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Has Broodwar Outlived it's Lifespan?
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
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lastmotion
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On January 08 2011 09:32 astroorion wrote: I know that just by this title, I will probably get either a lot of interested people, or trolls saying "lolwut nub, Broodwar will nevar be over!!", but most likely a mix of both. I have just wanted to ask one single question, Has BrodWar outlived it's lifespan? Now for anyone who is curious, I am not talking about shutting down the servers, I mean has it been used too long as the Starcraft pro-game from the series? Now I understand there are only 2, and SC2 is very new, but many other companies (I.E. MLG) have switched from Halo 3 to Reach, and from Modern Warfare 2 to Black Ops. I was also thinking, have people become used to when Blizzard kept pushing the release date of SC2 back, they just turned to BroodWar? No offense, but after 10+ years of 1 game, I might be bored, but since I'm fairly new I enjoy both BroodWar and SC2. I just want to know when people in Korea will be done with BroodWar and move on to SC2 and why they haven't already. I do understand it's hard to change games, since they are so different, but they will have to make the change eventually, I just want to know when and why they haven't already. So let me know what you think, or if you know anything I can add to make this a better read or more informative. Thanks for reading and I can't wait to hear from you! why do they? you try hard to make your post as neutral-tone as possible but your viewpoint is very clear | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
but if you think of BW as something timeless, like chess, then no. I'm with the latter, you're with the former. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
on the other hand, if you were to watch a pro bw game as opposed to a pro sc2 game today, you would see striking differences | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Whether it lives, though, is ultimately up to its viewers. | ||
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drag_
England425 Posts
People in Korea may never be done with BW if they prefer it over SC2. It's kind of like asking when will people be done with Civilization and switch to Command and Conquer. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Just because SC2 is new, it doesn't make it better than brood war. There will always be a broodwar following because it's such a great competitive game. It's exciting, dynamic, impossible to master, and very well balanced. As an SC2 player, my opinion is that broodwar is more entertaining to watch. More high-risk play and more excitement is present in broodwar. You'll never see a one-shot, 72 kill reaver in SC2, or a screen full of storms in a second, or a mine drag that kills half an army, or a doom drop followed by swarm, or a clutch irradiate on a bunch of mutas, or a Boxer-esque blind/lockdown play, or a maelstrom on 20 overlords, or an arbiter recall. These things make broodwar exciting to watch. You can't get away from that. Comparatively, SC2 is bland. Instead of vultures we see Hellions, which, in most games, are never seen. Instead of Firebats we get Marauders, which make bio strong and the game turns into a unit massing fest. Blob 1 vs blob 2 isn't as exciting as a Tank push that meets a bunch of storms, a stasis, a recall, or zealot bombs. Instead of lurkers we get banelings, which are probably the source of the most excitement in SC2 ZvT. There's no dark swarm (just anticlimactic fungals, and rare at that). There's no irradiate. I would argue that ZvT and TvT are the most similar matchups to BW, but even they are boring in comparison. Spectators like excitement and tension, not 1-aing. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:36 d_so wrote: if you think of BW as a normal video game, then yes. but if you think of BW as something timeless, like chess, then no. I'm with the latter, you're with the former. I said this before on a different thread, but you have some of the best posts on teamliquid. Please continue what your doing. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote: You'll never see a one-shot, 72 kill reaver in SC2, or a screen full of storms in a second, or a mine drag that kills half an army, or a doom drop followed by swarm, or a clutch irradiate on a bunch of mutas, or a Boxer-esque blind/lockdown play. actually that's 99999x easier in sc2 it's incredible because of how hard it is to do in bw, whereas anybody could do it in sc2 | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:54 tube wrote: actually that's 99999x easier in sc2 it's incredible because of how hard it is to do in bw, whereas anybody could do it in sc2 Well, collosi are a nerfed reaver and storm was also nerfed so you can't actually really do it in sc2. | ||
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Augury
United States758 Posts
- CS is more popular than CS:S Unlike 'traditional' sports, it's somewhat easier to replace eSport games, but you are still going to need a better product. Sc2 is more accessible than BW due to the interface and graphics, but realistically BW still remains the superior product in regards to gameplay. It's up for debate which aspects of a game are more important for the game to thrive as an eSport; however, they currently seem somewhat equal. Which explains the split between BW fans and Sc2 fans. | ||
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:56 astroorion wrote: I do understand everything you are saying, and I don't like it when I look bad for something I said, but I just wanted to know when you think the Pro-Scene of BW in Korea will end But you see we hope that it never ends. Like literally, I will be extremely disappointed if I can't take my kids to see the OSL and I'm only 15. | ||
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Macavenger
United States1132 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:58 etheovermind wrote: But you see we hope that it never ends. Like literally, I will be extremely disappointed if I can't take my kids to see the OSL and I'm only 15. I would love to do the same thing! I just wanted to know if anyone thought that BW was going to end, or eventually get replaced. But from what I'm reading, no one thinks that, and I enjoy BroodWar and can't wait to see how far it goes | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:52 etheovermind wrote: I said this before on a different thread, but you have some of the best posts on teamliquid. Please continue what your doing. ㅋ... thanks. i'm flattered | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:54 tube wrote: actually that's 99999x easier in sc2 it's incredible because of how hard it is to do in bw, whereas anybody could do it in sc2 Yeah, but it also never happens in SC2. The screen is bigger (lol) and no one splits their units. The unit AI is such that you really only need one storm to catch a ball of units. Storm is just lackluster in SC2. You can storm roaches and they'll sit through it (hydras survive too) and MMM balls will survive like 2 or 3 storms. It's kinda pathetic, really. SC2 fights are lame compared to the 3 screen tank lines of Broodwar. It's just a control group of MM against a ball of Protoss ground that 1-a and ram into each other. You'll have forcefields and a little step back, and if there are HTs there are some barely decent storms. Honestly the mirror matchups in SC2 are the only reason I play still. They're usually pretty interesting (especially ZvZ and PvP). IMO ZvZ in SC2 is better and more exciting, but that's about it. | ||
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
Pro-tip #2: Use the search function. On topic: BW will love forever. In that sense, it has not outlived its lifespan. Its balance is impeccable and its gameplay is exciting. Its UI is dated, true, but until the SC2 metagame has evolved so that top-level games of SC2 are as competitive and thrilling as BW games, BW will still be the better eSport. Edit: After looking at your post history, it seems you are either a terribly disguised troll intent on baiting flames... or you're just a slow learner. I recommend you read some of the top-rated blogs before you make any more! | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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Chef
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On January 08 2011 10:25 EchOne wrote: BW has certainly outlived the expected lifespan of any mere mortal game. At this point, however, BW is an immortal, a God, and will not go quietly into the night. It will remain radiant and awe-inspiring so long as there remain men on Earth who believe in it. Nice. I think I have a new quote. Edit: I don't have room to quote you is this ok? | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9506 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:52 etheovermind wrote: I said this before on a different thread, but you have some of the best posts on teamliquid. Please continue what your doing. I'd like to second this. I was reading through that "GSL Popularity" thread and I absolutely loved every single one of your reply. I was even gonna suggest to TL mods to have your replies in that thread spotlighted! That reply about a tournament you held in a Korean school was absolutely beautiful. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4336 Posts
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Legacy_Tangent
United States6 Posts
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
What's the lifespan of football? When will NFL disappear? World Cup? If there were such thing as lifespan of BW, I doubt we're anywhere near it. | ||
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
On January 08 2011 11:42 don_kyuhote wrote: Lifespan? What lifespan? What's the lifespan of football? When will NFL disappear? World Cup? If there were such thing as lifespan of BW, I doubt we're anywhere near it. I do understand what you are saying, and I'm not trying to argue, even though I know this is, but there is no sequel to football, or the NFL, World Cup, etc. I'm talking about things that have sequels or successors that will eventually take them over | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
Broodwar, on the other hand, has already shown its timelessness. It doesn't need flashy visuals to be popular - same as football, soccer, hockey, and every major sport out there. Of course its still a videogame so we still don't know for sure if it will die out, but I think it is basically guaranteed to outlive starcraft 2. edit: reply to above post- sc2 just has the same name as broodwar, they are very different and by no means is it broodwar's spiritual successor | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On January 08 2011 10:19 NukeTheStars wrote: So, you say BW and SC2 are different games... and then you turn around and say Korea HAS to switch. So, with the same logic, I could tell people to stop playing Chrono Trigger, one of the most well-rounded, amazing RPGs ever. And now they have to all play Final Fantasy 13. Come on! Everyone has to make the switch eventually. FF13 has better graphics, so it's better! It's new and you have to play it! Nevermind the fact that I can still pick up Chrono Trigger today, play through it a 50th time, and be blown away by how awesome it is. Whoa, now, that's a low-blow. SC2 is waaaaaaay better than FF13 in comparison with their predecessors. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:45 419 wrote: Having just watched the OSL Ro8 Day 2, especially the Modesty vs Kal series, I can say that the strategic/tactical innovation department, BW is far from exhausted (think about it like having high-calibur games like the Rain vs MC one, but reliably having them every day. And then you get days like yesterday, where you get 5 of them, and 2 games that are imo Game of the Year quality). Whether it lives, though, is ultimately up to its viewers. Yes, the Modesty vs Kal series is a very good example of a recent quality match in BW. I have been watching both BW and SC2, but strangely enough, BW has managed to entertain me just like before while SC2 on the other hand is not as compelling to watch anymore. The OP is flawed, you should know that. You cannot 'force' people to switch over entirely to SC2; to me, BW and SC2 are two entirely different games. Like one previous poster said, BW is a timeless game (to the true fans like us). And as long as such fans exist, both in Korea and internationally, BW will live on. That is the simple gist of it, and the beauty of this game is such that it is universally accessible to everyone. =3 | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On January 08 2011 11:50 astroorion wrote: I do understand what you are saying, and I'm not trying to argue, even though I know this is, but there is no sequel to football, or the NFL, World Cup, etc. I'm talking about things that have sequels or successors that will eventually take them over Well, people can call SC2 BW's sequel or successor or whatever. But the fact of the matter is, it's a very different game. So there is really no reason to believe that SC2 has to overtake BW. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
No. | ||
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imPERSONater
United States1324 Posts
Edit: It seems I was beaten to the punch with the analogy :D I guess that's what I get for skipping posts then putting out an opinion  | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
As long as I think that watching D+ players playing BW is better than watching the pros play SC2.....then BW has yet to die. | ||
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