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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:10:21
August 27 2010 01:07 GMT
#1
I was 17-7 450 points platinium when i started to play some ladder tonight. First guy i face was #1 on his div, 1000 pts diamond and terran. I got completly destroyed and even if the guy was better than me PvT is so broken that it was sad .

Then i face some more players between 600 and 850, got bashed pretty hard and went 1-8 ( had to play 5 terrans )
I was kinda pissed but i was like " ok no big deal 'i'm favoured, the system try to find opponents to my level, i should get easier players soon".

So after this harsh run i was 18-15 329 pts diamond. I start another game, i see Favoured on the loading screen and i'm like "cool, a fair match". I lose to a ridiculous 8 pool ling into fast roach into mass hydra.

So after getting stomped i look at his stats and i see:
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( don't understand how the guy got so many units whereas his first attack with lings was a failure but w/e he was probably just BETTER with his 773 pts )

But the real question is why i'm facing him and why i'm "Favoured" ? LOL
-15pts.

I'm convinced that PvT is utterly broken, Blizzard ladder is a complete mess and i have no confidence in any mu except pvp because a mirror can't be imbalanced. The ladder is so fucking stupid it makes me cringe.

Moreover I would like to rant about the ridiculous dmg of the banshees even if no one cares. If only we had a real attack move for air units Blizzard could nerf the dmg of the banshee to force the Terran player to micro. But no Blizzard is stupid and those fucking banshees will 2 shot my probes and kill my stalkers in 1v1.
Do you remember broodwar ? The two air units who could 2 shots a probe were guards and BCS. Fucking slow ass T3 units without cloak.
Oh and fucking T2 air units couldn't beat T1/1.5 protoss ground. One goon > one muta. One Goon > wraith.
Now you have to face some ridiculous one base terrans with their banshees / rines + one raven.
I honestly cannot understand how you can beat this kind of mix sigh.




TL:DR Terran is the new protoss^10 and the the ladder system is so fucking retarded it makes me cringe.

Probably 1/5 but eh i think that protoss players will understand.



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fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Gentlebite
Profile Joined May 2010
United States132 Posts
August 27 2010 01:09 GMT
#2
Protoss needs dem Arbiters
Zerg needs dem Lurkers or some othe rAoE besides Fungal Growth
Terran is ...
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:12:57
August 27 2010 01:10 GMT
#3
CryMeAReaver.

lol so fitting. =(

edit: My only issue with the ladder is no global ranking. Matchmaking seems fine to me.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:15:27
August 27 2010 01:13 GMT
#4
I have no sympathy for Protoss cause of those goddamn void ray rushes, and the goddamn DT drops in Brood War. SEE WHAT IT FEELS LIKE? >:D
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 27 2010 01:15 GMT
#5
The ladder system doesn't go by points. Or I don't think it does.

That is how they got their top 200, it is by some secret formula. As well as how laddering goes.
I've been favored against people with more points than me plenty of times. It is really odd and gay.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
The_Pacifist
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States540 Posts
August 27 2010 01:15 GMT
#6
Cheer up! The reason the ladder is matching you up against players with more points is because Blizzard knows you're good and doesn't want you to play against boring, easy to beat opponents.

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Gotta love that bright side
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 27 2010 01:17 GMT
#7
On August 27 2010 10:15 SCC-Faust wrote:
The ladder system doesn't go by points. Or I don't think it does.

That is how they got their top 200, it is by some secret formula. As well as how laddering goes.
I've been favored against people with more points than me plenty of times. It is really odd and gay.


I feel that they need to do away with the whole 'favored' system, or correct it. I don't even pay any attention to it anymore, simply because it's so wrong. I've played against players who are obviously complete garbage and yet are still favored against me.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:21:26
August 27 2010 01:17 GMT
#8
PvT isn't broken, it's quite close to balanced actually.

EDIT: Also, spending less time whining about things and more time trying to figure out how to beat it would probably serve your gaming experience in a way better way. Just sayin'.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 27 2010 01:17 GMT
#9
On the other hand I am having a great time and think this game is pretty fair and fun.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:25:22
August 27 2010 01:24 GMT
#10
On August 27 2010 10:17 gillon wrote:
PvT isn't broken, it's quite close to balanced actually.

EDIT: Also, spending less time whining about things and more time trying to figure out how to beat it would probably serve your gaming experience in a way better way. Just sayin'.

I think i have figured it, i will play terran until next patch.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
August 27 2010 01:30 GMT
#11
On August 27 2010 10:24 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 10:17 gillon wrote:
PvT isn't broken, it's quite close to balanced actually.

EDIT: Also, spending less time whining about things and more time trying to figure out how to beat it would probably serve your gaming experience in a way better way. Just sayin'.

I think i have figured it, i will play terran until next patch.


You do that, and then come back here and tell me if the grass indeed is greener on the other side.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:35:06
August 27 2010 01:32 GMT
#12
On August 27 2010 10:17 Chill wrote:
On the other hand I am having a great time and think this game is pretty fair and fun.


"Chill - Not A Zerg Player."

Heh jk.

But OP I'm not sure how you can have "no confidence" in ZvP. Just go Stalker-Colossi with a few Sentries to FF, can't lose

And that 8pool against protoss is becoming quite a standard build with the harassment the first 6 lings can provide. It's not an all-in, and its not designed to win the game for you right there.

Although I will agree with you the Blizzard ladder system is pretty BS at the moment. But I'm also having an awesome time and SC2 makes me tingle in strange places. AND I play Zerg

Just keep on keeping on, its easy to become frustrated or disheartened, you'll go on a win streak soon and feel better about it

Also I do agree PvT is pretty broken. I'm a Plat Zerg player, I played Terran for the lol and crushed some Diamond Protoss players. With my off-race.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:37:02
August 27 2010 01:35 GMT
#13
I'm more confident in PvZ than in PvT even if i have some troubles vs those "new" builds.

fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 27 2010 01:43 GMT
#14
it's not extremely broken, just protoss has to play very very well and they HAVE to get to t3

it's basically just way easier for terran than for protoss but if you can play well enough it becomes less and less of an issue

but yeah.. i do think banshees are kind of too good, and marauders are kind of too good
terran can actually make any unit composition in tvp and it will be just fine as long as it's before protoss has t3
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 27 2010 01:45 GMT
#15
I do actually find the match making system to be pretty retarded. I just started laddering and I keep getting put up against like 600-800 rank diamond players when I have played 20 games and am like a 300~ platinum. I don't see how its matching us up.

As far as Pv? balance goes. I haven't played much PvZ but I hear its fair and that seems like a fair statement imo. Once I stop letting ling runby's kick my ass I should be good.

I find PvT to actually be my best match up. You just have to scout well and make sure you see what kind of push hes doing. Whether its tank/rine or hard marauder. I find macro and flanking in PvT to be pretty simple but I won't lie, a 3 rax Marauder push scares the shit out of me. It seems near impossible to actually hold off. I am left to assume a 1gate robo build is a requirement to take it out, however I feel you would still be far behind because the T can expo and maintain a powerful aggressive force with that.

Just to let you know, I generally use a zealot/immortal force while mixing in sentry/HT depending on the game point in order to counter the marines. After I get a good macro advantage I switch into VR and rape them. VR are the new carrier!

PvP I am forced to two builds that I believe to be the best in a general sense of the term. I don't find blink to be all that useful but you need a stalker centric opening~midgame or you get crushed by a lot of things. A hard immortal rush while raping a lot of shit gets stomped by a hard stalker/phoenix build. I am leaning towards 3gate robo or 2gate phoenix builds. One is more powerhouse expo macro (the immortal build) while phoenix build is more focused on harassing while macroing and taking a later expo.

I find blink to be inferior for harassing especially when you have the Phoenix alternative and it really adds no raw power to your army, so I tend to shrug blink off most of the time. Plus blink tech tends to not really go anywhere after that, except maybe templar but there are so many more advantages to robo tech where its not even worth it.

On that note, I was doing fine in the ladder until I got dropped 3 games in a row yesterday and added 3 free losses to my beautiful record.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 27 2010 01:47 GMT
#16
On August 27 2010 10:43 travis wrote:
it's not extremely broken, just protoss has to play very very well and they HAVE to get to t3

it's basically just way easier for terran than for protoss but if you can play well enough it becomes less and less of an issue

but yeah.. i do think banshees are kind of too good, and marauders are kind of too good
terran can actually make any unit composition in tvp and it will be just fine as long as it's before protoss has t3


whoa. Happy birthday dude!

On topic, I personally don't find the laddering too bad.
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
August 27 2010 02:02 GMT
#17
The ladder is still in the early stages, you have to wait before everyone get to where they should be. The whole favored thing is simply because of the hidden rank. Point and league are just here to please the more casuals players or the ones that play a lot. It's meaningless inbetwen (assuming they didn't play more than like 100+ games)
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 27 2010 02:04 GMT
#18
On August 27 2010 10:32 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 10:17 Chill wrote:
On the other hand I am having a great time and think this game is pretty fair and fun.


"Chill - Not A Zerg Player."

Well, I play random but Zerg is my best.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
August 27 2010 02:05 GMT
#19
On August 27 2010 10:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I do actually find the match making system to be pretty retarded. I just started laddering and I keep getting put up against like 600-800 rank diamond players when I have played 20 games and am like a 300~ platinum. I don't see how its matching us up.


It's because you had very few games played and a very high win ratio (likely brought about by a long win streak).
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 27 2010 02:08 GMT
#20
The favored thing isn't because of hidden rank necessarily. Sometimes it says my opponent is favored and my opponent says I was favored... been a problem since beta.
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