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How do you unlearn a wrong skill? - Page 2

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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
October 11 2010 12:34 GMT
#21
Just do it the right way and don't get frustrated when you type 1/4th as fast as you do now and you should do fine. Most people don't type the proper way because they see typing the proper way is slower than how they type now and never learn.
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
October 11 2010 12:41 GMT
#22
On October 11 2010 21:33 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 19:29 micronesia wrote:
Research shows that you can't unlearn something that you've established in your brain. You just 'pave over' it. A music teacher was explaining to me that he figured out the wrong way to use his fingers on the piano when he was a kid and had to learn all over again how to position his hands. He can play correctly now but when he gets drunk enough he reverts to the old style which is way inferior :p



That's pretty fucked up if now he can't drink booze.


No. He can still drink, but it's when he is drunk that he plays all wrong, not that when he gets drunk he forgets the proper way to do it and has to relearn it again.

When he's sober, everything's back to normal.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
October 11 2010 12:46 GMT
#23
On October 11 2010 21:41 SolHeiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 21:33 Boonbag wrote:
On October 11 2010 19:29 micronesia wrote:
Research shows that you can't unlearn something that you've established in your brain. You just 'pave over' it. A music teacher was explaining to me that he figured out the wrong way to use his fingers on the piano when he was a kid and had to learn all over again how to position his hands. He can play correctly now but when he gets drunk enough he reverts to the old style which is way inferior :p



That's pretty fucked up if now he can't drink booze.


When he's sober, everything's back to normal.


Ah. Good point.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
October 11 2010 12:53 GMT
#24
On October 11 2010 19:29 micronesia wrote:
Research shows that you can't unlearn something that you've established in your brain. You just 'pave over' it. A music teacher was explaining to me that he figured out the wrong way to use his fingers on the piano when he was a kid and had to learn all over again how to position his hands. He can play correctly now but when he gets drunk enough he reverts to the old style which is way inferior :p

ha, interesting story!
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 11 2010 13:30 GMT
#25
Yup I've heard and struggled with unlearning bad habits when I was playing music. I'm not sure about all the '200 repetitions' stuff but all I remember is that it takes a lot of work and practice to unlearn something.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 11 2010 14:07 GMT
#26
I think that the best way is just repetition. That's how I stopped hotkeying gates as 1-4 and started using 4-7.
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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
October 11 2010 14:54 GMT
#27
OMG I HATE YOU, j/k .
I just realized that I have pretty much the same typing flaw though...
I'm just going to go with playing http://play.typeracer.com/
because that game doesn't let you skip errors(you always have to delete until you get it right)
I'd just try and make a conscious effort to stop yourself when you're about to hit the wrong key. NVM it's impossible...
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NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 11 2010 15:04 GMT
#28
That typing test is annoying. I did the Astronaut sample test and got like 20 wpm because it there was so much formatting to it(punctuation and such). I switched to something that didn't have that much and it instantly boosted to 70 wpm

I have to say 83 wpm is fine, there is no real reason to learn a new method since what you know works very well.
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
October 11 2010 15:08 GMT
#29
it's not really about typing correctly. i don't type correctly. yet i can still manage quite high wpm and very low error rate. just type more, that's all there is to it.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Thratur
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 15:28:16
October 11 2010 15:24 GMT
#30
In my opinion, 83 wpm is more than enough. There's no way you would think an essay faster than that. I got the same as you (85) and I've been typing in Dvorak-fr for the last 6 months or so for the improved ergonomy (it really feels like a lot less effort to type in Dvorak) in the most efficient way possible, and it still takes me 10 hours to do my damn lab report.
kyarisan
Profile Joined May 2010
United States347 Posts
October 11 2010 15:30 GMT
#31
are you by chance left handed? i'm left handed too, and i type the exact same way.

i just decided to force myself into typing faster, lol. i was at about 80 or so in high school until i decided to pump the shit out of training mode until i got to around 100 or so
ZeKk
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sweden320 Posts
October 11 2010 15:34 GMT
#32
How is 83 bad for not using the "touch method"?
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 11 2010 15:37 GMT
#33
I don't type right and I still get 130 wpm on things like typeracer.

I mainly use my index and middle fingers
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32071 Posts
October 11 2010 15:41 GMT
#34
If it works for you, who cares

I know that people have successfully beaten their children out of being lefties, saving them a life of shame (I plan on doing the same if god punishes me with a lefty) Perhaps every time you don't use the correct fingers, you smash your keyboard over your hand?
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jabberwokie
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
October 11 2010 16:31 GMT
#35
It takes 2000 repetitions to learn a motion (from a muscle memory perspective) You simply have to practice the correct action enough to make it a natural motion (muscle memorized). With a solid foundation in key layout which you obviously have it should be relatively easy.
Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
October 11 2010 18:42 GMT
#36
On October 12 2010 00:24 Thratur wrote:
In my opinion, 83 wpm is more than enough. There's no way you would think an essay faster than that. I got the same as you (85) and I've been typing in Dvorak-fr for the last 6 months or so for the improved ergonomy (it really feels like a lot less effort to type in Dvorak) in the most efficient way possible, and it still takes me 10 hours to do my damn lab report.


83 wpm is fine. The problem is, at 83 wpm there are a lot of errors. It takes a lot more effort to type correctly with my method than does the normal method.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:56:16
October 11 2010 18:55 GMT
#37
I was like you. I never learned to type. What I did, I had an old typing program cd which I used during summer break and started from scratch relearning typing. When I wasn't typing I tried my hardest to not type unless I had too and when I did try to consciously type the right way. There should be one of these on the internet if you search around. I gave up before learning numbers though so I type correctly but have difficulty typing correctly with numbers. And occasionally some of my old habits occur when I start typing fast.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
October 11 2010 19:24 GMT
#38
You just make a point of doing it a lot. There's no secret.
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Ellis
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
247 Posts
October 11 2010 19:39 GMT
#39
That's funny, I actually do the same thing. I'm convinced it's from years of playing starcraft, where I would get used to typing with all fingers on my left hand (due to hotkeys, lol) but only my pointer finger and thumb on my right hand. I use my pinky for return and shift, but that's about it. I could probably work on learning the correct way to type, but what I do works pretty well, so I will probably just stick with it.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
October 11 2010 21:18 GMT
#40

Ok I've done this lots of times. I relearned how to type when I got a job as a transcriber (after doing something similar to what you were doing), I changed my entire guitar picking technique after 10 years of playing the wrong way, I've even changed my Starcraft keyboard hand from 'a-s-d-f' to 'ctrl-a-s-d' positioning halfway through the Sc2 beta and had to totally re adjust to my hand being one key to the left.

As others have said, there's no 'trick' to stuff like this, you basically have to start really slow and force yourself to do things the right way. If you find yourself typing a letter with the wrong finger then slow down and concentrate on doing it the right way. It will be painfully slow for the first hour or so but after a couple of days you will surpassing your old speed. The brain is surprisingly good at readjusting and with ALL the examples I gave, I was up to my old speed within about 5-6 hours of time spent at said activity.

People are really reluctant to change stuff like this because of how retarded it feels at first, but you'd be surprised how natural it feels after a few hours of practice.

Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
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