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€: Updated the second postion t.t
Hi, I'm playing Chess for fun (Chess Titans level 6, lol!).
I'm a hardcore noob so please, don't be rude.
![[image loading]](http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9219/91930609.jpg)
So I figured d4-b6 might be a good move, threatening the bishop + pawn and opening the diagonal for my bishop.
After f8-e8 (which I don't understand, but hey. As black I would play e7-g7 €: OH snap ok my bishop covers g7. haha pretty nice.) I go of course b6-b5 check. I suppose that is the best move? I have no idea how to calculate a position but as I was one pawn down I would say it's pretty even now. After e8-d8 it looks like this:
![[image loading]](http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/351/oo2u.jpg)
So what do I do now? Thanks
 
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United States6012 Posts
It depends where he moves but your goal should be to try to take unguarded pawns while moving your own pawn on the left down. Since bishops are different colors, the pawn being on black would be completely safe.
Perhaps if the enemy king goes to the left (closer to pawn) as its next move, yyou can move your queen down a space and go grab the pawn on the other side.
I actually think think that moving the queen down a space would be best regardless hmmm. would be nice to know where he moves.
edit: by down I mean up
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Not sure which is better, but Qh8+ also wins you the pawn, and lets you dictate his next move or two while pushing the king away from the kingside so you can (hopefully) queen your pawn. It's up to you which pawn you want to take, the f or h pawn.
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I would put the bishop between the two black pawns, but dont take my advice because I suck really hard at this game (E- in iccup ranks).
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e: omg posting diagrams is quite annoying
On December 03 2010 02:18 Xstatic wrote:
Not sure which is better, but Qh8+ also wins you the pawn, and lets you dictate his next move or two while pushing the king away from the kingside so you can (hopefully) queen your pawn. It's up to you which pawn you want to take, the f or h pawn.
OH snap. Wow didn't even think of that. Hm he then plays f8-f7:
![[image loading]](http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2189/oo30.jpg)
If I take the h pawn I lose my bishop:
![[image loading]](http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/350/oo4x.jpg)
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On a second glance, Qb6 is better because it threatens taking the h-pawn with check.
Edit: yeah you found the problem xD so your original idea, Qb6, is better.
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Hm well I figure the e3 field is critical, if I dont cover it I'll lose the bishop.
g3-e3 will lose me the bishop (after d5-d4+). I guess b4-b3+ is the best move? So I cover e3 and my b pawn can move?
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edit: nevermind lol dunno
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Trade queens and you win because of the positioning of your king since that black h pawn is completely unguarded and there is not enough time to defend. Trying to figure out the best way to do that.
Also if you are not aggressive you are in a losing position because of how far advanced your pawns on the right are.
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Q-h8+
K-f7 forced
Q-g7+
(K-e6 loses h6 pawn with check)
K-e8
Q-g6+
(K-d8 loses queen to bishop pin)
K-d7/K-f8
QxF5+
You win 1 pawn with momentum still in your favour.
Some lines allow you to go B-e5+ blocking the efile but you need to either have threats or be able to defend b pawn with the queen. It's pretty complicated.
You can probably chase the king to the queenside (or he loses a h pawn as well) and then swap queens or even swap queens for a bishop and you have a king and 2 pawns which 1 bishop and 1 far away king can't stop.
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This thread is awesome. I used to be in chess club in school, but I was never very good. I think Reket and Slayer91 have the right ideas, though.
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United States6012 Posts
On December 03 2010 03:53 Wolf wrote:
This thread is awesome. I used to be in chess club in school, but I was never very good. I think Reket and Slayer91 have the right ideas, though.
I dont see wtf happened and something must be wrong...you dont check every second you can...I have no idea how you got in your position T___T
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On December 03 2010 02:17 ReketSomething wrote:
It depends where he moves but your goal should be to try to take unguarded pawns while moving your own pawn on the left down. Since bishops are different colors, the pawn being on black would be completely safe.
Perhaps if the enemy king goes to the left (closer to pawn) as its next move, yyou can move your queen down a space and go grab the pawn on the other side.
I actually think think that moving the queen down a space would be best regardless hmmm. would be nice to know where he moves.
edit: by down I mean up
but the enemy is down!
Haha nice! Ender would be proud.
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On December 03 2010 03:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Q-h8+
K-f7 forced
Q-g7+
(K-e6 loses h6 pawn with check)
K-e8
Q-g6+
(K-d8 loses queen to bishop pin)
K-d7/K-f8
Ok, but he instead played Qf7. Kf8 also doesn't make sense since Qh6+ ???
Some lines allow you to go B-e5+ blocking the efile but you need to either have threats or be able to defend b pawn with the queen. It's pretty complicated.
You can probably chase the king to the queenside (or he loses a h pawn as well) and then swap queens or even swap queens for a bishop and you have a king and 2 pawns which 1 bishop and 1 far away king can't stop.
Hm. Ok thanks, I have to think about this xD
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Yeah, Kf8 loses a pawn to h6 and f5. Pick one.
Qf7 doesn't matter. You take the h6 pawn and the queen can't do anything in that position.
I'm pretty sure my line wins, but maybe the opposite bishop ending will screw it pu.
EDIT: Don't ignore my concrete lines and then go think about random blanket statements which are obviously good but is just a technical cleanup after using said lines to gain an advantage XD
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Slayer's line looks right. If you win the h6 pawn and deny queen moves, the game is practically sealed, since the b7 bishop is hemmed in. The only counter I could see would be d4, opening up the diagonal, but Qh8+ followed by Qxd4 can pick up the pawn while avoiding any nasty queen checks.
Finally, if you take the h6 pawn, the light squared bishop has no way of transferring itself onto the b1-h7 diagonal, which means that only the king can defend the queening path of the h-pawn. Also, the king cannot defend both h7 and f6 at the same time, allowing your king to penetrate his position through an eventual Kh4-g5-f6/f5. You can calculate the exact lines, but I don't think black can escape the endgame after 1.Qh8 Kf7 2.Qg7 Ke8 3.Qg6.
Your line is a little eh, because after 1.Qb6, a line may progress 1...d4 2.Qxd4 Qe4, where it's tough for you to checkmate him or avoid a queen trade. In that case, The game would probably end up in a draw in the opposite color bishop endgame, since I can't see a line where you can pick up the h6 pawn with tempo.
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United States13143 Posts
Man, I hate queen endings. You think for 10 minutes, make some move, and then the other guy does 5 checks and takes some random pawn.
In your second diagram, white's pretty clearly better because your pieces(especially your bishop) are much more active than black's. I think your plan should be to trade queens, take his h pawn with your bishop, bring your bishop back to support your b-pawn and block his d-pawn, and then use your king to support your h pawn and attack his f pawn. I am not really sure how to make all of that happen, though. I think your only reasonable moves are Qb6+ and Be5, because otherwise black's pieces start to get active(even if it didn't win your bishop, Qe3+ is quite nasty). I'd probably go Be5.
Actually, looking again, I think Qc5 is better because against almost anything black does, you can respond with Qb6+ and either force a queen trade on c7 or get free material. If he tries trading and taking the c5 pawn with his king, you take h6 and his bishop is late. Interesting position.
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On December 03 2010 07:43 mIniAtURe wrote:
Finally, if you take the h6 pawn, the light squared bishop has no way of transferring itself onto the b1-h7 diagonal, which means that only the king can defend the queening path of the h-pawn. Also, the king cannot defend both h7 and f6 at the same time, allowing your king to penetrate his position through an eventual Kh4-g5-f6/f5. You can calculate the exact lines, but I don't think black can escape the endgame after 1.Qh8 Kf7 2.Qg7 Ke8 3.Qg6.
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I overlooked that. In that case it's quite simple to chase the king to the queenside after picking up h6, his other option is to lose the f pawn, and you can just force a queen swap through a pin and pick up an simple win. The only way to defend is to get the king to h6 before your king can get to g5 so its unlikely he can do it since you're in control.
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