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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
What would you recommend as a replacement for baldurs gate 2? I'm not too much into newer roleplaying games, such as Dragon age (not a hater, just think newer roleplaying games are a bit too... meh). Is there an MMO ala Baldurs gate 2? Other games out there? Share your knowledge, guys!  | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
 If you're a hardcore BG fan I'd recommend playing out all of the mods before you move on to another series. There are some really great mods out there that add a ton of gameplay... and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
actually the original NWN and its expansions should be me all time favorite game | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: Neverwinter Nights is elder scrolls right? or am i getting that confused with something else.. I have oblivion for PS2 and although some part REALLY turned me off its quite an amazing game. Very complex, and u could play it for loads of time. Don't think so. However, if you've enjoyed Oblivion and can put up with slightly dated graphics, I can't recommend Morrowind enough. Barring graphics and the combat system (you get used to it), Morrowind is superior in almost every way (guild quests and some other minor things are the only other pros I can think of for Oblivion when comparing to Morrowind.) | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3468 Posts
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
and op i assume you have played the icewind dales ? if not il be shocked ! | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
I couldn't play the first BG, i found the interface too annoying. Resting was a bitch as well. The graphics weren't too much of a turn off... Hmm maybe i should try it again. Morrowind is easily better than oblivion hands down. So much more fun though it got a bit too easy at the end when i was all tanked up even when set to the hardest difficulty. What about Planescape Torment? It runs on the infinity engine as well and i think its also set in the BG universe except in the nine hells... Ah checked on wiki, its all the different planes of existence. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
I agree with JWD. Baldur's Gate 1 was better than BG2. Much more freedom in what to do and the city Baldur's Gate was better done that Athkatla. There was also Icewind Dale series set in Forgotten Realms also done by Black Isle. Decent entertainment but not as good as BG. I preferred the Icewind Dale 1 compared to the sequel. They are more hack'n'slash but still highly entertaining, done with exactly the same engine as Baldur's Gate and by the same people. Finally, there is a gem that is mostly forgotten now. It is called: PLANESCAPE: TORMENT A beautiful game. Focused more on thinking then battling monsters. And the storyline is beautiful; simply beautiful. "What can change the nature of man?" is the main question which drives a lot of the plot. And there are no MMO a la BG as far as I know. PS. If you want sth newer by Black Isle, Star Wars: The Knights of The Old Republic (2001) is ridiculously good. I spent countless of hours playing it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7825 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote: I'm a massive BG fan and I thought Neverwinter Nights (not II which sucked) was alright. Lacks a bit of the BG series' storytelling and is maybe a bit slower-moving, but a lot of the same Infinity Engine mechanics are still there. And the graphics are old now, but nevertheless pretty cool after years of looking at BG's sprites If you're a hardcore BG fan I'd recommend playing out all of the mods before you move on to another series. There are some really great mods out there that add a ton of gameplay... and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games. I am such a hardcore fan of the Infinity Engine too. NWN was fine but IE games were way better. OP: play BG2 with the mods. i recommand A LOT bg trilogy (play the first with the engine of the second) with in candlelight. Amazing stuff there. Otherwise, go for Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale II. Different style than BG but if you like the engine, well... it's the same one. Hope you like fights, though. | ||
SirJolt
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:26 FractalsOnFire wrote: Neverwinter Nights is decent, its nowhere near BG2 but i guess its passable. NWN:HotU on the other hand was a nice expansion, i enjoyed that thoroughly. (though one wonders why they even removed the whole party system in the first place...) I couldn't play the first BG, i found the interface too annoying. Resting was a bitch as well. The graphics weren't too much of a turn off... Hmm maybe i should try it again. Morrowind is easily better than oblivion hands down. So much more fun though it got a bit too easy at the end when i was all tanked up even when set to the hardest difficulty. What about Planescape Torment? It runs on the infinity engine as well and i think its also set in the BG universe except in the nine hells... Ah checked on wiki, its all the different planes of existence. Man, don't be fooled by the fact that Planescape is set in different universe. It is an excellent game overlooked by many people. As I wrote above, it has a beautiful storyline and lots of super interesting characters. If you haven't played it, do it now. I was also turned off by it at the beginning because I am a huge fan of Forgotten Realms. However, I checked it out and was not disappointed. Especially the mid part of it when you start unravelling the plot is extremely exciting. Some people didn't like it because it has a lot of reading. The dialogues tend to be long but this helps to build the atmosphere. It feels at the time as if you are reading an interactive book. Obviously, if you don't like reading then you might find it boring. But you should definitely give it a try. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:29 SirJolt wrote: I've just installed Knights of the Old Republic having missed out on it all those years ago. I have high hopes You won't be disappointed. An amazing game. Finished it 5 times and I think I solved all the quests which are there. Funny thing is that I got it as a gift from my gf. But at that time I stopped playing computer games as I decided I have no time for that time-consuming hobby. So I only played it a few years later and I was like, wtf?, what I was thinking not playing that game the very moment I got it  We broke up since then but I still have the game installed on my laptop and play it from time to time. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote: I'm a massive BG fan and I thought Neverwinter Nights (not II which sucked) was alright. Lacks a bit of the BG series' storytelling and is maybe a bit slower-moving, but a lot of the same Infinity Engine mechanics are still there. And the graphics are old now, but nevertheless pretty cool after years of looking at BG's sprites NWN's engine is fine, but the base game is really poor. The real value of NWN comes out of custom modules. It's a decent game, but be prepared to spend hours searching for good custom modules to play among the many terrible ones. On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote: and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games. They're different styles for sure. BG1 does a better job of capturing the classic D&D feel, but BG2 is probably the best rendition of the larger, more epic stories that are done today. BG1's biggest fault probably comes simply from the fact that it's low-level D&D, and not mid-high level, and therefore a vast majority of combat encounters simply require you to just attack-move through them. On September 20 2010 02:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Planescape Torment if you haven't played it yet Torment is a must-play. Arguably better than BG/BG2 (depending on how much you value story elements to combat encounters). | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7825 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:36 TheYango wrote: Some comments on other peoples' stuff: NWN's engine is fine, but the base game is really poor. The real value of NWN comes out of custom modules. It's a decent game, but be prepared to spend hours searching for good custom modules to play among the many terrible ones. They're different styles for sure. BG1 does a better job of capturing the classic D&D feel, but BG2 is probably the best rendition of the larger, more epic stories that are done today. BG1's biggest fault probably comes simply from the fact that it's low-level D&D, and not mid-high level, and therefore a vast majority of combat encounters simply require you to just attack-move through them. Well, play BG trilogy, and you'll discover a completely new BG1. Attack-move in BG1 result in a rape if you haven't made really good choice in terms of equipment, team composition, etc etc etc. The fight in themselves are not as genius as in BG2, but there is stilla lot to do. | ||
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Trollment
53 Posts
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
Totally stoked to get into it, though. As for other games: I loved The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind. Sooo much depth in that game. It's a very Western RPG, but it's absolutely fantastic. Another one that's a little bit more of a departure from RPG world, but still fucking fantastic: Mount and Blade. Excellent game with strategy, RPG, and action elements all rolled into one. Also, pretty sure you can get it on Steam for less than ten bucks. | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
I'll try Torment, later on I play bg2 with widescreen-mod (awesome!). | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:38 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well, play BG trilogy, and you'll discover a completely new BG1. Attack-move in BG1 result in a rape if you haven't made really good choice in terms of equipment, team composition, etc etc etc. The fight in themselves are not as genius as in BG2, but there is stilla lot to do. I did play with Trilogy. The fact is though, most party compositions don't have a vast number of spells available at that level range, period, and until level 7 (which is basically all of the game), fighter classes outstrip mages as far as combat utility goes, because mages simply don't have enough spell access to make a huge contribution in more than 1-2 fights per day. It's not to fault BG1 as a game--the content sort of called for starting at level 1, and from there it's simply a fault of the game system they employed. On September 20 2010 02:29 Biff The Understudy wrote: Otherwise, go for Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale II. Different style than BG but if you like the engine, well... it's the same one. Hope you like fights, though. IWD/IWD2 is a great dungeon crawler. Extremely lacking on the story/character development side (though I guess that's what happens when you start the game by rolling up a party of 6 nameless adventurers), but it actually manages to make low-level D&D not seem like a terrible grind, which is a feat in and of itself. On September 20 2010 02:29 SirJolt wrote: I've just installed Knights of the Old Republic having missed out on it all those years ago. I have high hopes KotOR is the best game I would use to introduce someone to the CRPG genre. Most people coming off experience from BG/Planescape/etc. found it a bit lacking in depth, but it totally makes up for it in accessibility (jumping straight into BG2 from having never played a western RPG is not really a friendly experience). | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:32 NIIINO wrote: aaaaa god that RPG runaspace ? i cant get the name right now but it looks similarly You talking about RunEscape? That's a mmo. Maybe you are talking about another one. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
I am a big fan of Baldur's Gate 2. In my opinion, Dragon Age is not a successor in any sense to the BG saga. Fallout 1 and 2, despite having a completely different theme and playstyle, nonetheless incorporates the old school "gameplay and story before graphics" focal point. I think you will like Fallout 1 and 2. Oblivion is RPG and it offers so much freedom, especially if you are willing to mass mod it. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3691 Posts
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Jopz
United States262 Posts
In all honesty though, in terms of a perfect marriage of gameplay, detail, scope, story, characters, and just downright badassery I think its all just downhill from BG2. And if you play on through Throne of Bhaal, it's just insane. Hopefully we see another game that comes close to matching BG2. Hell, if somebody ported over BG1/BG2 to a modern game engine with updated DND rules it would still kick so much ass. Anyway, going back to thread topic, as mentioned in previous replies KOTOR isn't bad, NWN is also ok, NWN2, if you can get past how bad the UI degenerated from BG2 can get kinda engrossing, especially the Mask of the Betrayer expansion. | ||
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Trollment
53 Posts
On September 20 2010 03:16 cascades wrote: Everyone mentions planescape and nwn and kotor? What about the rest of us, who have played these games before and their mediocre cousins like dragon age and cant find good stuff to play? There just isn't any, don't lower yourself to bad games. Good rpgs: Bg1,2 Planescape: Trollment, Witcher, Mass Effect1,2, Dragon age (not so good). Oh I remembered one epic game : Vampire the masquerade, it's game done in hl2 engine but it's pure rpg, just get the restoration mods before you start it so you get all the stuff. edit: Forgot Kotor from list | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
Of course the depth of BG is unparalleled. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7825 Posts
On September 20 2010 02:46 TheYango wrote: I did play with Trilogy. The fact is though, most party compositions don't have a vast number of spells available at that level range, period, and until level 7 (which is basically all of the game), fighter classes outstrip mages as far as combat utility goes, because mages simply don't have enough spell access to make a huge contribution in more than 1-2 fights per day. It's not to fault BG1 as a game--the content sort of called for starting at level 1, and from there it's simply a fault of the game system they employed. IWD/IWD2 is a great dungeon crawler. Extremely lacking on the story/character development side (though I guess that's what happens when you start the game by rolling up a party of 6 nameless adventurers), but it actually manages to make low-level D&D not seem like a terrible grind, which is a feat in and of itself. KotOR is the best game I would use to introduce someone to the CRPG genre. Most people coming off experience from BG/Planescape/etc. found it a bit lacking in depth, but it totally makes up for it in accessibility (jumping straight into BG2 from having never played a western RPG is not really a friendly experience). Well, you don't play BG that well then :-) Mages suck at low level at making damage, but their area spells such as web (level 2) or sleep (level 1 iirc) are ridiculously powerful. At the very beginning of the game, they cast only 2/3 times a day, but theses times are decisive. Afterward, and very quickly, mage becomes basically the most important character if you play it right. Problem is that most people believe that the best spells are damage doing spells, such as Melf arrow or magic projectiles. Remember the Xvart village? Well, one sleep spell and absolutely all the xvart are on the floor sleeping. Random noob will fight them one by one and getting flanked from everywhere (although xvart are so fucking bad that it doesn't really matter). IWD sucked compared to BG. That's true. It's still a good complement if you like action in the IE. | ||
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shoop
United Kingdom228 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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IMlemon
Lithuania296 Posts
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Groslouser
France337 Posts
Check out the add on "the bastard of kosigan"; it is originaly a french addon but it has been translated. You can find that on nwn vault. Also the last add-on: Horde of the Underdark is actually fun (the main story and the 1 add on are crap however). | ||
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Grend
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
In my opinion Planescape has by far the best story ever written for a video game. This game is a flawed diamond, history is amazing but gameplay is poor, fights are really boring and some part of the game feel "rushed". It is great literature and a big "fuck you" to power gaming and all the shitty rpg clichés. A game where undeads aren't evils, where there are almost no swords, orcs, dwarfs or elves and where charisma and wisdom are more valuable than strenght and constitution. I also find highly ironic that the most "human" and credible hero in video gaming is some sort of amnesiac zombie. Why ? Because this game is all about real human motivations and not saving the world, princess Y or killing villain X. This game is about the human person, and it makes me think of great movies like Memento, myths like Gilgamesh or SF novels like The Phantom of Kansas ( John Varley ). The thematics are completly different than in the other Rpg. It is not about revenge, domination, good vs evil etc... it is all about the nature of an human being, the relation between identity and memory, life and death, personal motivations, choices and how you use or manipulate other beings. On September 20 2010 03:36 bITt.mAN wrote: It's not as in-depth, complex or character-based as one could wish for, but I remember playing through and getting absolutely everything (all side-quests etc.) in Dungeon Siege 1, DS: Legends of Anara and DS:II was all pretty fun. In any case, they take forever to complete. Dungeon Siege is terrible... it is a bad diablo-like. That being said i think that you should give a try to good old BG1, i don't want to start a BG1 vs BG2 debate but i often feel that people underrate BG1 whereas they are drooling over its sequel ( i love both but i think they all have their pros and their cons ). In my opinion BG1's story and exploration is better, i also really like low level adventures but that's more a personal taste. With a couple of cool mods ( resolution, BG2 engine etc ... ) the game is still really cool. Icewind Dale is like BG1 ( same engine ) but sadly the story is shit and it is all about fights. It was a huge disappointment because the music and the decorations are beautiful. But if you enjoy more fights well i guess it is a decent game. Arcanum is quite clumsy and not really beautiful but it has a really interesting steam punk setting and a cool universe. I have tried NvN 2 but i just can't get into this game. Between the ugly 3D gfx with no personnality and the shitty storyline of the vanilla campaign i couldn't play more than a couple of hours. TheYango told me that the extension "Mask of the Betrayer " is way better but i have not started it yet. ( Still too disappointed by the main campaign  )I have also heard really good things about the Witcher and Vampire the masquarade but i need to try them before giving some advices :p ---------------------------- I will make a somewhat off topic recommendation because it is not a true Rpg but i think that if you haven't played Deus Ex you need to play it NOW. This is the best hybrid ever made and a fantastic mix between infiltration, Rpg and shoot with ton of interaction. ( The game need to be modded a bit too ). http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ceuyh/step_by_step_moddingguide_deus_ex_i_spilled_my/ | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2010 04:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: Mages suck at low level at making damage, but their area spells such as web (level 2) or sleep (level 1 iirc) are ridiculously powerful. At the very beginning of the game, they cast only 2/3 times a day, but theses times are decisive. Afterward, and very quickly, mage becomes basically the most important character if you play it right. I didn't disagree with this. I don't dispute that Web, Sleep, etc. are strong spells (and having played D&D in various forms for ~10 years now, I'd like to think I know what I'm doing). It still doesn't change the fact that a level 3 wizard simply doesn't have the spell volume to be relevant throughout an entire day without resting--4-5 very strong spells is still only 4 spells. The thing is, the encounters in BG1 are structured in such a way that you get far more than 3-5 encounters per day. You get a lot of trash encounters with 4-6 mid-difficulty monsters--enough that a mage-heavy party would actually have to burn spells on it (and thus have to rest more often than is reasonable), but not so difficult that you can't attack-move through them with a fighter-centric party. BG2 is different both in the fact that past level 7, mages have better spell volume (and can afford to burn lower level spells on such trash encounters), and by the fact that such encounters are fewer, and the predominant encounters are singular encounters of more concentrated difficulty. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
Icewind Dale sucks, I only played the first part but never even finished that one. Go to dungeon. Kill everything. Collect Item. Go back to town. Graphic is even worse than in BG1. Just a horrible game Neverwinter Nights was also horrible. The whole point of the game was the map making tool. They scripted the single player campaign with it and added something of a story. Accordingly it is very predictable. Plus there some major gameplay issues like entering a zone and zap you get instantly attacked (and killed) before you can even see whats going on since the game was somehow still loading lol t.t Also the Vampire series was pretty funny. Vampire the Masquerade:Redemption and Vampire the Masquerade:Bloodlines. Sadly they canceled the production of Bloodlines so it was released as a kind of beta version. But there are some community patches afair adding quite a few elements. Hm i really have to check out Planescape Torment now. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 20 2010 06:24 Djin)ftw( wrote: Icewind Dale sucks... Graphic is even worse than in BG1... I completly agree with you about IWD except for the gfx. I think that the problem is the resolution and it can be solved if you mod the game. ![[image loading]](http://www.elfemagie.com/icewind/chap1/images/4.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.elfemagie.com/icewind/chap3/images/47.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.elfemagie.com/icewind/chap5/images/x/5.jpg) Seriously the decorations are beautiful ... just get a wide screen + resolution mod. The only problem of the game is the lack of a real story. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On September 20 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote: I completly agree with you about IWD except for the gfx. I think that the problem is the resolution and it can be solved if you mod the game. + Show Spoiler + Seriously the decorations are beautiful ... just get a wide screen + resolution mod. The only problem of the game is the lack of a real story. Oh yeahs, looks indeed pretty good. The music was also nice if I remember correctly. Hm maybe I'll finish it someday. If it wasn't so stupid... btw how is Icewind Dale 2? I guess it's the same no story just 1a2a3a scheme? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2010 06:44 Djin)ftw( wrote: btw how is Icewind Dale 2? I guess it's the same no story just 1a2a3a scheme? The story is marginally better (not by enough to really be relevant). But yeah, basically the same scheme. Though it is 3rd edition D&D. On September 20 2010 03:42 Trollment wrote: There just isn't any, don't lower yourself to bad games. Good rpgs: Bg1,2 Planescape: Trollment, Witcher, Mass Effect1,2, Dragon age (not so good). Oh I remembered one epic game : Vampire the masquerade, it's game done in hl2 engine but it's pure rpg, just get the restoration mods before you start it so you get all the stuff. edit: Forgot Kotor from list This isn't even close to being true. There are plenty of indie games like Eschalon: Book 1, or the Spiderweb Software games, and some unrecognized gems like Arcanum. It's just that those aren't the first games you'd go to list because they're not exactly the most accessible games for someone with limited CRPG experience. Also, You have Mass Effect 1/2 listed but Dragon Age is "not so good"? I mean, Dragon Age wasn't amazing, but Mass Effect was the number 1 example of Bioware fake choice syndrome--they give you a bunch of things that look like they're meaningful and don't end up doing a damn thing in the grand scheme of the game (down to dialogues that play out the EXACT SAME WAY when you choose different dialogue options). | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
Hope someone takes up the challenge. | ||
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Rozza
United Kingdom45 Posts
mass effect 2 is so-so i'd reccomend trying oblivion with FCOM added modpack, it'll take you about a day to install (6hours) correctly, but so so so worth it | ||
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Trollment
53 Posts
This isn't even close to being true. There are plenty of indie games like Eschalon: Book 1, or the Spiderweb Software games, and some unrecognized gems like Arcanum. It's just that those aren't the first games you'd go to list because they're not exactly the most accessible games for someone with limited CRPG experience. Also, You have Mass Effect 1/2 listed but Dragon Age is "not so good"? I mean, Dragon Age wasn't amazing, but Mass Effect was the number 1 example of Bioware fake choice syndrome--they give you a bunch of things that look like they're meaningful and don't end up doing a damn thing in the grand scheme of the game (down to dialogues that play out the EXACT SAME WAY when you choose different dialogue options). I know arcanum, I didn't like it (world of magic and steam didn't hit me and it felt very fallout like in engine). Then again I don't like Fallouts so much (1 is ok, 2 I don't like). Yes Mass Effect 1 is bit boring and repetitive, but it has good side quests, which in my opinion are best in rpg games. Also you need to play in order to enjoy mass effect 2, which is like playing a movie. Mass Effect 2 takes best parts of fps and add rpg elements to it. Dialogues are really good in mass effect 2 and sidequests can be done in multiple different ways. This is so much more than bg1 or bg2 ever allowed, where you just had basically success or fail. Never heard of Eschalon. Also try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_–_Bloodlines edit: checked Eschalon it's turn based, big turn off. | ||
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