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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
I don't really have a purpose for posting this other than I need to talk about it and no one will listen rationally IRL. Any current or former marines have advice for me, or anybody have any advice in general? Trolls who are gonna go off and rant about politics and the horrors of the US military and conspiracy theories and shit like that, take it elsewhere where people care.  | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:28 Arterial wrote: Play as much Modern Warfare 2 as you can, it'll help you for the training to come. lol, I knew I'd get some of these  I'll make sure to take my OMA bag with me too. | ||
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chomsky
Canada97 Posts
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
I'd just do what you want to do and your parents will either have to like it or lump it, it's your life not theirs. Best of luck to you dude. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
Your parents are probably concerned that you're signing up for infantry, which pretty much guarantees that you'll be in harm's way for a good chunk of your service. It's simply a fact that your life will be at risk. Is this that important to you? | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2466 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:24 King of Blades wrote: So, coming up pretty soon when I graduate from my two year college, I'm enlisting in the marines as an infantryman, and considering how much I like shooting rifles and practice target shooting, I'll probably try out for the scout-snipers while I'm there. My plans are to get my degree at the two year, enlist, do my tour, and when I get back, go to a university using the marine scholarships and then med school for surgery. My parents are brutally opposed to the idea in general, my father continually repeats that I'm not thinking things through, and my mom just cries everywhere, both refuse to talk to the recruiter that I've been talking to. I don't really have a purpose for posting this other than I need to talk about it and no one will listen rationally IRL. Any current or former marines have advice for me, or anybody have any advice in general? Trolls who are gonna go off and rant about politics and the horrors of the US military and conspiracy theories and shit like that, take it elsewhere where people care. If you want to go to medical school, why don't you join the navy? If you enlist as a corpsman you can do a tour as a marine medic and then go to C school for surgery, which will give you credits towards a medical degree. Edit; And if you get good grades in corpsman A school, you won't even have to do a tour, you can just go straight into a C school then a hospital or hospital ship. Scout Sniper isn't exactly an easy rating/mos to go through anyway, and being in an STA unit is a bitch because you're out in the box a lot more than everyone else. | ||
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
I do know I'm risking my life, especially as I'm going into the infantry, I'm at peace with the possibility of not coming home in one piece, or even out of a body bag. I've considered the navy, and the corpsman was kind of tempting, but I really just don't want to join them, I can't really put it into words why, but every fiber of my being yearns for the marines over any other branch. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2466 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:38 King of Blades wrote: I've considered the navy, and the corpsman was kind of tempting, but I really just don't want to join them, I can't really put it into words why, but every fiber of my being yearns for the marines over any other branch. Right. Well. Can't really help you then. I'm a six year navy vet. | ||
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:38 King of Blades wrote: I can't really pay for the four year without ungodly amounts of student loans, and the scholarship would probably make life a hell of a lot easier immediately after graduating. I do know I'm risking my life, especially as I'm going into the infantry, I'm at peace with the possibility of not coming home in one piece, or even out of a body bag. I've considered the navy, and the corpsman was kind of tempting, but I really just don't want to join them, I can't really put it into words why, but every fiber of my being yearns for the marines over any other branch. Why? because they have coolest commercials? I don't see why you would pick the marines over the Navy when they can give you the scholarships and the chance to jump right into a medical setting from the start. Also, you want to be a marine sniper and then go to med school? Have fun resolving that with your Hippocratic Oath. Sounds like you have a death wish if you would pick the marines over the navy in this situation. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:44 djbhINDI wrote: Stim. And run from lurkers. It's no problem if the lurker isn't under land. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:24 King of Blades wrote: So, coming up pretty soon when I graduate from my two year college, I'm enlisting in the marines as an infantryman, and considering how much I like shooting rifles and practice target shooting, I'll probably try out for the scout-snipers while I'm there. My plans are to get my degree at the two year, enlist, do my tour, and when I get back, go to a university using the marine scholarships and then med school for surgery. My parents are brutally opposed to the idea in general, my father continually repeats that I'm not thinking things through, and my mom just cries everywhere, both refuse to talk to the recruiter that I've been talking to. I don't really have a purpose for posting this other than I need to talk about it and no one will listen rationally IRL. Any current or former marines have advice for me, or anybody have any advice in general? Trolls who are gonna go off and rant about politics and the horrors of the US military and conspiracy theories and shit like that, take it elsewhere where people care. Using the military to fund a higher education is a great idea; Might I recommend, however, the ROTC? My brother and a couple of my friends did/do ROTC and it was a great experience; it let them learn valuable leadership skills and paid for their education (which is easier to do as a younger man) up front. Furthermore, entering the services as an officer gives you a lot of flexibility in terms of what you do during your time working. I know there's Navy and Air Force ROTC, so I'm sure there's also Marines ROTC. (Also, you get paid better  ) | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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Ushio
Canada868 Posts
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:47 Azerbaijan wrote: Why? because they have coolest commercials? I don't see why you would pick the marines over the Navy when they can give you the scholarships and the chance to jump right into a medical setting from the start. Also, you want to be a marine sniper and then go to med school? Have fun resolving that with your Hippocratic Oath. Sounds like you have a death wish if you would pick the marines over the navy in this situation. I know a lot of marines, and a lot of my recent family have been marines, you could say it's in my blood. Hippocratic oath doesn't apply to the past. And maybe I do have a death wish, just not an active one | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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Semtext
Germany287 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:49 Endymion wrote: Go navy, they get the cutest girls when offduty. ...they also had nice white sailor uniforms to go home in after ww2 iirc. well, if you are in a shooting club or something (you mentioned taking target practice) and are amongst the top of your peers, why don't give it a shot at shooting professionally. (see what i did there?) the icky question is, why do you want to go to med school to fix up people after being trained to kill people? if you wanted to do it for the "greater good", you should enlist as a medic from the start(not a sniper), but thats just my 2 cents. i guess the 'rines need medics too... | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
I know lots of marines too, I often work in VA/hospice centers, most of them are missing more than one limb. Of course its ultimately your choice but honestly, your reasoning blows my mind. | ||
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:47 Aeres wrote: It's no problem if the lurker isn't under land. True. Run from lurkers if...ah fuck it. Good luck, bro. Don't die. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:18 Azerbaijan wrote: Well best of luck to you. I find it bizarre that you want to shoot people in the head for a living before you become a doctor though. There are plenty of people who would jump at the chance. They're known as photographers. | ||
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
Have you considered going Army? You have a pretty ambitious set of plans there. I don't know many marines so obviously I have some bias (5 years in the Army right now), but there are probably better opportunities to facilitate you wrapping up that plan here. If you came in with an 18x contract, had a high enough GT score and were willing to suck up more time in selection and assessment courses, you could go the 18D route, which is a Special Forces (green beret, not other special operations units) medic. I went through Ranger School with an SF medic from 10th group. They base their specialty positions on raw capability a lot of times and NOT what paper qualifications say. This medic in particular was the junior sniper on the team (and in order to do this, had to attend and pass SFSC, which is generally regarded as the premier sniper school in the military), and always receiving more and more leadership positions. 18D's in general have a very good reputation as being the brains of the green berets and usually have a pretty impressive background as far as civilian qualifications go, so their leadership is usually more trusting of them to get shit done. Bear in mind that this entire paragraph is second-hand knowledge based on the opinions of the people I have met that are in Group. I'm not in Group. There are other really good opportunities for you in the Army if you're willing and wanting to get your hands dirty (which is what it sounds like). Aside from bearing the title of 'Marine,' I don't know why anybody would want to choose the Marines over Army, to be honest. You still get to kill assholes, jump out of planes, and go through suck as much as the Marines, if not more. The thing the Marines got it seems is an awesome advertising campaign. | ||
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:25 Bobo_XIII wrote: Just make sure you want it. Really bad. Combat and the military in general isn't as glorious as MW2 makes it out to be, and if you're expecting some Black Hawk Down style shit or a bullshit-free, entirely fluid and efficient working environment, then you ought to get more opinions from people. Have you considered going Army? You have a pretty ambitious set of plans there. I don't know many marines so obviously I have some bias (5 years in the Army right now), but there are probably better opportunities to facilitate you wrapping up that plan here. If you came in with an 18x contract, had a high enough GT score and were willing to suck up more time in selection and assessment courses, you could go the 18D route, which is a Special Forces (green beret, not other special operations units) medic. I went through Ranger School with an SF medic from 10th group. They base their specialty positions on raw capability a lot of times and NOT what paper qualifications say. This medic in particular was the junior sniper on the team (and in order to do this, had to attend and pass SFSC, which is generally regarded as the premier sniper school in the military), and always receiving more and more leadership positions. 18D's in general have a very good reputation as being the brains of the green berets and usually have a pretty impressive background as far as civilian qualifications go, so their leadership is usually more trusting of them to get shit done. Bear in mind that this entire paragraph is second-hand knowledge based on the opinions of the people I have met that are in Group. I'm not in Group. There are other really good opportunities for you in the Army if you're willing and wanting to get your hands dirty (which is what it sounds like). Aside from bearing the title of 'Marine,' I don't know why anybody would want to choose the Marines over Army, to be honest. You still get to kill assholes, jump out of planes, and go through suck as much as the Marines, if not more. The thing the Marines got it seems is an awesome advertising campaign. That sounds perfect, I might look into that, thanks. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1667 Posts
I really hope that your reasoning behind the marines is clear, but it sounds otherwise. "kill assholes". Hmm. I personally don't think that I could reconcile myself with ending a person's life. Death is something un-quantifiable, unknowable and, most importantly, irreversible up until now. How can I accept that I have the right to bestow whatever it is, upon another human being? A human being who most likely has been vulnerable, brainwashed and twisted by some bizarre and archaic leader/system and their largely hopeless society. I'd feel like a monster to kill another person, whether I was sent to by higher authority or not. I think it's also important to imagine that you had been shot/crippled. As you wondered if you were about to die, thinking of the life you could have had, of your friends and family, and small line of text in history as a name+number (with a token condolence paid for by the US government), could you tell yourself that it had been worth it? Since the state of things isn't as clear as "kill or be killed" (unless you put yourself on the front line), for most people, the last feelings would probably be of incredible regret and remorse. I hope you are thinking about this clearly. | ||
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Iamportal
United States184 Posts
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:32 King of Blades wrote: That sounds perfect, I might look into that, thanks. Also, infantryman here. I'm in the Ranger Regiment. It sounds like raw experience and deviation from the normal life route is what you're looking for. I turned down a scholarship from University of Texas and enlisted to come here, and I don't regret it one bit. Here, you're guaranteed to go to combat (we have had at least one battalion rotated in the fight since 2001), guaranteed to attend some pretty raw schooling, and guaranteed to be made uncomfortable more times than not (things happen fast here. You're forced to always step up to the plate). If you didn't enlist as an infantryman and as a medic instead (looking into your longterm), you still would attend great schooling (much of their schooling is similar to the SF pipeline) that would definitely set you up for a post-military career. One of my friends who got out a few months ago was accepted into University of Washington's medical program not too long ago, which apparently is pretty good from the general opinion I hear of it. You also still go through the general pipeline of airborne school, Ranger school, etc. and are in the thick of it all when we're deployed. A lot of the guys that swing through as medics here are a bit more cerebral and usually attend institutions of higher learning, be it proffered by the military or soon after their contract expires. Good stuff comes from here. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
It's nothing like you think it will be, but it's definitely a solid option. Frankly, it's good for most people anyways. I think a lot of kids would do better growing up a bit more before going to college. | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
You can easily get a 4 year full ride ROTC scholarship and after that start out as an officer. Its not so much about grades as it is about aptitude test results, although good grades never hurt. If you seriously want med school they will pay for that too, thats how my father paid for med school and my mother for nursing school. Doctors are always needed in the military because they can make so much more money in the private sector. Its much cheaper for the military to pay for scholarships than it is to hire already trained doctors. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Kidding! Seriously, if your parents are opposed to you enlisting in the marines, you shouldn't do it. Parents>Just about anything you feel like doing. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 30 2011 11:41 TheAwesomeTemplar wrote: Watch out for the collosi! Kidding! Seriously, if your parents are opposed to you enlisting in the marines, you shouldn't do it. Parents>Just about anything you feel like doing. If his parents don't recognize the fact that he's almost a grown-ass man and is trying to take some responsibility for his own life, then they need a reality check, IMO. Parents should be supportive. Although for education purposes, and purposes of actually getting the job you sign up for, I suggest the Army. Montgomery GI Bill is amazing, especially the new version. Full ride, with housing allowance and money for books. Tuition they'll cover is up to the cost of the most expensive public school in the state. In the Army, if you get something specified in your contract, you WILL get it, as long as you don't get yourself disqualified by failing a school or something. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6591 Posts
I'm currently going to college so I can re-enlist as an officer. its a good decision to let them take care of the bill  + Show Spoiler + Edit: Before any smart ass jumps on me about "it's not the army its the military" I joined as a Sig Op... which is army. lol | ||
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sMi.EternaL
United States162 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:24 King of Blades wrote: So, coming up pretty soon when I graduate from my two year college, I'm enlisting in the marines as an infantryman, and considering how much I like shooting rifles and practice target shooting, I'll probably try out for the scout-snipers while I'm there. You can try out until you're blue in the face but as a general rule of thumb you cant be a Scout Sniper or even Recon until you've served 4 years. Both require a LOT of extra training which can take years to complete. My plans are to get my degree at the two year, enlist, do my tour, and when I get back, go to a university using the marine scholarships and then med school for surgery. This is an utterly terrible idea. If you're joining the military with a specific goal of doing 4 then getting out and going to college, Do Not Join The Marines! I can't stress this enough. Joining the Marines is not something you do for college. There's a reason there's a saying "Marines aren't made, they're born." It's because being a Marine is something that sticks with you for the rest of your life but it's also not for everyone. If you're absolutely, 1000000% positive you want to be a Marine then feel free to attempt to bootcamp. If you make it through you'll be left with a sense of pride and accomplishment that will stick with you for the rest of your life. That being said, if you are only interested in 4 years then still pick something besides infantry. If your schooling doesn't work out...if any infinite number of things happen to make you change your plans then going infantry will not leave you with many options. You could become law enforcement of some kind, body guard, government agency etc but let's face it. There's not a lot of jobs out there that look for the qualifications of being able to hump 150lbs of weaponry, water and supplies 20-25 miles in a day. Someone else earlier said you should join the Navy as a Corpsman. This is an excellent idea. You will get a shitload of training that will count as credits towards various medical degrees. You can become attached to a Marine unit which will result in you being, more or less, a Marine. Docs are extremely respected and very well liked in general. (Unless he/she is just a shitbag person obviously.) I really don't know what more to say without talking to you and hearing what you really want to do. But just from your op it sounds like you might have a skewed view of things. My absolute best advice to you is to take almost nothing your recruiter says to heart. They will tell you what you want to hear, at the end of the day they have a quota to meet and you're just another number to them. My own recruiter fucked me pretty well and flat out lied to me and you'll hear the same from more than just me if you start asking around. If you have any more questions or concerns please feel free to send me a PM and i'll do my best to talk to ya. I've been out for a few years now but i'm sure not much has changed Wish you all the best, Semper Fi | ||
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
anyways good luck in the marines man! don't forget to stim! and stay with the medivacs | ||
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TriumpHisme
United States97 Posts
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