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sofawall
29 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On February 21 2011 16:36 vek wrote: Hah... I never knew that gun was actually manufactured in Australia. I always assumed it came from somewhere in Europe. Probably at great expense >.> They like to keep manufacturing here because its a strategic asset or something. We also build our own submarines O-o | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On February 21 2011 18:23 madnessman wrote: ![[image loading]](http://en.valka.cz/files/sar21_118.jpg) Singapore's version. It looks baller, it's easy to strip/assemble/clean, the factory 1.5x 'scope' is factory zero-ed, and it's pretty accurate. It's a little bit heavier than a M16 though so that kind of sucks... yeah SAR 21, its a bullpup design and nearly all Singaporean males born in 1987 and later would have used it in the Basic Military Training. Luckily for you guys,i was born in 1987, so i got to play with fresh out of factory SAR21, comes with the new plastic smell. I also had experience with the M16 while assigned to a unit. my experience with weapons are basically the M16 and SAR21. SAR 21:- Pros 1) It is extremely easy to strip/clean/assemble, theres only 4parts to it for a field cleaning and its super easy to reassemble. with practice, i've been able to field strip it in 15secs,assemble in 30. 2) Extremely easy to maintain. Maybe its because im using a brand new rifle, but it never jams, never gave me any sort of trouble. To clean it, i just grease its interior parts liberally, after firing, its clean with just a wipe of the cloth. 3) Superb accuracy- The 1.5x built in scope-handle makes it nearly impossible to miss. in fact you barely need any zeroing. its that good. i put the cross on the target and im assured it will hit. 4) Comes with LAZORS! the barrel has a inbuilt laser aiming device(LAD) that again,make that weapon superbly accurate. by right we're supposed to put the rifle scope close to our eyes and use the laser, but i cheated and fired straight from my chest level. hey! its easier to see where that laser is at night without the scope in the way haha. On February 21 2011 18:40 dogabutila wrote: Singapore's bullpup is the SAR21. Not quite an AUG or derivative. Just because it is another bullpup does not make it related. Have you ever tried reloading one at speed? I like how the designs of bullpup type weapons force you to keep tight, but anybody with training does so instinctively. It really only helps brand new shooters. The design of the platform makes it very awkward to reload at speed. No matter how proficient you become at doing it, you WILL be slower then a traditional M4/AR type platform. 5) the Reloading is actually way easier for this rifle than a M16. Especially if your right handed. you tilt your rifle on one hand to the right,quick release and slap in a new magazine.Yes, you only need to tilt the rifle. The bullpup design made it that the magazine is waaaay easier to reload. Yes i do have comparison. i've used the M16 and the fact that its long,and you have to lift the rifle up to reload in order to prevent jams made it suck hardcore. so no, Bullpup design is way easier to reload. Tilting the rifle and slap in magazine is way easier than lifting the rifle and reloading. And for tight position, the magazine position being at your elbow area inside your arm is a tighter position and easier to bring back up while reloading. Cons 1) it is slightly heavier than a M16(3.8kg)...a SAR21 is 4kg. 2) SAR21 is built for right handers only. theres no left hander's version. for left handers, they have to train with it using their right hand. yeah. for me, M16 is very inaccurate(iron sights,your eye position affects your accuracy tremendously), slow to reload and way too bulky(long). maybe for asian, that lengthy weapon makes it uncomfortable to use for me. i prefer the SAR21 in all aspect. Oh and M16 sucks for night shooting grrr. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On February 21 2011 16:41 aimaimaim wrote: gun reviews always talk about this gun as 'space age design' and i ask, as always, 'does it fire uranium 238 shells? if no, then its not space age in anyway' i consider space age anything invented with technology discovered after humans got shit into space i.e. sputnik so yeah a lot of things that aren't 238 shells are space age dawg | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2762 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:10 Sm3agol wrote: I really see no reason for the US to switch away from the M4. The M4 is really a pretty solid design, and very easily customized. Sure, bullpups look more modern, but that's hardly a reason to switch. The main reason of course, being that war is the way to encourage weapons trade, and M4 is US made I suppose. No point in going to war with other peoples weapons. Gotto make a profit. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On February 21 2011 21:11 dogabutila wrote: To be honest I have very little field experience. Most of mine is urban CQB with a little MOUT and FIBUA/OBUA so we don't really shoot prone and when we do it's urban prone / supine. Having said that, I don't know how one would shoot in a prone supported position with a bullpup. The way I've been taught, you only support your rifle with your elbows when in prone position. It's uncomfortable at first but it isn't too bad when you get used to it. I'm a lot more accurate shooting from prone compared to shooting standing up or kneeling/squatting. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On February 21 2011 21:11 dogabutila wrote: To be honest I have very little field experience. Most of mine is urban CQB with a little MOUT and FIBUA/OBUA so we don't really shoot prone and when we do it's urban prone / supine. Having said that, I don't know how one would shoot in a prone supported position with a bullpup. On February 21 2011 20:12 Zilver wrote: How stable is it to shoot in prone position compared to a standard assault rifle? I can't imagine it being as easy since the mag is behind your handle and that is a major support point, I'm only experienced with firing the valmet rk-62 at 150 meters. wait you prone and shoot with your handle as support? the handle is shorter than the magazine in most standard assault rifle, that mean your magazine is on the floor supporting your rifle too? thats just begging for a weapons jam from what i've experienced(M16). anyway to prone with a bullpup designed rifle is to support it using your elbows. the mag wont be touching the ground,for SAR21 i also cheat by using the handle guard as support so my elbows and arms dont need to take the full weight of the rifle. by design, the magazine shouldnt be touching the ground and causing ammo jams. stability wise its pretty good,or better than a M16. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:37 Navane wrote: The main reason of course, being that war is the way to encourage weapons trade, and M4 is US made I suppose. No point in going to war with other peoples weapons. Gotto make a profit. Yeah, you're probably right. The only reason the US is at war is so some manufacturer can continue to sell M4s. God you USA haters are so pitiful. Why must every thread devolve into a crap-fest on US policy? | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:37 Navane wrote:The main reason of course, being that war is the way to encourage weapons trade, and M4 is US made I suppose. No point in going to war with other peoples weapons. Gotto make a profit. That's just not true. They have a lot of HK weapons in active service, among other stuff like Berreta. I'm pretty sure though that I've read somewhere that they want to replace the M16 with something else. There was the whole OICW program but I don't know where they're at now. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On February 22 2011 00:36 tyr wrote: That's just not true. They have a lot of HK weapons in active service, among other stuff like Berreta. I'm pretty sure though that I've read somewhere that they want to replace the M16 with something else. There was the whole OICW program but I don't know where they're at now. The technology from the OICW was used in other weapons. They made a pretty fucking sweet grenade launcher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25  | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
The only con I see with the bullpup is that it'll be harder to bash someone's head in with it. (Singaporeans : BCCT :D) | ||
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Issor
United States870 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:08 Mithhaike wrote: 5) the Reloading is actually way easier for this rifle than a M16. Especially if your right handed. you tilt your rifle on one hand to the right,quick release and slap in a new magazine.Yes, you only need to tilt the rifle. The bullpup design made it that the magazine is waaaay easier to reload. Yes i do have comparison. i've used the M16 and the fact that its long,and you have to lift the rifle up to reload in order to prevent jams made it suck hardcore. so no, Bullpup design is way easier to reload. Tilting the rifle and slap in magazine is way easier than lifting the rifle and reloading. And for tight position, the magazine position being at your elbow area inside your arm is a tighter position and easier to bring back up while reloading. What? No. When reloading you have to check to make sure the bolt is locked back and it is actually an empty mag and not some other malfunction (ftf fte etc). If you go straight into reload without visual identification then you are asking for a doublefeed at some point. M4 reload: 1) 10 degree tilt left 2) Check extractor / bolt to be sure it is locked back on an empty mag 3) If empty, hit mag release with right hand while tilting gun to an overall 20 degree left tilt. 4) insert new mag, hit pingpong paddle on the way to reassuming firing stance. The fact is that you HAVE to hit the mag release with your offhand means it will be slower 100% of the time. I can go straight for another mag when I identify an empty magazine because I can hit the mag release with my strong hand. In other words, my support hand leaves the weapon to get a new mag once I identify an empty mag. I don't have to deal with shitty AK style quick releases. Then, there is also the awkward positioning of the fire selector. I would much rather have preferred it to be like the tar-21 where you could still hit it with your thumb. Putting it that far back on the weapon was a terrible design decision. | ||
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