fuck the zerg complainers - Page 2

On January 26 2011 14:30 travis wrote:
god damn, seriously. i can't believe how much zerg whine. especially about pvz. I seriously win like 1 out of 3 pvz, it's by far my worst matchup, and most protoss i know say it's hard too. I am by no means a bad player, pvz is NOT easy. lately I've even had these fucking zergs complaining about forcefields during the game AND THEN THEY BEAT ME.

the worst is zergs complaining about how hard it is to scout. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. YOU HAVE OVERLORDS AND SPEEDLINGS. PROTOSS CAN'T SCOUT YOU AT ALL UNTIL HALLUCINATION OR OBSERVERS.

god, seriously, it's so fucking ridiculous. what is it about pvz im not understanding? seriously, the only way i ever win is by not engaging until I have a ridiculous army and then hoping the zerg wasn't good enough to take every base on the map in the mean time.


this rant was brought to you by me losing pretty much every pvz i've had for my last 20 pvz or so. I forge expand scrap station? they baneling bust. I forge expand to void ray shakuras? nydus in my base i barely fail to stop it lings stream in there goes my main. I try to hard 4gate? fast roach and lings. I play 3gate sentry expand on metalopolis? Guy outmacros me off his 2 bases and uses the wide area around the expansion to repeatedly attack me and i can't hold it. I go 2gate robo? Opponent goes mass speedlings into muta. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? in WHAT DIMENSION IS THIS EASY?

On January 26 2011 15:07 qwaykee wrote:
please tell me how to scout pre-lair when you have stalkers watching the edges of your base.

On January 26 2011 14:53 Loser777 wrote:
Same happens with TvZ -.-;

I win a game after like 30 minutes and the zerg is like "you just made marines all game long"

and calls me out for not getting upgrades.

On January 26 2011 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
I'm a master protoss and all you're ranting about here are your own failings but I guess you can get away with it due to your post count...

Pressure more, if you telegraph 3-gate expo's by staying passive you will get rolled in the macro war and things like losing to speedling nydus after an fe is completely on you. TBH i feel PvZ is if anything slightly P favoured depending on the map.

On January 26 2011 15:43 Dali. wrote:
My issue with PvZ comes in the form of this build. My opponent opens 3 gate expand into 6 gate pressure then dual robo collosus. He then takes a safe third and disallows me to multi-prong attack with roaches/lings. Then throws down some stargates, pump voids and maxs while getting neccesary ups (attack, defense and blink), he is more or less unkillable and forces me to engage an uber-death ball which i must trade a huge roach army while sniping collosus/voids then remax immediately on roaches and ensure I don't lose my exterior mining bases which are key once I spend my resource surplus. If I beat his army, its gg and pumping hive units ensures. However, any mistake while doing this I face death. I feel that there are very few windows to hit the protoss without mutas (which are difficult to justify considering the strength of 2 base gate way pushes). While there are many windows where he can hit me and do massive damage if I deviate from a roach/corrupter army.

Perhaps their are other approaches I need to investigate, put personally, this is the most solid/safe way to play I have found. Hopefully I can find an answer somewhere, but I'm struggling.

I think Zerg should be frustrated with the state of the game. We feel unable to execute pressure while remaining in control of a strong economy and a safe fall back if we don't succeed in doing damage. All the while, we walk a very thin line in engagements where we are almost guaranteed to lose fights or key positions if we allow the P or T to gain a foot hold near us: Think seige tanks guarded with minimal flanking positions while rines can continually poke at us (Shakuras rock guarded pathway between bases is a good example) or a Protoss ball that makes its way into an enclosed space near an expansion where forcefields gain maximum effectiveness. Being a reactive race, we usually need time to pump a final round of units when we see a push, so with short rush distances, it is really difficult to stall an opponents movement towards an advantages position without huge sacrifices.