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Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
September 19 2010 17:09 GMT
#1
Teamliquid is awesome, when you need answers on complex/old questions.

What would you recommend as a replacement for baldurs gate 2? I'm not too much into newer roleplaying games, such as Dragon age (not a hater, just think newer roleplaying games are a bit too... meh).

Is there an MMO ala Baldurs gate 2? Other games out there?

Share your knowledge, guys!

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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 17:12:52
September 19 2010 17:11 GMT
#2
I'm a massive BG fan and I thought Neverwinter Nights (not II which sucked) was alright. Lacks a bit of the BG series' storytelling and is maybe a bit slower-moving, but a lot of the same Infinity Engine mechanics are still there. And the graphics are old now, but nevertheless pretty cool after years of looking at BG's sprites

If you're a hardcore BG fan I'd recommend playing out all of the mods before you move on to another series. There are some really great mods out there that add a ton of gameplay...

and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 17:19:27
September 19 2010 17:12 GMT
#3
NWN: HoU, maybe not as good as BG2 but absolutely worth your time. Its pretty challenging as well.

actually the original NWN and its expansions should be me all time favorite game
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NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
September 19 2010 17:13 GMT
#4
Neverwinter Nights is elder scrolls right? or am i getting that confused with something else.. I have oblivion for PS2 and although some part REALLY turned me off its quite an amazing game. Very complex, and u could play it for loads of time.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
September 19 2010 17:17 GMT
#5
On September 20 2010 02:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Neverwinter Nights is elder scrolls right? or am i getting that confused with something else.. I have oblivion for PS2 and although some part REALLY turned me off its quite an amazing game. Very complex, and u could play it for loads of time.


Don't think so. However, if you've enjoyed Oblivion and can put up with slightly dated graphics, I can't recommend Morrowind enough. Barring graphics and the combat system (you get used to it), Morrowind is superior in almost every way (guild quests and some other minor things are the only other pros I can think of for Oblivion when comparing to Morrowind.)
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3473 Posts
September 19 2010 17:20 GMT
#6
Planescape Torment if you haven't played it yet
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
September 19 2010 17:26 GMT
#7
NwN is not ender scrolls kurt, is DnD, but oblivion morrowind and NwN are all amazing amazing games that took up months of my life, so I recommend them all

and op i assume you have played the icewind dales ? if not il be shocked !
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
September 19 2010 17:26 GMT
#8
Neverwinter Nights is decent, its nowhere near BG2 but i guess its passable. NWN:HotU on the other hand was a nice expansion, i enjoyed that thoroughly. (though one wonders why they even removed the whole party system in the first place...)

I couldn't play the first BG, i found the interface too annoying. Resting was a bitch as well. The graphics weren't too much of a turn off... Hmm maybe i should try it again.

Morrowind is easily better than oblivion hands down. So much more fun though it got a bit too easy at the end when i was all tanked up even when set to the hardest difficulty.

What about Planescape Torment? It runs on the infinity engine as well and i think its also set in the BG universe except in the nine hells... Ah checked on wiki, its all the different planes of existence.

Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 19 2010 17:27 GMT
#9
Neverwinter Nights is from Black Isle. It is not Elder Scroll.

I agree with JWD. Baldur's Gate 1 was better than BG2. Much more freedom in what to do and the city Baldur's Gate was better done that Athkatla.

There was also Icewind Dale series set in Forgotten Realms also done by Black Isle. Decent entertainment but not as good as BG. I preferred the Icewind Dale 1 compared to the sequel. They are more hack'n'slash but still highly entertaining, done with exactly the same engine as Baldur's Gate and by the same people.


Finally, there is a gem that is mostly forgotten now. It is called:

PLANESCAPE: TORMENT

A beautiful game. Focused more on thinking then battling monsters. And the storyline is beautiful; simply beautiful. "What can change the nature of man?" is the main question which drives a lot of the plot.



And there are no MMO a la BG as far as I know.


PS. If you want sth newer by Black Isle, Star Wars: The Knights of The Old Republic (2001) is ridiculously good. I spent countless of hours playing it.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7883 Posts
September 19 2010 17:29 GMT
#10
On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote:
I'm a massive BG fan and I thought Neverwinter Nights (not II which sucked) was alright. Lacks a bit of the BG series' storytelling and is maybe a bit slower-moving, but a lot of the same Infinity Engine mechanics are still there. And the graphics are old now, but nevertheless pretty cool after years of looking at BG's sprites

If you're a hardcore BG fan I'd recommend playing out all of the mods before you move on to another series. There are some really great mods out there that add a ton of gameplay...

and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games.

I am such a hardcore fan of the Infinity Engine too. NWN was fine but IE games were way better.

OP: play BG2 with the mods. i recommand A LOT bg trilogy (play the first with the engine of the second) with in candlelight. Amazing stuff there.

Otherwise, go for Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale II. Different style than BG but if you like the engine, well... it's the same one. Hope you like fights, though.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
September 19 2010 17:29 GMT
#11
I've just installed Knights of the Old Republic having missed out on it all those years ago. I have high hopes
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 19 2010 17:31 GMT
#12
On September 20 2010 02:26 FractalsOnFire wrote:
Neverwinter Nights is decent, its nowhere near BG2 but i guess its passable. NWN:HotU on the other hand was a nice expansion, i enjoyed that thoroughly. (though one wonders why they even removed the whole party system in the first place...)

I couldn't play the first BG, i found the interface too annoying. Resting was a bitch as well. The graphics weren't too much of a turn off... Hmm maybe i should try it again.

Morrowind is easily better than oblivion hands down. So much more fun though it got a bit too easy at the end when i was all tanked up even when set to the hardest difficulty.

What about Planescape Torment? It runs on the infinity engine as well and i think its also set in the BG universe except in the nine hells... Ah checked on wiki, its all the different planes of existence.



Man, don't be fooled by the fact that Planescape is set in different universe. It is an excellent game overlooked by many people. As I wrote above, it has a beautiful storyline and lots of super interesting characters. If you haven't played it, do it now.

I was also turned off by it at the beginning because I am a huge fan of Forgotten Realms. However, I checked it out and was not disappointed. Especially the mid part of it when you start unravelling the plot is extremely exciting.

Some people didn't like it because it has a lot of reading. The dialogues tend to be long but this helps to build the atmosphere. It feels at the time as if you are reading an interactive book. Obviously, if you don't like reading then you might find it boring. But you should definitely give it a try.
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
September 19 2010 17:32 GMT
#13
aaaaa god that RPG runaspace ? i cant get the name right now but it looks similarly
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 19 2010 17:34 GMT
#14
On September 20 2010 02:29 SirJolt wrote:
I've just installed Knights of the Old Republic having missed out on it all those years ago. I have high hopes


You won't be disappointed. An amazing game. Finished it 5 times and I think I solved all the quests which are there.

Funny thing is that I got it as a gift from my gf. But at that time I stopped playing computer games as I decided I have no time for that time-consuming hobby. So I only played it a few years later and I was like, wtf?, what I was thinking not playing that game the very moment I got it We broke up since then but I still have the game installed on my laptop and play it from time to time.

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 17:40:02
September 19 2010 17:36 GMT
#15
Some comments on other peoples' stuff:

On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote:
I'm a massive BG fan and I thought Neverwinter Nights (not II which sucked) was alright. Lacks a bit of the BG series' storytelling and is maybe a bit slower-moving, but a lot of the same Infinity Engine mechanics are still there. And the graphics are old now, but nevertheless pretty cool after years of looking at BG's sprites

NWN's engine is fine, but the base game is really poor. The real value of NWN comes out of custom modules. It's a decent game, but be prepared to spend hours searching for good custom modules to play among the many terrible ones.

On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote:
and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games.

They're different styles for sure. BG1 does a better job of capturing the classic D&D feel, but BG2 is probably the best rendition of the larger, more epic stories that are done today.

BG1's biggest fault probably comes simply from the fact that it's low-level D&D, and not mid-high level, and therefore a vast majority of combat encounters simply require you to just attack-move through them.

On September 20 2010 02:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Planescape Torment if you haven't played it yet

Torment is a must-play. Arguably better than BG/BG2 (depending on how much you value story elements to combat encounters).
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7883 Posts
September 19 2010 17:38 GMT
#16
On September 20 2010 02:36 TheYango wrote:
Some comments on other peoples' stuff:

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote:
I'm a massive BG fan and I thought Neverwinter Nights (not II which sucked) was alright. Lacks a bit of the BG series' storytelling and is maybe a bit slower-moving, but a lot of the same Infinity Engine mechanics are still there. And the graphics are old now, but nevertheless pretty cool after years of looking at BG's sprites

NWN's engine is fine, but the base game is really poor. The real value of NWN comes out of custom modules. It's a decent game, but be prepared to spend hours searching for good custom modules to play among the many terrible ones.

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 02:11 JWD wrote:
and of course (since you didn't mention it in your OP) if you haven't played the original Baldur's Gate you need to get off TL immediately and start on that shit. I much prefer it to BGII actually, though both are great games.

They're different styles for sure. BG1 does a better job of capturing the classic D&D feel, but BG2 is probably the best rendition of the larger, more epic stories that are done today.

BG1's biggest fault probably comes simply from the fact that it's low-level D&D, and not mid-high level, and therefore a vast majority of combat encounters simply require you to just attack-move through them.

Well, play BG trilogy, and you'll discover a completely new BG1.

Attack-move in BG1 result in a rape if you haven't made really good choice in terms of equipment, team composition, etc etc etc. The fight in themselves are not as genius as in BG2, but there is stilla lot to do.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Trollment
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
September 19 2010 17:38 GMT
#17
Yeah I would suggest PLANESCAPE: TROLLMENT too probably the the best rpg that there ever will be. Mass Effect 2 though was suberb too.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
September 19 2010 17:40 GMT
#18
I just installed BG2 and am trying to get started on it. I'm having the hardest time settling on a class and just playing the game. =\

Totally stoked to get into it, though.

As for other games:

I loved The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind. Sooo much depth in that game. It's a very Western RPG, but it's absolutely fantastic.

Another one that's a little bit more of a departure from RPG world, but still fucking fantastic: Mount and Blade. Excellent game with strategy, RPG, and action elements all rolled into one. Also, pretty sure you can get it on Steam for less than ten bucks.
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
September 19 2010 17:41 GMT
#19
Seems like there's alot of old gamers out there :p.! Good!

I'll try Torment, later on I play bg2 with widescreen-mod (awesome!).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 17:56:02
September 19 2010 17:46 GMT
#20
On September 20 2010 02:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Well, play BG trilogy, and you'll discover a completely new BG1.

Attack-move in BG1 result in a rape if you haven't made really good choice in terms of equipment, team composition, etc etc etc. The fight in themselves are not as genius as in BG2, but there is stilla lot to do.

I did play with Trilogy. The fact is though, most party compositions don't have a vast number of spells available at that level range, period, and until level 7 (which is basically all of the game), fighter classes outstrip mages as far as combat utility goes, because mages simply don't have enough spell access to make a huge contribution in more than 1-2 fights per day.

It's not to fault BG1 as a game--the content sort of called for starting at level 1, and from there it's simply a fault of the game system they employed.

On September 20 2010 02:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Otherwise, go for Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale II. Different style than BG but if you like the engine, well... it's the same one. Hope you like fights, though.

IWD/IWD2 is a great dungeon crawler. Extremely lacking on the story/character development side (though I guess that's what happens when you start the game by rolling up a party of 6 nameless adventurers), but it actually manages to make low-level D&D not seem like a terrible grind, which is a feat in and of itself.

On September 20 2010 02:29 SirJolt wrote:
I've just installed Knights of the Old Republic having missed out on it all those years ago. I have high hopes

KotOR is the best game I would use to introduce someone to the CRPG genre. Most people coming off experience from BG/Planescape/etc. found it a bit lacking in depth, but it totally makes up for it in accessibility (jumping straight into BG2 from having never played a western RPG is not really a friendly experience).
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