In the interests of more interesting/enjoyable ladder play, do your part by taking the pledge!

I, the undersigned, will not, during ladder play:

1. 6/7 pool
2. Proxy gate/rax
3. Cannon Rush

Together we can make the ladder a less cheesy place. I'm not interested in the moral validity of cheese, I'm interested in fun matches.

MisterD

Germany1338 Posts

October 04 2010 19:26 GMT

i'll go 8pool then. :D

Thoreezhea1

United States532 Posts

October 04 2010 19:30 GMT

no. there is no such thing as cheese , there are just different ways to win the game.

SlimeBagly

356 Posts

October 04 2010 19:33 GMT

that's my point- I don't want to talk about whether or not you go to hell for cheesing- a win's a win. The pledge is saying, it's more fun when people don't cheese. Do your part to make the ladder more fun.

Sc1pio

United States823 Posts

October 04 2010 19:36 GMT

I'm not going to remove strategies from my arsenal because you don't consider them fun.

Not signing.

seRapH

United States9830 Posts

October 04 2010 19:41 GMT

how about a new pledge:
I, the undersigned, will learn to defend against these cheeses, rendering them generally ineffective, in an effort to discourage the use of them during ladder play.

QuanticHawk

United States32160 Posts

October 04 2010 19:45 GMT

I pledge to force people how to adapt instead of mindlessly playing their cookie cutter strats they took from Day9. And I plan to desensitize virgin ears when I accomplish this.

maareek

United States2042 Posts

October 04 2010 19:50 GMT

I have seen the light, thanks to your brilliant post! I shall now endeavor to make every game as fun filled as possible. When randoming zerg, I shall immediately kill two of my starting drones and 4 pool, but only as a means to overseer rush. When the dice gives me terran, I will build a rax as far away from my opponent as possible and only use it to tech to engineering bay. Then curse that they can't float in this game. And, lastly, when the Blizzard gods hand me Protoss, my plan is clear: cannon rush the on-map critters, then go mass hallucinated sentries.

green.at

Austria1459 Posts

October 04 2010 19:51 GMT

I usually dont cheese, but this blog made me aware that i should cheese at least a little, thx for that.

Impervious

Canada4222 Posts

October 04 2010 19:52 GMT

#10

On October 05 2010 04:41 seRapH wrote:
how about a new pledge:
I, the undersigned, will learn to defend against these cheeses, rendering them generally ineffective, in an effort to discourage the use of them during ladder play.

The thing is - I'd like to work on my mid-late gameplay, and the guys who cheese all the time are generally terrible after their cheese fails..... It becomes pretty easy to beat after that.....

The problem is actually beating the well-practiced cheese.....

Gecko

United States519 Posts

October 04 2010 20:11 GMT

#11

beating cheese scrubs feels so good though :o

chobopeon

United States7342 Posts

October 04 2010 20:34 GMT

#12

is cheese really that prevalent in lower leagues? i'm not terribly high in diamond but there's almost none of it here and when it does happen, it's just part of the game.

Piy

Scotland3152 Posts

October 04 2010 20:42 GMT

#13

cannon rush isn't even cheese. It's a really good opening that you should do 90% of your games.

SpicyCrab

402 Posts

October 04 2010 20:44 GMT

#14

Back when I used to be copper (yeah, old school baby) I saw cheese at least 50% of the game.

Same all the way up to platinum (which was diamond at the time.)

Today, it is much the same. Until mid diamond cheese is extremely prevalent. Thank god I am high enough now that I rarely see it.

Edit: To be clear, I don't think there's any thing wrong with cheese, or even that cheese really exists at all. Admittedly, I do rage quit sometimes if I lose to it. :/

BroOd

Austin10833 Posts

October 04 2010 20:48 GMT

#15

I feel like if I took any pledge, it would be the exact opposite of the one you've proposed.

DUBSTEPP

3 Posts

October 04 2010 21:02 GMT

#16

I pledge to listen to dubstep while I play. EVERY GAME.

SlimeBagly

356 Posts

October 04 2010 21:02 GMT

#17

haha, fair enough. I'm surprised, though, I thought my opinion was more common on TL.

intrigue

Washington, D.C9935 Posts

October 04 2010 21:04 GMT

#18

On October 05 2010 05:48 BroOd wrote:
I feel like if I took any pledge, it would be the exact opposite of the one you've proposed.

this, precisely.

hifriend

China7935 Posts

October 04 2010 21:07 GMT

#19

Weird I faced cheese a lot in the very beginning in gold, then it was mostly straight up games until recently at ~1200-1300 diamond I've been getting cheesed like 90% of my games. Takes the fun out of it for me but who am I to decide what strategies other people should use? I just don't play as much.

DeckOneBell

United States526 Posts

October 04 2010 21:23 GMT

#20

Cheese games are fun for me, even when it's not me cheesing. Always cool to play out a situation where neither player has played the exact situation out before. 7pool? Well, I'll get a fast forge and a cannon, then maybe I'll go phoenixes... DAMN baneling bust, should be careful of that next time.

Plus the game's like 10 minutes long at the longest, so it's nice and quick, and yeah, very micro intensive.

I don't understand the obsession with the alleged "macro game." I love having 5 bases, but only when the game demands it. That's very unlikely on Steppes, though it might happen often on cross position metalopolis. Adapt your gameplay.

SC2 isn't no rush 20.

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