EPTfuck the zerg complainers - Page 7
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Liquid`Zephyr
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Sc1pio
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Zerg martyrdom makes the SC2 general forum impossible to read 5/5 | ||
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DoubleZee
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dronebabo
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:48 Trowabarton756 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 03:30 Logo wrote: Don't you see how broken it would be if you had that sort of power. You'd never ever lose PvZ if you could scout that timing. If Zerg drones up and you 4 gate you win (duh), if Zerg doesn't drone up and you 3 gate expand you win. How would that ever be fair? The scouting information you're aiming for is the difference between winning the game and continuing the game. In the Zerg's case it's the difference between losing the game and continuing the game. That's why Zerg players complain it's harder. Expanding on a Zerg who's droning up isn't a loss. If you hold your macro well and apply pressure (6 gate, stargate play, grabbing a 3rd) then you should be able to bring the game into an even state provided you blocked their hatch first attempt. I don't doubt you feel the match up is hard for Protoss, even if I disagree if that's actually the case, but in terms of play it doesn't sound like you're executing really sound strategies and a lot of your losses come from non-mechanical mistakes. Meanwhile, most struggling Zergs don't really ever end up finding better strategies to execute, and instead it's just play better, scout better, know the timings better. You make no fucking sense lol. "Meanwhile, most struggling Zergs don't really ever end up finding better strategies to execute, and instead it's just play better, scout better, know the timings better." isn't related to mechanics eh? So what you're saying that these zergs aren't mechanically proficient? Lol no wonder they are losing, get out of here with this garbage "reasonable" post. Lol, what's hard to understand about it. The improvements Zerg make are about adjusting their timings and not lapsing in their scouting, overlord positioning, creep spread or unit productions (APM intensive tasks). The basic ZvP strategies from the Zerg's side haven't really changed at all and are widely known; the adjustments players make are being better mechanically or understanding a Protoss timing better. Meanwhile struggling Protoss players, and likely Travis given his descriptions, are often executing strategies that have newer stronger versions and migrating to those strategies will give you a big boost. | ||
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LazyMacro
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Seriously though, it just depends on your perspective. A friend of mine was telling me how he hates ZvP, but then he tried to PvZ and realized it's not as easy as he thought it would be. Force fields are obnoxious. So aren't concussive shells. But, just because something is irritating doesn't mean it's unfair. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:26 dronebabo wrote: summary: each race thinks the other complains too much I don't play this game and I think everyone complains too much. Of course I do my fair share of complaining in the games that I do play... but not quite to this degree. | ||
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LuckyFool
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I think lategame tvp is retarded. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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u need to try using siege tank / thor / ghost srsly | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On January 27 2011 14:23 travis wrote: u need to try using siege tank / thor / ghost srsly dude by the time that shiz gets going toss either has mass void rays or carriers and just roflstomps. I just 1base allin vs toss now every game. and still get raped. | ||
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Wolf
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Torte de Lini
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hellsan631
United States695 Posts
On January 27 2011 14:26 LuckyFool wrote: dude by the time that shiz gets going toss either has mass void rays or carriers and just roflstomps. I just 1base allin vs toss now every game. and still get raped. your not doing it right. Mass VR or Carrier requires like 4-5 bases to get up and working, as well as not loosing your army and having to rebuild it. | ||
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Sea.3PO
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Weasel-
Canada1552 Posts
On January 26 2011 14:39 Megaliskuu wrote: god damn, seriously. i can't believe how much protoss whine. especially about pvz. I seriously win like 1 out of 3 zvp, it's by far my worst matchup, and most zerg i know say it's hard too. I am by no means a bad player, zvp is NOT easy. lately I've even had these fucking protoss complaining about roaches during the game AND THEN THEY BEAT ME. the worst is protoss complaining about how hard it is to scout. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. YOU HAVE HALUCINATIONS AND CLOAKED DETECTORS. ZERG CAN'T SCOUT YOU AT ALL ONCE A STALKER IS OUT WITHOUT SACRIFICING AN OVERLORD. god, seriously, it's so fucking ridiculous. what is it about zvp im not understanding? seriously, the only way i ever win is by not engaging until I have a ridiculous army and then hoping the protoss wasn't good enough to attack with his 2 base death ball. this rant was brought to you by me losing pretty much every zvp i've had for my last 20 zvp or so. I 14 hatch on scrap station? they cannon rush. I speedling expand on shakuras? warp prism 4 gate in my base i barely fail to stop it zealot stream in there goes my nat. I try to hard roach rush? sentries and cannons. I play muta on metalopolis? Guy 1a's uses the wide area around the expansion to repeatedly attack me and i can't hold it. I go drone heavy? Opponent goes mass gateway units into collosus. I go one of the 3 builds zerg has? Protoss uses one of the 20 they have. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? in WHAT DIMENSION IS THIS EASY? Really wish I could 5-star this post. | ||
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Quasimoto3000
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GT
Korea (South)141 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:27 Logo wrote: Lol, what's hard to understand about it. The improvements Zerg make are about adjusting their timings and not lapsing in their scouting, overlord positioning, creep spread or unit productions (APM intensive tasks). The basic ZvP strategies from the Zerg's side haven't really changed at all and are widely known; the adjustments players make are being better mechanically or understanding a Protoss timing better. Meanwhile struggling Protoss players, and likely Travis given his descriptions, are often executing strategies that have newer stronger versions and migrating to those strategies will give you a big boost. never post again, not because your post was bad. just because you're at 1337! | ||
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GT
Korea (South)141 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:17 Wolf wrote: Travis, try doing some DT builds. They've been winning me tons of games. DT into blink stalker, use stalkers/DTs to deny the third repeatedly while scouting his composition. It's soooo fun. why not blink stalker into DT? i mean blink stalker can result in an auto win moreso than DT's can. against DT they just need an overseer but against blink theyll need a critical mass of hydra to stop it. i guess im just of the opinion that being unprepared against blink stalker does more damage to Z than being unprepared against dts. | ||
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XCetron
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On January 26 2011 14:40 mahnini wrote: terran is the best race Why can't I report banlings? This post deserves warning. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:13 travis wrote: protoss players have to deal with the exact same shit sometimes... what you're saying is soooo one sided. do you think cross position metal is easy pvz? or that you can't lose to bad luck when the zerg pumps mass speedlings then waits until you move to to the tower, surrounds you, and kills everything? Are you not making enough sentries? Cause pure speedling when a toss has sentries is just lol watch as you try to engage and he ff's and your lings can't even tough his army (don't even count when he traps half of your zerglings). I dunno why you would move out so early anyway if pure speeding is gonna beat you just stay on 2 base get sentry/colossi/stalker/zealot while expanding zergs not gonna break you lol just not possible if you use forcefields correctly. | ||
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