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SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
October 04 2010 19:22 GMT
#1
In the interests of more interesting/enjoyable ladder play, do your part by taking the pledge!

I, the undersigned, will not, during ladder play:

1. 6/7 pool
2. Proxy gate/rax
3. Cannon Rush

Together we can make the ladder a less cheesy place. I'm not interested in the moral validity of cheese, I'm interested in fun matches.

*
mutalisks are awesome!
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
October 04 2010 19:26 GMT
#2
i'll go 8pool then. :D
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Thoreezhea1
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States532 Posts
October 04 2010 19:30 GMT
#3
no. there is no such thing as cheese , there are just different ways to win the game.
What the Fu- REAPERS?!
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
October 04 2010 19:33 GMT
#4
that's my point- I don't want to talk about whether or not you go to hell for cheesing- a win's a win. The pledge is saying, it's more fun when people don't cheese. Do your part to make the ladder more fun.
mutalisks are awesome!
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
October 04 2010 19:36 GMT
#5
I'm not going to remove strategies from my arsenal because you don't consider them fun.

Not signing.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9803 Posts
October 04 2010 19:41 GMT
#6
how about a new pledge:
I, the undersigned, will learn to defend against these cheeses, rendering them generally ineffective, in an effort to discourage the use of them during ladder play.
boomer hands
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
October 04 2010 19:45 GMT
#7
I pledge to force people how to adapt instead of mindlessly playing their cookie cutter strats they took from Day9. And I plan to desensitize virgin ears when I accomplish this.
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maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 19:53:09
October 04 2010 19:50 GMT
#8
I have seen the light, thanks to your brilliant post! I shall now endeavor to make every game as fun filled as possible. When randoming zerg, I shall immediately kill two of my starting drones and 4 pool, but only as a means to overseer rush. When the dice gives me terran, I will build a rax as far away from my opponent as possible and only use it to tech to engineering bay. Then curse that they can't float in this game. And, lastly, when the Blizzard gods hand me Protoss, my plan is clear: cannon rush the on-map critters, then go mass hallucinated sentries.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
October 04 2010 19:51 GMT
#9
I usually dont cheese, but this blog made me aware that i should cheese at least a little, thx for that.
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 19:53:11
October 04 2010 19:52 GMT
#10
On October 05 2010 04:41 seRapH wrote:
how about a new pledge:
I, the undersigned, will learn to defend against these cheeses, rendering them generally ineffective, in an effort to discourage the use of them during ladder play.

The thing is - I'd like to work on my mid-late gameplay, and the guys who cheese all the time are generally terrible after their cheese fails..... It becomes pretty easy to beat after that.....

The problem is actually beating the well-practiced cheese.....
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Gecko
Profile Joined August 2010
United States519 Posts
October 04 2010 20:11 GMT
#11
beating cheese scrubs feels so good though :o
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
October 04 2010 20:34 GMT
#12
is cheese really that prevalent in lower leagues? i'm not terribly high in diamond but there's almost none of it here and when it does happen, it's just part of the game.
:O
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 04 2010 20:42 GMT
#13
cannon rush isn't even cheese. It's a really good opening that you should do 90% of your games.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 20:45:29
October 04 2010 20:44 GMT
#14
Back when I used to be copper (yeah, old school baby) I saw cheese at least 50% of the game.

Same all the way up to platinum (which was diamond at the time.)

Today, it is much the same. Until mid diamond cheese is extremely prevalent. Thank god I am high enough now that I rarely see it.

Edit: To be clear, I don't think there's any thing wrong with cheese, or even that cheese really exists at all. Admittedly, I do rage quit sometimes if I lose to it. :/
I'm such a baller in my dreams. - HiFriend
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
October 04 2010 20:48 GMT
#15
I feel like if I took any pledge, it would be the exact opposite of the one you've proposed.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
DUBSTEPP
Profile Joined October 2010
3 Posts
October 04 2010 21:02 GMT
#16
I pledge to listen to dubstep while I play. EVERY GAME.
I LIKE DUBSTEP
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
October 04 2010 21:02 GMT
#17
haha, fair enough. I'm surprised, though, I thought my opinion was more common on TL.
mutalisks are awesome!
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
October 04 2010 21:04 GMT
#18
On October 05 2010 05:48 BroOd wrote:
I feel like if I took any pledge, it would be the exact opposite of the one you've proposed.

this, precisely.
Moderatorhttps://soundcloud.com/castlesmusic/sets/oak
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
October 04 2010 21:07 GMT
#19
Weird I faced cheese a lot in the very beginning in gold, then it was mostly straight up games until recently at ~1200-1300 diamond I've been getting cheesed like 90% of my games. Takes the fun out of it for me but who am I to decide what strategies other people should use? I just don't play as much.
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
October 04 2010 21:23 GMT
#20
Cheese games are fun for me, even when it's not me cheesing. Always cool to play out a situation where neither player has played the exact situation out before. 7pool? Well, I'll get a fast forge and a cannon, then maybe I'll go phoenixes... DAMN baneling bust, should be careful of that next time.

Plus the game's like 10 minutes long at the longest, so it's nice and quick, and yeah, very micro intensive.

I don't understand the obsession with the alleged "macro game." I love having 5 bases, but only when the game demands it. That's very unlikely on Steppes, though it might happen often on cross position metalopolis. Adapt your gameplay.

SC2 isn't no rush 20.
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
October 04 2010 21:27 GMT
#21
I don't cheese, but then again, I stopped laddering too. Cheese is fine when you play with friends who might know you a little, then it isnt pure luck of the draw, there is a little bit of mindgames to it.

game 1: i played straight up
game 2: i played straight, but much more agressive
game 3: straight up, different tech then other games
game 4: fast expand, like unsafely fast
game 5: straight up

... now if I cheesed in game 6, isnt that a little more interesting then just 'who the hell is this guy' and bam cannons in your base every other game?
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
October 04 2010 21:29 GMT
#22
Half the fun of laddering is beating a cheesy opponent who rage quits after the cheese fails.
Also, I'm pretty sure that stuff like this is defend-able once scouted. Its all a matter of how you adapt, or react.
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
October 04 2010 21:36 GMT
#23
On October 05 2010 06:27 SaetZero wrote:
I don't cheese, but then again, I stopped laddering too. Cheese is fine when you play with friends who might know you a little, then it isnt pure luck of the draw, there is a little bit of mindgames to it.

game 1: i played straight up
game 2: i played straight, but much more agressive
game 3: straight up, different tech then other games
game 4: fast expand, like unsafely fast
game 5: straight up

... now if I cheesed in game 6, isnt that a little more interesting then just 'who the hell is this guy' and bam cannons in your base every other game?

Either that or in some kind of tournament/competitive setting. Totally agree.

While the easiest way to practice defeating cheese is to face it, if you face it too much, it takes away from your ability to practice your mid/late gameplay.....
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 04 2010 22:34 GMT
#24
ppl should take a pledge to learn to how stop all 3 said cheeses.

If you don't allow anyone to win with these builds they will stop doing them. :D
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 04 2010 22:43 GMT
#25
I wish people would learn to deal with cheese rather than whine about it... don't go around doing risky econ openings if youre scared of cheese =.=

It doesnt look good on the cheeser's part, but it only makes you a fool to think that others should change their gameplay to your liking.
:)
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12082 Posts
October 04 2010 22:49 GMT
#26
On October 05 2010 05:48 BroOd wrote:
I feel like if I took any pledge, it would be the exact opposite of the one you've proposed.


Agreed.

Thought this thread was about that until I finished reading the OP. :/
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 04 2010 23:44 GMT
#27
I guess im just gonna do baneling busts then
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
October 05 2010 00:12 GMT
#28
Would you like some cheese with that whine pledge?
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