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AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 28 2010 22:34 GMT
#21
BW forever
always tired -_-
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
August 28 2010 22:46 GMT
#22
I love SC2 and it's going to only get bigger. Enjoy watching it so much.
Life is Good.
palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
August 28 2010 23:05 GMT
#23
yeah I'm sure as the best get better and the maps get bigger, there will be less 1 basing, more "barely able to defend" moments, and overall more quality stuff for spectators
time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
August 28 2010 23:06 GMT
#24
I would stay up till the wee hours of the morning to watch some BW.
I would NEVER do that for sc2.

BW is waaay more fun to watch but sc2 isn't [i]that[i/] bad. If Blizzard didn't nerf everything that made for cool-spectator moments it'd be a lot better. (mothership, storms, emp, neural, burrowed roaches, etc).
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
August 28 2010 23:08 GMT
#25
pvp and zvz seem to be horrible mirrors to watch. it's all 4 gate or collosus accumulation with who can aggro warp-in the other person first. Not saying it does not take skill, but it's a bit "meh" to watch.

but stay tuned, all Terran games soon to be mass marauder marine if blizzard goes through with their patch notes (they already have become mass bio-fest).
Sup
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
August 28 2010 23:13 GMT
#26
It would be impossible for SC2 to already surpass BW watchability. Does anyone really expect it to be better at this point? SC2 metagame and talent is in its infancy. BW is a finely aged wine. Of course BW is better to watch, however, for it's youth, SC2 is amazing fun to watch.

Gretorp v Silver, Socke v drewbie, TLO v NaDa and numerous other games are already just fascinating to watch. In a couple years, with some new units to match a mature metagame and progamer-level talent? Have no fear, SC2 is here to stay. As long as the community's passion doesn't falter for Cataclysm or Diablo 3 or some other RTS that may come along.
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MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 23:14:54
August 28 2010 23:14 GMT
#27
On August 29 2010 07:32 Grobyc wrote:
I prefer watching BW easily, but I don't completely hate watching SC2 or anything. I also really love playing SC2, so it's not some kind of biased thing. This could change, because I think one reason some people enjoy watching BW more is because you are often able to determine the outcome before it happens. Maybe, it's just me, but in BW if I see 12 marines and 5 medics against 12 hydras I know the Terran should win; in SC2, if it's 12 marines and 5 medivacs against 12 hydras I don't for sure(pretty sure hydras would win though). In BW, I know the timings of stuff; I know when players should be able to do damage, so if I see one player moving out I go "OMG WTF CAN TERRAN DEFEND THIS???", but in SC2 I don't know those as well either. Half the time I think one player has nice timing he ends up getting crushed easily and it's just not as epic as I think it should have been.



Yeah but it's going to take time and familiarity before the OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG moments truly start to happen. We have some now but they aren't the same as in bw, I agree. However, bw has been around for ages and a lot of us have played for 10 years or so. So obviously we know the ends and outs (or is it the ins and outs... I've actually never typed this phrase before... interesting) of it and can look at a situation and have a good idea of the turn out.
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FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 23:19:52
August 28 2010 23:19 GMT
#28
On August 29 2010 08:14 AdamFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 07:32 Grobyc wrote:
I prefer watching BW easily, but I don't completely hate watching SC2 or anything. I also really love playing SC2, so it's not some kind of biased thing. This could change, because I think one reason some people enjoy watching BW more is because you are often able to determine the outcome before it happens. Maybe, it's just me, but in BW if I see 12 marines and 5 medics against 12 hydras I know the Terran should win; in SC2, if it's 12 marines and 5 medivacs against 12 hydras I don't for sure(pretty sure hydras would win though). In BW, I know the timings of stuff; I know when players should be able to do damage, so if I see one player moving out I go "OMG WTF CAN TERRAN DEFEND THIS???", but in SC2 I don't know those as well either. Half the time I think one player has nice timing he ends up getting crushed easily and it's just not as epic as I think it should have been.



Yeah but it's going to take time and familiarity before the OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG moments truly start to happen. We have some now but they aren't the same as in bw, I agree. However, bw has been around for ages and a lot of us have played for 10 years or so. So obviously we know the ends and outs (or is it the ins and outs... I've actually never typed this phrase before... interesting) of it and can look at a situation and have a good idea of the turn out.



Well when the mother ship gets a buff that allows it to use planet cracker then i might enjoy it.
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
August 28 2010 23:32 GMT
#29
You're never going to see all the sick micro and macro and timing pushes and game sense you see in Brood War.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 29 2010 00:56 GMT
#30
On August 29 2010 08:14 AdamFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 07:32 Grobyc wrote:
I prefer watching BW easily, but I don't completely hate watching SC2 or anything. I also really love playing SC2, so it's not some kind of biased thing. This could change, because I think one reason some people enjoy watching BW more is because you are often able to determine the outcome before it happens. Maybe, it's just me, but in BW if I see 12 marines and 5 medics against 12 hydras I know the Terran should win; in SC2, if it's 12 marines and 5 medivacs against 12 hydras I don't for sure(pretty sure hydras would win though). In BW, I know the timings of stuff; I know when players should be able to do damage, so if I see one player moving out I go "OMG WTF CAN TERRAN DEFEND THIS???", but in SC2 I don't know those as well either. Half the time I think one player has nice timing he ends up getting crushed easily and it's just not as epic as I think it should have been.



Yeah but it's going to take time and familiarity before the OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG moments truly start to happen. We have some now but they aren't the same as in bw, I agree. However, bw has been around for ages and a lot of us have played for 10 years or so. So obviously we know the ends and outs (or is it the ins and outs... I've actually never typed this phrase before... interesting) of it and can look at a situation and have a good idea of the turn out.


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Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
August 29 2010 01:05 GMT
#31
Watching players fight the crappy UI is half the fun. MBS and smartcast makes macro and storms unimpressive.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 01:24:59
August 29 2010 01:24 GMT
#32
Everything clusters up way too much... it's really difficult to look at a marine/maruder ball and tell how many units are there in a glance. Starcraft you can tell that pretty much instantly because the area they take up is a lot larger. Nevermind Colossi walking over stuff...
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
August 29 2010 02:03 GMT
#33
The only reason I enjoy BW more than SC2 at the moment is because I have more emotional attachment to the BW players, and I don't have any favorites in SC2 yet to root for.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
August 29 2010 02:09 GMT
#34
Include few glitches in BW, high ground, remove ball to ball then we have a great game to watch.

IEM was pretty good. MLG should never happen again.
ppp
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 29 2010 02:16 GMT
#35
I usually can't tell wtf is going on when battles occur.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
August 29 2010 02:17 GMT
#36
On August 29 2010 07:32 Grobyc wrote:
I prefer watching BW easily, but I don't completely hate watching SC2 or anything. I also really love playing SC2, so it's not some kind of biased thing. This could change, because I think one reason some people enjoy watching BW more is because you are often able to determine the outcome before it happens. Maybe, it's just me, but in BW if I see 12 marines and 5 medics against 12 hydras I know the Terran should win; in SC2, if it's 12 marines and 5 medivacs against 12 hydras I don't for sure(pretty sure hydras would win though). In BW, I know the timings of stuff; I know when players should be able to do damage, so if I see one player moving out I go "OMG WTF CAN TERRAN DEFEND THIS???", but in SC2 I don't know those as well either. Half the time I think one player has nice timing he ends up getting crushed easily and it's just not as epic as I think it should have been.


I think a lot of the disliek for sc2 as a spectator sport from old dudes is just this. With so many years playing sc, youre used to recognizing shit right away and analyzing.
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
August 29 2010 02:37 GMT
#37
I think the graphics cause more problems than they solve. In BW I can always tell exactly what is happening because the graphics are slick and simple. SC2 has lots of effects and densely packed little dudes. Especially in big battles shit just dies while hidden behind all of the lasers and explosions.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 03:19:03
August 29 2010 03:17 GMT
#38
I've found it severely lacking compared to brood war in terms of clarity and visibility when running on low resolution streams, but it clears up quite nicely on medium to high Q streams.

In particular, zerglings can be really unclear, because their blood is too dark to be distinct when zerg is certain colors or playing on a certain tileset. In BW, their blood pool graphic was actually bigger than their actual unit graphic =o
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 29 2010 08:45 GMT
#39
I agree with everything looking too clustered and unidentifiable too. A 200/200 marine marauder army only seems to take up 1/3 the screen, so the battles as a whole just seem a lot smaller imo. That and macro + micro is made easier so it's less impressive to see someone pull some clutch move off.
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Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 10:49:57
August 29 2010 10:45 GMT
#40
i really enjoy watching the game but i tend to like it more when there's zergs and protoss in the games. frankly i've been watching games for the past couple months and since release its been pretty much nothing but terran all the time. honestly it gets boring just watching the one race so much. not seeing enough zerg and protoss. TvT is the worst one to watch and its easily the most common.

thats just my view on it and overall im very happy.
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On August 29 2010 08:13 Takkara wrote:
It would be impossible for SC2 to already surpass BW watchability. Does anyone really expect it to be better at this point? SC2 metagame and talent is in its infancy. BW is a finely aged wine. Of course BW is better to watch, however, for it's youth, SC2 is amazing fun to watch.

Gretorp v Silver, Socke v drewbie, TLO v NaDa and numerous other games are already just fascinating to watch. In a couple years, with some new units to match a mature metagame and progamer-level talent? Have no fear, SC2 is here to stay. As long as the community's passion doesn't falter for Cataclysm or Diablo 3 or some other RTS that may come along.


i'm going to have to disagree. it may be more fun to watch for some hardcore gamers, but the graphics just arent good enough and its too complicated for average people to want to watch. yes i know graphics dont make a good game, but it does dictate whether its watchable as a spectator sport.
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