EPTYet another Zerg player giving up TerranCraft - Page 2
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:13 Integra wrote: Unless I vastly out expand Terran and manage to get ultralisks I'm dead in the late game so I see no point in continuing playing. This sounds somewhat familiar... with maybe the defiler and cracklings missing. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Glaven
Canada554 Posts
On September 02 2010 10:38 Kenpachi wrote: you should play vs me. my TvZ is my worst mu Same lol (Random player though, for now). That being said, I do agree that too many zergs are unwilling to try new things to get ZvT to work for them. Wasn't zerg considered OP in beta at one point? | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On September 02 2010 10:51 Glaven wrote: Same lol (Random player though, for now). That being said, I do agree that too many zergs are unwilling to try new things to get ZvT to work for them. Wasn't zerg considered OP in beta at one point? At that point roaches were 1 food, thors didnt splash, and terran build orders were not fleshed out. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
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Shauni
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
But in all seriousness, yes we know ZvT is hard right now. If you don't have fun playing it then don't... I have a feeling that if you would loosen up a little and realize you probably have over a 50% win rate against terran (you said you're 1200+ so this is probably true) you would have more fun and play better. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:14 GreatFall wrote: Wait for the patch, maybe they will fix the game. That's what I'm doing as a Zerg player also. I stopped playing 1v1 until the patch. I did however beat brutal campaign last night woot! Now that's fun. The single game campaign is prolly the biggest reason why I'm still playing SCII right now. It takes a really a long time to finish all missions on all difficulties and to get all the achievements. Blizzard really made the single player long lasting, fun and challenging. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:24 Sc1pio wrote: Yeah this is the most confusing part of the current ZvT discussion: every zerg on TL has a different reason why the MU is imbalanced. I wrote a blog on it a while back and mostly got flamed for asking what the general consensus was on why they thought the MU was imbalanced. I even think IdrA mentioned in an interview that after early game he was more comfortable playing ZvT than ZvP, though that may just be personal preference. It's because they're convinced its imbalanced, and therefore anything that terran ever does to beat them is solely due to imbalance. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:44 Dente wrote: Dear friend, the times where zvt was imbalanced are over. Pure mech gets destroyed by mass muta's and rine tank will get beaten by baneling/muta/speedling and I even got destroyed by a zerg on 3 base making ultras. Zergs are admitting that terran has to finnish them early game, or it's over for the terran. They are also admitting that zvt is actually easier then zvp. The only strong build for terran is 5rax reaper, and that's also stoppable. There are a few zergs left who are indeed using old imbalance issues as excuses for losing. Banelings, ultras, broodlords, mutalisks: all awesome units. I can say even more: when zergs figured out timings and ways to stop early terran harass, I don't see a terran winning against zerg. This post is evidence of why it is pointless to start a discussion with a terran player involving TvZ balance, because they can't seem to accept the idea that sometimes when they win, it is not due to skill, but matchup imbalance | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On September 02 2010 15:12 Kashll wrote: The reason zerg players are worse than terrans is that zergs spend half of their practice time whining on forums about imbalance. But in all seriousness, yes we know ZvT is hard right now. If you don't have fun playing it then don't... I have a feeling that if you would loosen up a little and realize you probably have over a 50% win rate against terran (you said you're 1200+ so this is probably true) you would have more fun and play better. Erm no that is not why zerg players are worse than terrans. yeah I post my opinions on TvZ, and also practice a shitload more too with at least 4 rl friends who play diamond Terran on a daily basis. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On September 02 2010 16:52 Divinek wrote: i wonder if this was what it was like in the korean community when boxer first beat yellow with those bunker rushes... I don't know how many times I said the same thing. But I was thinking more of Blackman and Boxers m&m drops all over the map lol | ||
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ubiquitousnewt
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-Terrible scouting (No queen parasite, and changelling is a joke) -Fragile units that aren't particularly cheap in either minerals/gas or food cap (Boo no dark swarm) Considering how bad zerglings are after midgame, you may as well give me 4 or 6 per egg. They're all gonna die anyway just getting my hydras in range. -Lousy damage (No defiler plague & only one unit with bonus vs armor) -Bad mobility (Hydralisk speed, Nydus worm screams & fragility, build on creep...Come to think, all these lame speed upgrades are amazingly inferior to stimpack, concussive shells...SIEGE MODE...) -Bad air (No scourge, OLs can't detect, easy prey to vikings) -Dreadful queen macro micromanagement. Spawn larva is the pits. -Negligible wall-in ability -A crummy caster with lame, easily countered spells. (You think 12-second NP or FG is all that? Compare please to forcefield, storm, or "nuke") -No cliffjumping -No cloaked attackers -...Overall formulaic "just to try to survive" play. Basically, a zerg player has almost no "tricks" up his sleeve aside from macro, macro, more macro (because too much macro won't get you killed AT ALL...) burying units (ooh, no one ever thought of THAT before!) and 1a-move. I kind of hate playing zerg now, but the Terrans are just too cheesy, and the protoss are too weird... you have to be so vastly much better than a Terran to beat him, it's ridiculous. I think I'll take my silver ladder placement & beating the campaign on brutal for now, and stick to unrated matches for "fun," and by "fun" I mean Terran fun and me just keeping my geezerly APM up. As to caring how I perform? ...call me when the expansion comes out in 3 years and they manage to create a team as functional as it was in Broodwar circa 1998 | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
Again, I don't play at a high level but I do play, and I watch a LOT of high level games. What I do notice at my low level of play, is that in-game and on forums you get beat up non-stop for playing Terran. It's seriously almost to the point where you can't have a reasonable discussion about Terran strategy anywhere without it turning into a nerf terran or "You suck because you play Terran" conversation. I'm certain that any small imba issues are not causing low level players to lose vs Terran, but they certainly think it is due to these kinds of posts. Even at high level play, and even though I'm not a high level player, it appears as though any imbalance issues there might be are still responsible for a very small number of Zerg losses. Day9 had a great explanation of this poisonous thinking in one of his dailies (I think it was a recent one, but can't remember) which I think really sums it up, so I'd recommend watching that if you haven't already. | ||
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