser-used 'mon, then perhaps you should go back to the drawing board. Having a cool and unique team doesn't really count for much when extremely common (and even sone not so common) threats just kill you to death. I don't like using ABSOLUTE BOG STANDARD guys either, but there comes a point where it's just more sensible to use some.
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Do you remember the time when running Tyranitar was strong and hugely popular? This was like at the beginning with Pearl and Diamond I believe (Milkis will probably correct me).
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/linoone
The first build of Linoone always me giggle if I pulled it off.
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Yeah, but relying on gimmicks (and make no mistake, Linoone IS a gimmick) won't get you too far. I would rather use reliable Pokémon that are more consistent at their jobs. Linoone can backfire very easily, and I'd prefer to play it safer with something like, say, Hippowdon or Machamp.
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Omg, I have a female machamp, she is awesome.
Big fan of Hippo, but I never used him since Garchomp went Uber.
Suicune is the embodiment of reliable.
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Is everybody still nuts about Excadrill nowadays? I remember back in the first days of Gen V in Japan, people were freaking out about how weather teams were incredibly imba (what with Manaphy having Tail Glow with Politoad having Drizzle, Excadrill having Sand Rush with a Balloon and decent coverage). Actually, are Drizzletoad and Droughttails even available right now?
But Machamp has to be my favorite lead. Dynamic Punch all day. I don't care if it's not viable anymore >.<
I never was one to use Blissey, Skarmory, or Snorlax. By now, though, I believe Ferrothorn is the staple "zomg gotta have" wall (is Jellicent still popular?).
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this sounds absolutely devastating
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On July 02 2011 14:23 Zeke50100 wrote:
Is everybody still nuts about Excadrill nowadays? I remember back in the first days of Gen V in Japan, people were freaking out about how weather teams were incredibly imba (what with Manaphy having Tail Glow with Politoad having Drizzle, Excadrill having Sand Rush with a Balloon and decent coverage). Actually, are Drizzletoad and Droughttails even available right now?
But Machamp has to be my favorite lead. Dynamic Punch all day. I don't care if it's not viable anymore >.<
I never was one to use Blissey, Skarmory, or Snorlax. By now, though, I believe Ferrothorn is the staple "zomg gotta have" wall (is Jellicent still popular?).
I haven't kept up, but I think Sand Stream and Sand Rush were banned last I checked. Or something like that.
Fighting too common nowadays for most people to consider Normal or even Steel types. Steels used mostly to cover Dragon weakness.
That said, Snorlax ain't that good.
Too much work keeping up with a million games. I just prepare against my stupid friend who cheats. t.t
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