Take my advice with a grain of salt, since I only got up to a high D+ level before I stopped, but what cracked ZvT for me was opening 3 hatch before pool every game, getting early evos and upgrading, muta-harass then lurkers to secure a third and fourth if handled well, and then going straight to ultras with +2 carapace already done. I played every game that way >_<, macro with ultras is pretty easy so it helped since I only had 110-120? apm.

Plus it makes you really good at anticipating/blocking bunker rushes.

Entertaining

Canada793 Posts

September 30 2010 21:46 GMT

#22

if ur playing less than 1 game a day your not going to get anybetter. you say you dont have the time but u have 7k posts. im getting the feeling ur just lazy.

synapse

China13814 Posts

September 30 2010 21:56 GMT

#23

I cannot ZvP for my life. I see Protoss and I just play Terran. ZvZ is meh, the only matchup I like to play is ZvT o_O

LuMiX

China5758 Posts

September 30 2010 22:34 GMT

#24

don't do 3h before pool. 1. terran can just do some allin rush with scvs and marines. 2. they can just do any standard tank push timing and your tech will be so late you'll die.

Raz0r

United States287 Posts

September 30 2010 22:47 GMT

#25

i think to accommodate your life style, you should learn to how to improve more efficiently, since you want to improve with the least amount of time to at least enjoy the game. First you have to have foundation on the game. You have to be able to multitask to some degree if you want to have a chance in the (D) - (D+) ranks. I recommend just playing against comp, and practicing build orders non stop for a while until it becomes 2nd nature to you. Eventually you won't have to remember consciously what to do, you'll just do it. Executing these build orders takes multitasking skills, if you don't have a certain food supply at a certain timing, then you know you screwed up your build, so you keep practicing, until you can match the build order. Once you master or are comfortable with using the builds, you can then practice against the D ranks, and of course this type of practice is where you learn about your game sense. You'll say to yourself hmm, so if my opponent goes speedlots at around 7 mins, I should build hydras and simcity a bit faster in my current build to adapt to what hes doing, and etc.. all these things these little nuances of the builds, come from game sense. You do the core build orders, but you adjust them according to what you scout, and ofc you have to respond properly to your scouting info, like how fast is he getting the 2nd gas, take that into account to what type of army composition he might go for, etc...

So 3 main points are
1. Practice Build orders (this helps your multitasking ability)
2. Practice against D rank players when you are comfortable with your builds.
3. Learn your game sense and analyze what you scouted and how you should've responded.

Magus

Canada450 Posts

September 30 2010 22:51 GMT

#26

On October 01 2010 06:07 Crunchums wrote:

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I could perform those actions, but they would come at the expense of other actions - ie macro. I'm using 1-4 army and 5-0 hatcheries but my hands are so tiny that I can't macro effectively with 8-0. Once I get past 3 hatcheries my macro goes to shit.

ZvZ all the way lolololololololol (anyone want to play ZvZ with me?)

That hotkey spam is macroing though, so how would it come at the expense of macro?

OT: Don't be afraid to move your hand off of homerow, I have freakishly long fingers (inch longer than anyone else I know) and I have trouble hitting 9 and 0 too.

Murderotica

Vatican City State2594 Posts

September 30 2010 23:26 GMT

#27

On October 01 2010 06:07 Crunchums wrote:

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I have the tiniest hands in the world and I manage. All you gotta do is move them (: I'm 5'11 and my hands are only 7 inches from base to the tip of my middle finger.

Crunchums

United States11144 Posts

September 30 2010 23:57 GMT

#28

Thanks for the tips and stuff guys, but like I said I am done trying to improve. I'm just going to play for fun and even though I'll still be terrible it will be less frustrating because I'm not wasting my time trying to fix that.

Also this thread was great for finding people to play against

Archaeo

United States397 Posts

October 01 2010 00:06 GMT

#29

I'll try to play you more often in ZvZ.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

October 01 2010 00:34 GMT

#30

I finished installing the new iccup launcher but you're gone. ):

Crunchums

United States11144 Posts

October 01 2010 00:35 GMT

#31

On October 01 2010 09:34 koreasilver wrote:
I finished installing the new iccup launcher but you're gone. ):

What account are you on? I'm there now.

Emon_

3925 Posts

October 01 2010 00:42 GMT

#32

Pro level and D level are two entirely different things.

Example: Going corsair-reaver as protoss. My reaver has a life-span of exactly one minute. No matter what I try, he's the first to go. I've stopped doing that build, focused on expanding and macro, focus on getting a 200/200 army fast = almost insta win.

As a Zerg, If you can get a third base up vs. P early, the win is almost yours. Morph lurkers in front of his natural choke and have Hydras around. Most P can't break a contain, and even if that happens, Z can make an army from scratch in seconds.

Deny his third, work on a fourth and you're good. And invest in sunkens and spores. D-level protosses lose observers soooo easy. Also - Ultras are a bitch. If you can tech to it and have some lings run around, you're good. Also, dropping cracklings/lurkers in a P base is annoying as hell. Do that (:

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

October 01 2010 01:07 GMT

#33

ah you dodged me ;;.. btw i can play mediocre TvZ if you want >_>
or are you solely playing ZvZ -_-..

Harem

United States11393 Posts

October 01 2010 01:10 GMT

#34

On October 01 2010 05:08 Crunchums wrote:

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obv I do that

There is a huge difference between just watching vods and watching vods to extract as much educational value out as possible.

You should also really re-read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135766 a few more times.

Crunchums

United States11144 Posts

October 01 2010 01:19 GMT

#35

On October 01 2010 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ah you dodged me ;;.. btw i can play mediocre TvZ if you want >_>
or are you solely playing ZvZ -_-..

ofc I dodged you, I don't play vs Protoss : 3
I'm down for ZvT

On October 01 2010 10:10 Harem wrote:
You should also really re-read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135766 a few more times.

Why would I read a guide on how to improve when I have given up on trying to improve [image loading]

Vanka

China1336 Posts

October 01 2010 01:47 GMT

#36

On October 01 2010 07:34 Metal[x] wrote:
don't do 3h before pool. 1. terran can just do some allin rush with scvs and marines. 2. they can just do any standard tank push timing and your tech will be so late you'll die.

We're talking about beating D level players here. Sure, he'll lose sometimes to bunker rushes, but 3 hatch before pool gives you a huge economic boost and I don't recall it slowing down your tech as much as you would suggest (unless the terran one based?, but you should scout that).

If you wanna win some games at D zvt, just open 3 hatch before pool a couple games, do midgame blah blah blah, go ultras and a-move.

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