EPTI suggest you mute it.
Tried to get into SC2, as a spectator - Page 5
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I suggest you mute it. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
The 3D/cluster thing... if a toss have 4 or 5 colossi in this army then all I can see are the colossi as thy cover up everything else due to their size and how they can step over units. Also in BW I feel that units take more "room" (zerglings are so small in sc2, and that marine ball seem so much... more dense) I suspect as the game evolves and as maps get a lot bigger we will see less of that 1 big army v 1 big army fight and will be seeing more multi-front battle+harassment (already emerging in tvX). Imagine a bigger version of desert oasis where placing an army on your ramp wouldnt save both your main and natural. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On September 19 2010 22:49 Jibba wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTSL2NY_9A&feature=related I suggest you mute it. One thing have value when you compare it to something similar | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On September 19 2010 23:30 mdb wrote: One thing have value when you compare it to something similar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NZk8vUFoU A better example and comparison. Skip to 10 minutes for the game. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On September 19 2010 22:44 Milkis wrote: Wow, so many staunch defenders of SC2 pop up, all trying to find excuses =( There are games that are just hard to watch, and I think SC2 is one of them. The 3D is rather disorienting when you're watching the game as a spectator. I don't think Kona said much about the players playing, just the game mechanics/graphics instead. I dont really get what you mean by "trying to find excuses" except for the one argument that people arent playing the game at the highest level yet. I truely enjoy watching the game and I never find myself disoriented. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Now sure, you could make it so scvs are autotargeted when repairing, but this would never be a problem to begin with if scvs were big enough that you could actually see and target them. Good grief. | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:16 zer0das wrote: It's really freaking problematic you can't even see scvs underneath Thors- not just as a spectator. I lost to like 4 Thors when I had an entire army because I couldn't even see the scvs underneath the Thors. When I finally got it down to 1 Thor, I still couldn't see the last three scvs and lost due to that. Now sure, you could make it so scvs are autotargeted when repairing, but this would never be a problem to begin with if scvs were big enough that you could actually see and target them. Good grief. And dark swarm or floating buildings were fair in that sense? | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On September 19 2010 23:30 mdb wrote: One thing have value when you compare it to something similar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NZk8vUFoU i must be getting crazy. but watching that reminds me of reaper gay killing all ur lings, and then getting ur queen and the hatch. although doing that with vultures is 10x harder in bw, visually they arent too different, both units can outrun lings and can kite them forever | ||
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mykyoyo
United States33 Posts
It's probably much easier to see what's going on when you're using a gigantic monitor and not trying to watch a 200x300 stream, but it's still and issue, especially for something that's meant to step up and take the place of SC1. I keep wondering if they'll release a graphics fix to brighten things up. Anyone remember the SC1 beta graphics? Hah.  | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
That's what's so unfortunate about this whole thing: BW's crappy interface and AI is one of the things that made it so great. Taking it away may take something away from the game, but again - do you really blame them? Can you really see them NOT making these improvements that are pretty much expected, given the technology available today? Some of the other things are fixable (sounds, animations), and I hope that will happen. And I really do firmly believe that it will get more interesting to watch as time goes on. Earlier today I was actually watching Grrr... vs H.O.T. Forever OSL finals, and it was just laughable compared to what BW has become today, and frankly, not nearly as interesting to watch. Obviously SC2 isn't starting in as much of an RTS/e-sports stone age as that game was, but there is still a ton of room for evolution and changes in playstyle. (Most notably 1-base plays) And lastly, you have to remember that while designing the new units/abilities for the expansions, Blizzard is listening. They want SC2 to succeed as an e-sport as much as we do (well, some of us), so they're certainly going to take feedback into account to do the best job possible. I can guarantee you that they have ready tons of post just like this. They know a lot of things that are wrong, they know what people want more of (RIBORIBORIBO AHHHHH), and I have a lot of faith that they can make that happen in the expansions. Sorry for the wall of text >.< | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 20 2010 03:27 T0fuuu wrote: i must be getting crazy. but watching that reminds me of reaper gay killing all ur lings, and then getting ur queen and the hatch. although doing that with vultures is 10x harder in bw, visually they arent too different, both units can outrun lings and can kite them forever In that case it wasn't. Microing speed vultures vs. lings is ridiculously easy. I suspect things like TLO's Reapers vs. roaches/queen are much higher difficulty. EDIT: Yes, I know the main difficulty is in multitasking at the same time, I'm just saying that TLO's margin of error was much less. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:38 mishimaBeef wrote: And dark swarm or floating buildings were fair in that sense? You can see units under dark swarm unless they've casted it multiple times on the same patch. Floating buildings don't attack, so unless it's the scvs on the ramp with marines behind them and a rax over it, it almost isn't ever a problem. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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drag_
England425 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
New strategies and stronger players won't really bring forth a more entertaining experience. Lower level BW is still damn entertaining for a normal spectator, even more than SC2's higher level games. I'd have to suspect that new maps won't bring a much better viewing experience either, due to battle mechanics. Like Konadora said, its simply the presentation that kills the spectating experience of SC2. What really kills the experience for me is how.. distant I feel from the action. I think this has to do with how zoomed out things are, a battle of almost any scale will make me rather yawn. The grapic clarity is bad, the unit sound is uninspiring, and things are so damn small its too hard to get excited at a distance. Also how units ball up so perfectly and 200/200 armies move around unnaturally perfect, and that battles are over so fast that I didn't even get to enjoy the explosions.. 200/200 battles are just not impressive in SC2. In BW, units tended to sprawl out instead, and when 200/200 armies clashed in BW, just how the armies engaged each other makes it a lot more fun to watch. I dunno, I just can't get excited over 2 balls clashing into each other. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
How many times can you watch two armies 1a into each other before you simply cannot pretend that you find it enjoyable anymore? The sounds and graphics are simply not as good as in Brood War. In BW, you can immediately figure out that the siege tank arclite cannon is not something to fuck around with just by listening to the sound. You can tell that the zealot has a lot of attack. Wraith ground attack sounds weak. Blue lightning over someone's units are not good. That orange cloud probably provides some cover. Lurkers can be pretty nasty. Archons look like they pack a punch. It's really easy to see what's going on and even if you have never played the game before you can kinda figure out what's good for you and what's bad. I don't think it's that way for SC2. Don't understand what people find so enjoyable about watching this shit. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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