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HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
June 24 2011 17:46 GMT
#1
This has been a fairly hot topic in recent weeks. I'm just going to offer my thoughts on it as a viewer.

I'm 26 years old and I have a 5 year old son. We play SC2 together.

I personally don't really give a shit about the mature rating. There are far more pressing concerns to me as a parent than a roach eating a marine in a video game. When we play together, we don't focus on the slaughtering. We focus on the basic strategies. We focus on what units are good in certain situations. We focus on making more bases, and more workers.

I don't however let him listen to music with an abundance of profanity, or certain streamers, because he doesn't understand context yet. It is of course not appropriate for a 5 year old to trot off to school and call his teacher a faggot, or say fuck or shit, etc. That's why I don't really listen to it around him. I am doing my job as a parent by limiting and monitoring his exposure to this type of material.

So why are people getting uppity about Destiny and his use of profanity? What is profanity? The original meaning of the adjective profane (Latin: "in front of", "outside the temple") referred to items not belonging to the church. Is Destiny religious? Pretty sure that's a no. To say that he is representing Esports and therefore has a responsibility to present a certain image is a little silly, because I don't think that is his intent.

If people are offended by a TV show, they turn it off. If it's a movie, they walk out. If it's a stream, and it's offending you, why are you watching it?





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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 17:59:49
June 24 2011 17:56 GMT
#2
Hit reply instead of edit. My bad
It is what it is...
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:01:00
June 24 2011 17:58 GMT
#3
You are right that peiple don't have to watch. I personally am not offended by destiny, but i know where other people are coming from. I think the biggest problem of destiny's image is that he is represnting starcraft and esports. He was interviewed by forbes magazine, and that brings attention to the community. Wether if its his intent or not doesnt matter. He accepted the interview. What if someone interested in sponsoring esports goes to watch his stream only because want to associate there company with a vulagar person like destiny, and the community he supposedly "represents". The interested sponsor could see destiny as an imagine of the larger community, and that would hinder the potential growth of esports. Wether he intends to be a large community figure is not important. A large majority of people promoted him to his position. Maybe the "blame" doesnt rest on him, but instead on the large part
It is what it is...
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
June 24 2011 18:04 GMT
#4
Except that Destiny isn't the sole representative of esports. People like Incontrol or Day9 represent the shit out of SC2 in a business sense. Day9 has even dropped a fuck or a shit during a daily. That's just the way some people speak. You can't split hairs and say that it's ok for Day9 to say fuck and then turn around to give Destiny a hard time for saying faggot.

KellyMilkies was interviewed for a magazine where the focus was on her getting heckled by people for her casting at the GSL. If you ask me, the community itself is detrimental to eports when shit like that happens. Just seems like people are looking for a scape goat.
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:15:31
June 24 2011 18:13 GMT
#5
You are right. The problem is people unfamiliar with the community will come and see a stream of destiny and quickly dismiss the group as a whole as a bunch of immature gamers. These "people" im talking about could be potential sponsors. Of course, this community is fantastic with amazing people including destiny, but first impression's are crucial. You could see how soneone who is introduced to starcraft by day9 and one that sees destiny first would get a hugely different impression. It is narrow minded of people to think that destiny represents all of us, but it doesnt matter to them, only us.

Ps I apologize for typos and such. I am on my iphone because no tl at work
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
June 24 2011 18:22 GMT
#6
Theres a few groups of people on here that I just don't understand.....

Religious people, ESPORTS MAINSTREAM GOGOGOGGO STOP RUINING IT people, the language people, Haters that look at a pro losing A GAME and saying he's trash and won't even make it again and all the other bullshit that people say about pro gamers.

My god, honestly I really hate a lot of those people.

Thanks for not being one of them mr OP.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:28:43
June 24 2011 18:27 GMT
#7
On June 25 2011 03:13 Dance. wrote:
You are right. The problem is people unfamiliar with the community will come and see a stream of destiny and quickly dismiss the group as a whole as a bunch of immature gamers. These "people" im talking about could be potential sponsors.

Sponsors don't just go around looking for things to throw money at like a game of "duck duck goose". You have to approach them and convince them that you're worthy of their money, like compLexity does.

Destiny (semi-)amicably broke with the team that acquired him because he very well knew this fact and did not want to have to change his behaviour because of the team's necessity to obtain sponsorship. As long as Destiny does not ruin anyone else's ability to be sponsored he can do whatever he wants.
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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:36:46
June 24 2011 18:28 GMT
#8
Agreed. I actually miss when starcraft was a niche thing. I could care less if gaming is still looked at like child's play. It's their loss.

Sponsors don't just go around looking for things to throw money at like a game of "duck duck goose". You have to approach them and convince them that you're worthy of their money, like CompLexity does.


Im not trying to get into an argument here, because I don't care. I am just trying to explain where others are coming from as I see it. Sure, sponsors arent lookin to hand money out, but if they were to try to do research or someone new and interested in the community were to come across destiny as their introduction it would leave a sour taste. Part of the community really wants esports to be accpted by the broader community, so many sponsors they try to aquire wont know what to expect.
It is what it is...
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
June 24 2011 18:48 GMT
#9
Sponsors aren't a single group. Some sponsors care about image, others not so much. To say that one persons stream will influence the majority of sponsors away from sports makes about as much sense as saying a single white person represents all while people. Nevermind the fact that everyone is different, I'm white and he's white so we're the same? Don't think so.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:54:09
June 24 2011 18:53 GMT
#10
I have no idea why you think someone doing research on eSports as an investment would A) happen upon Destiny as a first impression and/or B) consider Destiny representative of the thing that they are investing in.

Again, Destiny LEFT a team because he knew it might affect their ability to obtain sponsorship.
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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
June 24 2011 19:43 GMT
#11
I don't understand how you people don't understand why some prominent member in the community yelling "nigger" and "faggot" might have a negative impact on the image of the community of Starcraft. I was just trying to explain where others were coming from, not giving my thoughts on the argument.

Argue with someone who cares.
It is what it is...
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:58:47
June 24 2011 19:57 GMT
#12
A million and one musicians have said X expletive, why is one streamer the basis for a judgement like this?

And again, said streamer isn't running around yelling "nigger and faggot". Context matters. Any potential sponsor should know this, and if they don't, you probably don't want them as a sponsor.
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
June 24 2011 20:13 GMT
#13
Are you not aware of the stigma that surrounds all gamers? The majority of the world thinks we are all just a bunch of immature lazy pieces of shit that lives in our parent's basement. Of course that is not true, especially in this community full of successful engineers, doctors, and lawyers.

Do musicians have that stigma? People want esports to be taken seriously, and probably the biggest obstacle is that we have to be taken seriously. Most of us knows that Destiny is not a bad person and he is a great part of the community, but for the majority of the ignorant outside world, he's just a stereotype.
It is what it is...
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 24 2011 20:16 GMT
#14
On June 25 2011 05:13 Dance. wrote:
Are you not aware of the stigma that surrounds all gamers? The majority of the world thinks we are all just a bunch of immature lazy pieces of shit that lives in our parent's basement. Of course that is not true, especially in this community full of successful engineers, doctors, and lawyers.

What? Gamers are a highly-sought-after demographic of 20-30-year-old male consumers with above-average disposable income.

I think you're confusing marketing executives with your local PTA.
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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 20:22:32
June 24 2011 20:22 GMT
#15
On June 25 2011 05:16 bonifaceviii wrote:
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On June 25 2011 05:13 Dance. wrote:
Are you not aware of the stigma that surrounds all gamers? The majority of the world thinks we are all just a bunch of immature lazy pieces of shit that lives in our parent's basement. Of course that is not true, especially in this community full of successful engineers, doctors, and lawyers.

What? Gamers are a highly-sought-after demographic of 20-30-year-old male consumers with above-average disposable income.


...and why do you think they target us?
It is what it is...
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 24 2011 20:23 GMT
#16
Because we have money?
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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
June 24 2011 20:24 GMT
#17
Dig a little deeper, my friend.
It is what it is...
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
June 24 2011 20:35 GMT
#18
Do musicians have that stigma? People want esports to be taken seriously, and probably the biggest obstacle is that we have to be taken seriously. Most of us knows that Destiny is not a bad person and he is a great part of the community, but for the majority of the ignorant outside world, he's just a stereotype.


Rappers today have the stigma of being drug slingin' gangsters
Rockers have the stigma of being angry stoners
People on Jersey Shore have a stigma of being "guidos and guidettes" or whatever, you get my point.

Yet all these things are taken seriously, so much so that they make a living off of it. Weird.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 24 2011 20:36 GMT
#19
Moral of this thread: Destiny needs his own reality show, for eSports' sake.
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