First of all, a quick introduction is needed. I am a long-time lurker on TL, and I decided to make an account a while ago. I never really found a reason to post much until now. I followed BW since 2008 or so, and now I am a fan of both SC2 and BW.
Anyways, I am a long-time vegetarian (20 years, i.e. my entire life), and I have recently made the decision to start eating meat. I am doing so because I am somewhat tired of taking vitamin supplements and because I just want to eat more protein in an efficient manner (for gaining muscle mass). I am not going to start eating 5 servings of meat every day or something; I am just gonna start mixing a little meat into my normal diet (which is low on protein and iron at the moment).
Can you guys give me some advice about this transition? Here are a few questions (answer them as you please)...
1. What type of meat is the healthiest to eat? (I'm thinking chicken, turkey, and fish to start) 2. What type of cuts should I eat? (e.g. ground meat, breast, etc.) 3. What meat/brands should I avoid?
tl;dr I was a vegetarian, but now I am going to start eating meat for health reasons. What is your advice?
Go eat a medium rare steak, it will the most satisfying experience of your 20 years of life. You can do all that other stuff you were talking about too, but eat a steak first.
Try all sorts of meats IMO. You gain different things from each. Chicken and fish are probably the healthiest and least fatty; while beef is a good source of iron and protein.
Well since you were a vegetarian for 20 years i would suggest eating at first dishes with a bit of meat. think off spagetti bolognese that alike. Furthermore chicken would be a good thing to start with but it hasn't got alot of taste. Be always sure to kook the chicken till there's absolutely no pink in it or you could be of risk to salmonella. Filets may be your first choice but there's a great chance it will taste dry. I'm more of a beef person myself. Fish can be very healthy if you don't overdo it. 1 time in 2 weeks should be enough to get your omega's and stuff
On March 23 2011 06:06 Gatsbi wrote: Go eat a medium rare steak, it will the most satisfying experience of your 20 years of life. You can do all that other stuff you were talking about too, but eat a steak first.
20 years of not metabolizing animal protein would destroy him
Chicken breast and fish (particularly talapia and salmon fillets) are good starts and pretty healthy.
Chicken breast is the most bland of the meats so it shouldn't overwhelm you with flavour, be sure to season it.
The only ground meat that's any good is extra lean ground beef, it tastes pretty much the same but has way less fat, on par with chicken breast.
When you work yourself up to steak (T-bone/Porterhouse, Strip Loin, Rib Eye, Tenderloin are all good, Sirloin is a bit tougher but cheaper), you're in for a treat. They're a bit tricky to cook properly though, ideally you don't want as high a temperature, but to cook longer, since steaks are quite thick and the outsides will burn before the middle is cooked if you use too high a heat. You can trim the thicker fat and gristle on these either before or after cooking, I think it's easier to trim after cooking personally.
You can always cut the chicken breast or steak into thin slices (kinda hard, easier to do semi-frozen) and stir fry them, tossing them into a salad. Thaw frozen meat in the fridge over ~24 hours, don't leave it on the counter or in the sink.
Wash your hands, counters, cutting boards, knives very well because meat is more likely to carry pathogenic bacteria than vegetables.
There aren't really brands to avoid. Just try to buy meat on sale, it's expensive. Often value packs are cheaper than smaller portions, and you have to freeze some. Freeze the raw meat in ziplock freezer bags, don't freeze cooked meat. It's easiest to buy meat at the major grocery chains, they tend to be very sanitary.
I don't know what you mean by "healthiest", but fish is a good place to start, then poultry, then the red meat, then the holyness that is sushi, but don't eat it more than twice a week. Also you NEED to try beef jerky, our caveman ancestors created it and it is one of the tastiest accidents next to peanut butter + chocolate.
After eating good meat you will never stop... ever.
Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
Also meat is ok raw too, just not rotten, and all freshwater fish/shrimp are edible raw.
Try a Medium rare steak like the first poster said because steak is really great and you should try it, but for health chicken, fish, and turkey are the least fattest, but you should try a few kinds and see what you like, dont eat too rare of ground beef, and dont eat too cooked non ground meat.
On March 23 2011 06:11 RolleMcKnolle wrote: I heard a lot of people are throwing up, whenever eating meat, after being vegetarian for quite some time.
quite plausibe given the fact that his stomach hasnt had to"stomach" (hehe) any meat for the last 20 yrs. as such you should take it very slowly. i eat mostly chicken and turkey, with the odd slice of beef intertwined on account of poultry being lean meat with very little fat and thus a lot healthier at least in fat terms. i find pork to be pretty dull and boring and usually contains too much fat for my liking. i eat a lot of tofu as well, which you could incorporate into your diet as well if you want to have a smooth transition into meateating by eating something that comes close to meat in appearance and form (if you prepare it appropriately).
On March 23 2011 06:11 RolleMcKnolle wrote: I heard a lot of people are throwing up, whenever eating meat, after being vegetarian for quite some time.
I can't speak to personal experience, but my sister is a long term vegetarian and she can instantly tell whenever something has any bit of meat in it and she's no longer able to really chew or process it without feeling sick.
So yeah I'd start slow. Maybe start by eating stuff made using chicken/beef stock if you don't already.
I avoided meat for five years and then broke it with chicken, followed twenty minutes later by stomach pains and an extended trip to the toilet so you've got that to look forwards to. Don't open with steak, work your way up to it, otherwise you'll waste that first steak experience.
On March 23 2011 06:18 KwarK wrote: I avoided meat for five years and then broke it with chicken, followed twenty minutes later by stomach pains and an extended trip to the toilet so you've got that to look forwards to. Don't open with steak, work your way up to it.
yupyup. fish and seafood first. then work up to small portions of chicken up to full portions of chicken. red meats should absolutely be last on the list. they will wreck you if you just dive in
Meat can be particularly rough on your system if you aren't accustomed to it. That in mind, take it VERY SLOW.
1. Any lean meat can be considered healthy. For a newcomer, I'd stick with something a bit on the lighter side (turkey, chicken, fish, etc). You can work your way up gradually to the more delicious stuff like beef, lamb, and the ultimate, pork.
2. Depends on the cuisine and dish you'll be preparing it with. Why not start of with some sort of pasta and throw in shredded or diced meat? If you're making a sandwich, you may want deli slices or whole breasts of chicken. It's really up to you.
3. Obviously don't immediately jump into the suggestions other TL'ers above listed. I guarantee you will awful if you go straight to a steak, hamburger, bacon, pork belly, etc. Moderation is key.
turkey and chicken is definitely healthy and low on fat, red meat is not healthy at all. fish is also good but can be high on fat depending on what species you buy.
Personally the best meat I have ever eaten was roast saddle of venison at a bio restaurant, also very low on fat and delicious when served medium rare.
if you're eating the right portions it won't matter what kind your eating to a degree, I assume you're also working out or something if you're trying to gain muscle mass.
Also; for "brands" let me just recommend organic / local / free range
Also to posters: everyone who is recommending Steak / beef jerky / burgers please see Binky1842 and RolleMcKnolle's posts, you can't just eat whatever meat you want after being a vegetarian for so long.
I guess you won't know till you try, but I don't think going straight for a big steak is the best idea, your body isn't used to digesting meat and that may make you feel unwell. While extremely delicious, I'm not so sure that you would immediately have the same appreciation for it if you have never had meat.
I would suggest having some nice tender chicken breast first. Be sure to cook chicken until the juice runs clear (no pink) because uncooked chicken can give you salmonella poisoning. Definitely try a nice cut of beef sirloin steak, medium rare is really good. Pork is also worth trying too, lots of different flavors in the different cuts and treatments.
On March 23 2011 06:06 Gatsbi wrote: Go eat a medium rare steak, it will the most satisfying experience of your 20 years of life. You can do all that other stuff you were talking about too, but eat a steak first.
Medium rare? Took me years to get used to eating that... Start out with something Well done, or atleast medium well.
Burger meat is actually quite awful by itself, I'm not sure if that flavor will overpower is you're not used to meat...
I'd say start out with a chicken sallad or something like that.
Bird or fish, then pork, then beef, and finally lamb would be my recomendation order.
Maybe because my mum never made me lamb, ever, but once when I had it, the taste was so overpowering it was hardly edible... just tasted like wool smells...
I don't know what you mean by "healthiest", but fish is a good place to start, then poultry, then the red meat, then the holyness that is sushi, but don't eat it more than twice a week. Also you NEED to try beef jerky, our caveman ancestors created it and it is one of the tastiest accidents next to peanut butter + chocolate.
After eating good meat you will never stop... ever.
Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
Also meat is ok raw too, just not rotten, and all freshwater fish/shrimp are edible raw.
As someone who grew up on a farm, I was taught this as a 4 year old... When all other parts have been butchered, you take the remainders and grind them up and make minced meat or sausages out of it.
"hey i'm a 20 year vegetarian, what meat to get first" - "steak obviously! its the best there is!"
its like .. "hey, so my bike broke last week and i decided to get something engine-powered, what to buy?" - "well try a fully armored tank for starters, its the most fun evarrrr!"
suuuuuuure x)
-> absolutely agree on take something easy first, chicken or fish sounds fine, maybe try to just put some small pieces into a salad or something, to smooth in. Maybe you can avoid most of the throwing up stuff that way.
Red meat is super tasty, I think lamb is the most delicious; beef is kind of bland actually, unless you go with cuts with lots of fat (like rib eye) or organic.
Fish can be tasty if you like seafood; white meat from a chicken is ultra boring, always go with dark!
Go to a Greek restaurant and order a mixed grill. That way you get to taste all kinds of different meat, and you will be able to make up your own mind on what you like.
I recommend you to stay the hell away from pork. Out of all the "standard" meat, pork is one of the most unsanitary and unhealthy food you'll ever come across.
Other than that, I'd start with grilled chicken breasts and work your way up from there.
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
There is a order to wich parts you butcher first. You start with the filé, since that's valued the most etc...
And as I edited in my earlier reply, when everything is butchered, you take the leftovers and grind them up into minced meat or sausages.
As has been said multiple times, start with a small amount of a "lighter" meat. Having never digested any meat in your life, it will be incredibly difficult for you to digest meat efficiently at first.
Go to a Brazilian BBQ place and keep that little mofo on green until you enter a meat coma. I call it the meat-baptism. After that come back here and we'll welcome you into the family.
On March 23 2011 06:49 Zim23 wrote: Go to a Brazilian BBQ place and keep that little mofo on green until you enter a meat coma. I call it the meat-baptism. After that come back here and we'll welcome you into the family.
Hahaha those places are so awesome, he'd probably die though.
On March 23 2011 06:54 jimmyjingle wrote: I recommend just a little wine or beer with your first meat man. makes it go down easier, and your tummy can deal with it better.
any chance you could take a video of your first bite? *o*
Meat porn huh? Never got into it myself but I get where you're coming from.
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
Maybe just have some light stuff before you hit the steaks. Maybe sushi/sashimi if you think you'd like fish. Or just have a dish with meat in it instead of "oh I'll go eat a 12 oz steak immediately." Like a pasta or something.
Tell us how it goes! I've been lacto-ovo vegetarian for about 2 years now so I wanna see if you get sick or anything if you scarf down a steak.
Steak is the tastiest though, but work your way up to it. You can skip out on burgers, they aren't that tasty.
Ummmm, eating meat probably won't let you get protein in a more efficient manner. Yes, there is quite a bit of protein in meats, particularly like chicken, but it's nothing compared to those protein powders.
That said, you should definitely start off slow like everyone else is saying. However, once your digestive system gets accustomed to it, move on to the big leagues. Try some very nice cuts of steak (New York Strip is nice, Filet Mignon is great). Also, never order one of those nice cuts at anything above a medium. I prefer medium-rare, and I have a friend who gets everything rare (I've tried it once, and it's not bad). For nice cuts of meat, though, it's basically a waste to get it medium-well or well-done. With ground beef and burger meat, you can definitely get it medium-well, and in fact you should, because that's where you're more likely to get foodborne illness if it's not cooked well enough. However, it's much less likely with high quality cuts of steak.
When you get the chance move up to lamb. It is definitely an under consumed meat in America and is very good when cooked correctly. But yeah follow other TLers advice about taking meat intake slowly. Dont eat a medium rare steak. Lol.
Start with chicken, I'd say. Try to find free-range chicken, no hormones, non-grain fed. When you move up to beef, same thing. Hormone free, grass fed beef is the healthiest in regards to omega-3/omega-6 fatty acid balance.
This may seem weird, but I'd suggest you try deli meats, or something smoked, first. Something like beef jerkey or smoked salmon wouldn't be a bad start.
Your body is going to have to adjust to eating meat, so you need to take it slowly. Those types of meats will be far easier for you to adjust to than simply diving right into a delicious, thick, medium-rare porterhouse.
After that, go for leaner meats, such as pork, chicken, turkey, fish, and really, really lean beef. After that, you can start getting into shellfish, fattier cuts of beef, lamb, bacon, etc.
On March 23 2011 06:54 jimmyjingle wrote: I recommend just a little wine or beer with your first meat man. makes it go down easier, and your tummy can deal with it better.
any chance you could take a video of your first bite? *o*
Lol, I think I'll probably skip the video thing...
@Everyone who posted,
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll probably start small and then (eventually) work my up to a medium-rare steak! :D
Oh, deli meats are a very good idea. Just super thin slices of ham, turkey, salami, etc. Make a sandwich with it or something. I imagine that would be pretty easy on your stomach.
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
Well, in America(USDA) is is NOT an urban myth, there is different grades of meat for different types and different purposes. It is like saying every steak will be the same, or every filet mingon is the same amount of lean-ness or marbling. Your country may not grade your meat, but that doesn't mean it is an urban myth.
Whatever you do, do NOT go to a fast food place, and buy their biggest burger after running 3 miles and not eating meat in over 10 years. My friend did that, and it was not pretty. Hell even the stupid skater kids that eat that shit all day every day had a hard time with that challenge xD.
What you should do is what most people are saying, go very light early. A sandwich with a slice of turkey or maybe two would be pretty good, chicken and rice is amazing, easy as hell to make, and a good way of judging how much meat goes in.
After a few months or so, when you can eat a piece of meat by itself and not feel sick, buy yourself a fucking steak. Like, a filet mignon (sure it costs like 20 $ for 2 or 3 little tiny steaks but it is the best meat on the planet IMO)
Get that shit medium rare/meduimish and eat it and remember, for good steak salt and pepper are ALL you need.
I would not recommend a steak for the first time. Steak is usually more enjoyable for more experienced meat eaters kinda like how sushi is for people that really like fish. I would get some chicken wings.
On March 23 2011 06:06 Gatsbi wrote: Go eat a medium rare steak, it will the most satisfying experience of your 20 years of life. You can do all that other stuff you were talking about too, but eat a steak first.
20 years of not metabolizing animal protein would destroy him
Well. A medium rare steak is real tasty once his gut can handle it. Start with chicken.
I have no problem with eating meat overall (chicken, fish, beef, not pork tho since it's really not available in Turkey and I'm not used to it) but I just hate lamb. So, my advice, don't start with lamb. It might be different for you as in flavour, but I know some other people who don't like it too, and chances are you also might not like it.
My advice: Fish is the best thing that has ever came to the world in terms of meat. It is healthy, tasty, very low in fat and fish oil is really really good for your body. Start with something regular, and work your way up. Really, any fish is tasty. I have yet to find something that tastes bad which comes from the sea. If you want to go for something big when you're ready, the steak of the fish cuisine is probably Turbot. There is a place here in Turkey that cooks it on charcoal as a whole, which tastes almighty great. This however, would probably be too much for your body as other people suggested. It might not be available where you live, but I heard it's cooked in other European countries aswell. If you have the chance, just go for it. You won't be disappointed. As for beginning, I recommend some fish soup with boiled fish, vegetables, onion and some other ingredients which I know forget, you can check it up from the net. Fish is awesome in any shape though, I'm a fish maniac.
After that, comes the chicken. Nice, low-fat, rich in protein and when cooked well, has a really nice flavour. Don't be afraid to try chicken. Don't eat its skin though, its almost all fat and is not good for your body as all useless fat are.
Then, the bigbrother, red meat. It is awesome. Beef tenderloin is my favourite. Well cooked beef tenderloin feels like you're in heaven, especially with some nice sauces, but even alone, it is great when grilled. As its name suggests, it is the most tender part of the beef since it comes from a particular muscle, which does very little work. When you're ready, just go for it.
LOL at all the "EAT A STEAK!" As if its like you haven't had sex before so you should do 4 chicks at once. I'd start off REAL slow on very small amounts of meat like chicken or fish and slowly work your way up.
I imagine you won't be sick if its very small amounts. We're talking a finger sized piece of meat or even less a day.
Well, you don't need to take suppliments and you don't need meat for protein. And meat is really bad for you, all types.
The idea that someone would actually eat meat for health reasons confuses me deeply. Like just the fact that it's going to rape your system when you start should be reason enough not to.
On March 23 2011 07:56 Piy wrote: Well, you don't need to take suppliments and you don't need meat for protein. And meat is really bad for you, all types.
The idea that someone would actually eat meat for health reasons confuses me deeply. Like just the fact that it's going to rape your system when you start should be reason enough not to.
Yeah, even if you could stomach a steak I don't think you would enjoy it much at all. I was vegetarian for a large portion of my childhood and I really don't have a big appreciation for steak. I generally am not a big fan of very meat heavy dinners still (even though it's been about 10 years since I started eating meat regularily). I would recommend having things like stirfrys with small amounts of chicken or something.
On March 23 2011 08:08 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Rosemary and honey rack of lamb, dude. Best orgasm you'll ever have.
Work up to it though.
Hmmm, my mouth starts watering even from hearing it. i wouldn't reccomend it for him in the first jear though. I just realized some salmon on toast would be a nice starter and move on from there
The people advising a steak are retarded. Start slow and work your way up. And even then, stick with well-done steaks until you want to maybe try the idea of rare/medium rare.
Like everyone has been saying start small with chicken/turkey/fish, but man if you havent had bacon in 20 years i feel bad for you. When your stomach is able to handle it go out to the market and grab yourself some bacon. Your welcome.
On March 23 2011 10:49 Dhalphir wrote: The people advising a steak are retarded. Start slow and work your way up. And even then, stick with well-done steaks until you want to maybe try the idea of rare/medium rare.
Dude, you can tell people you disagree with them without calling them retards.
OP, I'd stick with fish if I were you. No real reason to eat red meat or chicken when you can eat fish. Fatty fishes like salmon are full of healthy fats, vitamins and protein. Compared to beef, they are a much much healthier source of the things you're looking for by reincorporating meat into your diet.
Good luck! Wanna go in depth as to how you've spent 20 years as a vegetarian? I'm at about 1/10 of that. Was that since birth?
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
Well, in America(USDA) is is NOT an urban myth, there is different grades of meat for different types and different purposes. It is like saying every steak will be the same, or every filet mingon is the same amount of lean-ness or marbling. Your country may not grade your meat, but that doesn't mean it is an urban myth.
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
Well, in America(USDA) is is NOT an urban myth, there is different grades of meat for different types and different purposes. It is like saying every steak will be the same, or every filet mingon is the same amount of lean-ness or marbling. Your country may not grade your meat, but that doesn't mean it is an urban myth.
"There are thirteen (13) beef grades in the Canadian system. They are Canada A, Canada AA, Canada AAA, Canada Prime, Canada B1, Canada B2, Canada B3, Canada B4, Canada D1, Canada D2, Canada D3, Canada D4, and Canada E. The four Canada A/AA/AAA/Prime grades are the highest quality Canadian grades and represented 88% of all graded beef in 2008." http://www.cbef.com/beefquality.htm
Supporting you not disagreeing. Meat that is not fit to serve does NOT get put on to the shelves as for some reason people worry about...
From what I know, if a long time vergeterian starts to eat meat. You will find meat quite "disgusting". Just try to mix some chicken with your salad or something. Steaks are need to be avoided. GL HF man, i don't understand why people avoid meat if they are not a monk :D. Meat is FUN.
On March 23 2011 14:04 Caphe wrote: From what I know, if a long time vergeterian starts to eat meat. You will find meat quite "disgusting". Just try to mix some chicken with your salad or something. Steaks are need to be avoided. GL HF man, i don't understand why people avoid meat if they are not a monk :D. Meat is FUN.
Fairly good advice - start slow and work your way up. If you take things slowly, and don't overreact to some stomach pains, you should be good in a little amount of time (I think).
On March 23 2011 11:44 Lexpar wrote: Good luck! Wanna go in depth as to how you've spent 20 years as a vegetarian? I'm at about 1/10 of that. Was that since birth?
Yeah I've been a vegetarian since birth. I was vegetarian for religious reasons at first (relating to Hinduism), but then I became an atheist. At that point, I was only a vegetarian because it was a part of my routine. Now, I feel the need to move on from that and try new things in life.
On March 23 2011 11:44 Lexpar wrote: Good luck! Wanna go in depth as to how you've spent 20 years as a vegetarian? I'm at about 1/10 of that. Was that since birth?
Yeah I've been a vegetarian since birth. I was vegetarian for religious reasons at first (relating to Hinduism), but then I became an atheist. At that point, I was only a vegetarian because it was a part of my routine. Now, I feel the need to move on from that and try new things in life.
I think it's just convenient for you to get accustomed to eating meat. Even if you're perfectly healthy without it, it just opens up a lot of dining options at restaurants, grocery stores, etc. I went to a dim sum restaurant with a group of friends, one of which was a vegetarian, and considering how much meat Cantonese dim sum has, she was limited to very few dishes.
On March 23 2011 07:56 Piy wrote: Well, you don't need to take suppliments and you don't need meat for protein. And meat is really bad for you, all types.
The idea that someone would actually eat meat for health reasons confuses me deeply. Like just the fact that it's going to rape your system when you start should be reason enough not to.
If meat is bad for you in all types you obviously don't understand how humans evolved and the power of cooking. As far as meat that is pretty good for someone who is inactive etc, probably just running with something lean will do. People say oh fish, chicken over things like cow pig horse etc but in reality it's closer to proportions and how you prep the food. Cover your fish in 1000 types of dressing and cook it with crap all over it and it will be pretty delightful for you to eat, but probably not the best thing in the world to eat on a regular basis.
On March 23 2011 06:14 Terrakin wrote: Also, for the do not eat part, do NOT eat chain fast food meat unless it is chicken. Recently they found out the grade in the ground beef at taco bell was lower quality than dog food ( although there is some really nice dog food out there lol..) and some woman kept a mcdonalds cheeseburger for like 20 years or something with no mold or deterioration...
This is an urban myth. There is no such thing as a meat grade.
Well, in America(USDA) is is NOT an urban myth, there is different grades of meat for different types and different purposes. It is like saying every steak will be the same, or every filet mingon is the same amount of lean-ness or marbling. Your country may not grade your meat, but that doesn't mean it is an urban myth.
Woot USDA thank the jungle whos point was the plight of the working man in the meat industry but what people got from it, omfg that's how they prep the food i'm eating.
I'd try something basic like chicken noodle soup, or pepperoni pizza. Both are pretty good and I think should be fairly easy on you. Just make sure the pizza isn't super greasy.
Can't imagine not having eaten meat. Have it in at least two meals a day.
My guess is your stomach will have a bit of a wtf reaction to all the protein. If you eat a lot of meat early morning your stomach can react kind of violently to it, makes you feel sick.
Start with chicken, move onto casserole/stew beef. Then go for a steak. Then start hitting the venison.
On March 23 2011 07:56 Piy wrote: Well, you don't need to take suppliments and you don't need meat for protein. And meat is really bad for you, all types.
The idea that someone would actually eat meat for health reasons confuses me deeply. Like just the fact that it's going to rape your system when you start should be reason enough not to.
dude looks mad unhealthy
How could meat be unhealthy lol? Humans are designed/evolved to eat meat and you can NOT be in perfect shape without lots and lots of meat.
On March 23 2011 07:56 Piy wrote: Well, you don't need to take suppliments and you don't need meat for protein. And meat is really bad for you, all types.
The idea that someone would actually eat meat for health reasons confuses me deeply. Like just the fact that it's going to rape your system when you start should be reason enough not to.
dude looks mad unhealthy
How could meat be unhealthy lol? Humans are designed/evolved to eat meat and you can NOT be in perfect shape without lots and lots of meat.
so many things wrong in all of the above?
of course you don't need to take supplements and you don't need meat to have adequate protein, but you gotta really plan your vegetarian diet very well and be very careful about it. it's not just protein that's an issue if you go vegetarian.
and how is meat going to rape your system? i'm gonna postulate that it's more of a psychological thing than anything, i don't see how your body can un-adapt to being able to digest meat well. the digestive tract has a very large reserve digestive capability to begin with, and almost everybody produces the same digestive enzymes. i don't see how the vegetarians are physiologically different from meat-eaters. whenever you eat meat i'm sure your body will be able to cope with it no problem.
and obviously to the above post, it is clearly possible to be in really good shape without "lots and lots of meat". that's just absurd.
anyway, some on-topic advice, my girlfriend was vegetarian for many many years until she decided it was inconvenient, so we started with me buying her a box of chicken mcnuggets. haha. most un-meaty, processed garbage ever, but that was quite a manageable starting point for her.
a few weeks later she went on a holiday with her family to mongolia and she said all the meals served there were largely meat dishes, and she had no problems coping at all.
so to the OP i wouldn't really worry that much, sure, everybody's saying take it slow, eat tiny amounts to start off, but i'm sure you just need to get your mind used to the idea of it and you'll have no problems at all
On March 23 2011 07:56 Piy wrote: Well, you don't need to take suppliments and you don't need meat for protein. And meat is really bad for you, all types.
The idea that someone would actually eat meat for health reasons confuses me deeply. Like just the fact that it's going to rape your system when you start should be reason enough not to.
dude looks mad unhealthy
How could meat be unhealthy lol? Humans are designed/evolved to eat meat and you can NOT be in perfect shape without lots and lots of meat.
so many things wrong in all of the above?
of course you don't need to take supplements and you don't need meat to have adequate protein, but you gotta really plan your vegetarian diet very well and be very careful about it. it's not just protein that's an issue if you go vegetarian.
and how is meat going to rape your system? i'm gonna postulate that it's more of a psychological thing than anything, i don't see how your body can un-adapt to being able to digest meat well. the digestive tract has a very large reserve digestive capability to begin with, and almost everybody produces the same digestive enzymes. i don't see how the vegetarians are physiologically different from meat-eaters. whenever you eat meat i'm sure your body will be able to cope with it no problem.
and obviously to the above post, it is clearly possible to be in really good shape without "lots and lots of meat". that's just absurd.
anyway, some on-topic advice, my girlfriend was vegetarian for many many years until she decided it was inconvenient, so we started with me buying her a box of chicken mcnuggets. haha. most un-meaty, processed garbage ever, but that was quite a manageable starting point for her.
a few weeks later she went on a holiday with her family to mongolia and she said all the meals served there were largely meat dishes, and she had no problems coping at all.
so to the OP i wouldn't really worry that much, sure, everybody's saying take it slow, eat tiny amounts to start off, but i'm sure you just need to get your mind used to the idea of it and you'll have no problems at all
When you don't eat meat for years, and for the OP's case if you have never had meat before, then your stomach doesn't create the enzymes required to process meat. It's not a mental thing.
Start off slow, maybe with a chicken & vegetable soup. And be cautious as to how much meat you eat. It can take months for you to be able to process red meats.
If you eat osmething heavy your body will want to kill you, take small amounts of something REALLY light like fish and shellfish and slowly, slowly move up to white meat chicken or lean turkey before going to beef
humans are what is called a mixed feeder. we can eat both meat and plants it all comes down to personal morals and their ethics
humans and omnivores have small mouths - carnivores have big mouths humans and omnivores chew their food - carnivores swallow large chunks humans and omnivores have long intestine tracts - carnivores have short intestine tracts
but also, our stomach has a pH level that allows us to digest meat. our stomach produces hydrochloric acid - omnivores cannot our 2 k9 teeth helps us to rip up meat and other tough foods - omnivores don't have these teeth the pancreas can produce many enzymes that help digest meat and plants. so if someone hasn't eaten meat, in say 20 years, he wont have those enzymes readily available in his intestines. he would need to start slow to build up to a level where he can efficiently digest meat
EPT
. Fish can be very healthy if you don't overdo it. 1 time in 2 weeks should be enough to get your omega's and stuff
![[image loading]](http://typhuongdung.com/tpl/images/stories/kobe-beef.jpeg)
![[image loading]](http://bodybuildingexercises101.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/arnold_schwarzenegger.jpg)
