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Yet another Zerg player giving up TerranCraft

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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 08:21:55
September 01 2010 16:13 GMT
#1
Unless I vastly out expand Terran and manage to get ultralisks I'm dead in the late game so I see no point in continuing playing.

I refuse to start playing Terran so I'll just stop playing ladder until they fix the Terran Zerg MU.

Even if I improve the only thing i can look forward to is the perfect 4-5 barrack reaper rush opening and bunker abuse and if I have to face that shit in every game I'll trash my room and I cannot afford that. To everyone else that still plays the ladder, enjoy TerranCraft.


EDIT: to the posters bellow me
I reasoned the exact same way like all of you posters bellow. Then I hit 900 points in diamond and switched from Random to Zerg, this is where my dislike for Terrans started to grow. Somewhere around1.2k points my dislike against Terran had grown to such a degree that I couldn't even see the race "Terran" show up on the loading screen and not totally tilt. I have a excellent win ratio against other Zerg players. I also have no problem against Protoss. However I cannot win against Terran. It's note because I am bad, It's not because the other player is better. It is because he plays Terran. And that's what pisses me off. It pisses me off even when I've won and open up the replay and see what I had to do compared to Terran to win that game. No matter what I do I lose because it pisses me off and ruins my gaming experince.

EDIT: @CHILL: what were the cooldowns on the wargate again, where they shared or were they all the same?

EDIT3: Based on a graph taken from sc2stats, all credit for these goes to ReplayArk at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149442
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Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
September 01 2010 16:20 GMT
#2
I recently switched from T to P. Its good fun, try it ! :O
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 16:22:25
September 01 2010 16:21 GMT
#3
Maybe I'll do that. 4-5 gateway allin is always fun. I think it was CellaWeRRa that died to it 3 times in a row on his stream lol.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
September 01 2010 16:30 GMT
#4
If Zerg sucks in GSL Blizzard will finally fix this game
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 01 2010 16:32 GMT
#5
I will. Of everything Z players whine about these days, 5% is stuff that might be a legitimate concern, 95% is stuff that's fine but Z players have an excuse for losing and end up stop trying against anything that's difficult..
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
September 01 2010 16:36 GMT
#6
On September 02 2010 01:32 Slayer91 wrote:
I will. Of everything Z players whine about these days, 5% is stuff that might be a legitimate concern, 95% is stuff that's fine but Z players have an excuse for losing and end up stop trying against anything that's difficult..

I tend to agree with this. Maybe it's because I play random so I can't be exploited too early, but I find ZvT and ZvP are some of my favourite matchups and I usually have great games playing them.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 16:45:24
September 01 2010 16:44 GMT
#7
Dear friend, the times where zvt was imbalanced are over. Pure mech gets destroyed by mass muta's and rine tank will get beaten by baneling/muta/speedling and I even got destroyed by a zerg on 3 base making ultras. Zergs are admitting that terran has to finnish them early game, or it's over for the terran. They are also admitting that zvt is actually easier then zvp. The only strong build for terran is 5rax reaper, and that's also stoppable.

There are a few zergs left who are indeed using old imbalance issues as excuses for losing. Banelings, ultras, broodlords, mutalisks: all awesome units.

I can say even more: when zergs figured out timings and ways to stop early terran harass, I don't see a terran winning against zerg.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
September 01 2010 16:45 GMT
#8
Once several ridiculous early game Terran builds are sorted, the MU isn't that bad.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
September 01 2010 16:47 GMT
#9
I switched from Terran to Zerg two weeks ago :x
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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 01 2010 16:56 GMT
#10
I actually really like ZvT. The only real trouble Zerg has against Terran is early reaper harassment. It's extremely tough to deal with until ling speed. The maps are also bad I suppose. Overall it's not THAT bad of a MU, still hard though.

ZvT on BW was hard too.
Not bad for a cat toy.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
September 01 2010 16:57 GMT
#11
Don't give up on the swarm! yes some things aren't balanced or fair, but you know what? at least you have self respect
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 01 2010 17:01 GMT
#12
If you don't enjoy playing zerg in ladder then don't.As a random I think terran has an advantage in TvZ but it's not that big.Personally the only thing that I actually really enjoy is infestor play in zvt .
metaphoR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States199 Posts
September 01 2010 17:01 GMT
#13
i personally feel terran is really gimmicky. all their units are glass cannons and when people learn how to stop all harass and such terran will start to feel under powered.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
September 01 2010 17:04 GMT
#14
Do play WoW by any chance?
ThE.SparkZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States381 Posts
September 01 2010 17:08 GMT
#15
Do you use jumbo sized tampons by any chance?

Wait for patch 1.1 at least it's not as unbalanced as you would think, coming from a zerg player here.
A battle between gods is just so damn beautiful
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 01 2010 17:13 GMT
#16
OP you're pretty impatient. Obviously the game's gonna get patched...if you really can't wait and would rather just abandon your preferred race then I don't know what to say.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 01 2010 17:17 GMT
#17
On September 02 2010 01:36 Chill wrote:
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On September 02 2010 01:32 Slayer91 wrote:
I will. Of everything Z players whine about these days, 5% is stuff that might be a legitimate concern, 95% is stuff that's fine but Z players have an excuse for losing and end up stop trying against anything that's difficult..

I tend to agree with this. Maybe it's because I play random so I can't be exploited too early, but I find ZvT and ZvP are some of my favourite matchups and I usually have great games playing them.


I second this. It seems that anytime a Zerg player loses vs Terran he always blames the game, and we eventually get counter productive complaints asking for a nerf on anything that they ever lose to.

I actually find ZvT really fun too, especially when they use marine marauder as their core army. Infestor + ling + bling is probably as entertaining and exciting as the game gets right now :D
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 17:25:52
September 01 2010 17:23 GMT
#18
On September 02 2010 01:30 village_idiot wrote:
If Zerg sucks in GSL Blizzard will finally fix this game

The funny thing is that in the Korean league, Zergs have actually decided to become proactive and are doing quite well despite the constant whining overseas (see melodramatic OP for a prime example). It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I'm fairly certain top zerg players are looking forward to a patch of utter zerg dominance.
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
September 01 2010 21:14 GMT
#19
Wait for the patch, maybe they will fix the game. That's what I'm doing as a Zerg player also. I stopped playing 1v1 until the patch. I did however beat brutal campaign last night woot! Now that's fun.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
September 01 2010 21:24 GMT
#20
On September 02 2010 01:32 Slayer91 wrote:
I will. Of everything Z players whine about these days, 5% is stuff that might be a legitimate concern, 95% is stuff that's fine but Z players have an excuse for losing and end up stop trying against anything that's difficult..


Yeah this is the most confusing part of the current ZvT discussion: every zerg on TL has a different reason why the MU is imbalanced. I wrote a blog on it a while back and mostly got flamed for asking what the general consensus was on why they thought the MU was imbalanced.

I even think IdrA mentioned in an interview that after early game he was more comfortable playing ZvT than ZvP, though that may just be personal preference.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
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