• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:57
CET 01:57
KST 09:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)5Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns6[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) WardiTV Winter Cup WardiTV Mondays SC2 AI Tournament 2026 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Data analysis on 70 million replays
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1892 users

[SC2] TvZ is the hardest matchup for terran - Page 2

Blogs > Meta
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
August 03 2010 01:22 GMT
#21
On August 03 2010 10:20 reza wrote:
when one baneling takes out a dozen lings, what good is micro

lol, that is micro!

zvz is actually pretty cool, the skill ceiling for ling and bling micro is actually quite high,
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
August 03 2010 01:47 GMT
#22
On August 03 2010 10:22 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 10:20 reza wrote:
when one baneling takes out a dozen lings, what good is micro

lol, that is micro!

zvz is actually pretty cool, the skill ceiling for ling and bling micro is actually quite high,


Until you look away for just a second and your speed upgraded lings on creep charge at a baneling..

God I hate that mathctup
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 03 2010 02:36 GMT
#23
On August 03 2010 10:16 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 10:09 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 10:06 superbabosheki wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:59 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:40 Flicky wrote:
I would strongly argue that TvT is the hardest matchup as Terran.


how does that make sense

It is the hardest matchup, there is so much stupid shit that T's can do to each other that it becomes an early game gayfest into a tank/viking transition. Almost every TvT ends b4 tank/viking is even viable since whoever boned each other the hardest wins. Thor drops, all in marauders running up your ramp even though you have a bunker and 3 tanks, the list goes on and on. Just think about all the gay things protoss can do to terran(void rays, dts, warp prisms, blink stalkers, etc.) and multiply it by 30.


maybe you should play ZvZ ...if you want to see an early game 'gayfest'

Micro is actually important in ling/baneling, TvT is a build order battle, where half the games involve some sort of all-in strategy from either player.

Sounds suspiciously like BW ZvZ lol.
Ludicrous
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1 Post
August 03 2010 02:38 GMT
#24
Not directly saying that TvZ is perfectly balanced as a matchup here, yet I still must break my lurkage on these forums to interfer;

What kind of arguments are people spewing here? "terran X wins against zerg Y" - Well yes, in most cases, terran wins toe-to-toe straight up against zerg, especially mech.

Why? Mech is the most immobile, costly and hard-to-produce piece of army, perhaps in all of SC2. With siege lines carefully deployed and with vikings scouting for them, a zerg opponent determined to bullrush his equal supply hydra army into a that kind of mech army... What do you guys expect?

SC2 is not about simple toe-to-toe attack move fights. Zerg is a versatile race with very flexible game mechanics, and fast units capable of sneaky attacks, seizing mapcontrol and a amazing ability to techswap and massproduce an army, fast. Going upfront with a terran mech is just plain dumb. You have to outmaneouver the terran. Exploit his lack of mobility, the fact that his units are so damn costly and slow to build, through MULTIPLE structures with different addons (an easily scouted, slow producing macro race)

So stop with the "THAT TERRAN UNIT WINS AGAINST THIS ZERG, WHY?", why is because the terran unit most likely is slower, requires equally careful positioning as a zerg surround and most of all, it's more expensive and time-costly. And once you kill it, you cannot spawnlarvae 7 of those units back with that huge clump of cash you got from your poor macro.

Sure I can agree that terrans early game allows for a too smooth transition into heavy mech, and marauders are way to good versus light, but for the love of god, zerg is so much more than just hydra+attack move.

"The optimist drowns in a half-full tub"
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
August 03 2010 03:05 GMT
#25
On August 03 2010 11:36 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 10:16 superbabosheki wrote:
On August 03 2010 10:09 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 10:06 superbabosheki wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:59 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:40 Flicky wrote:
I would strongly argue that TvT is the hardest matchup as Terran.


how does that make sense

It is the hardest matchup, there is so much stupid shit that T's can do to each other that it becomes an early game gayfest into a tank/viking transition. Almost every TvT ends b4 tank/viking is even viable since whoever boned each other the hardest wins. Thor drops, all in marauders running up your ramp even though you have a bunker and 3 tanks, the list goes on and on. Just think about all the gay things protoss can do to terran(void rays, dts, warp prisms, blink stalkers, etc.) and multiply it by 30.


maybe you should play ZvZ ...if you want to see an early game 'gayfest'

Micro is actually important in ling/baneling, TvT is a build order battle, where half the games involve some sort of all-in strategy from either player.

Sounds suspiciously like BW ZvZ lol.

ZvZ is actually a fun matchup cuz it involves high speed play imo. Gotta keep pressure while focusing on economy.

And yeah.... Terran steam rolls most Zergs ezpz
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 03 2010 04:08 GMT
#26
Isn't it a little narcissistic to say TvZ is the hardest matchup just because you yourself are having trouble with it? Especially when 99% of Zergs, including top zergs like Idra, are saying Terran is overpowered vZ
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
August 04 2010 19:14 GMT
#27
I am kind of an exception from the rule because I literally cannot win TvZ. I play in the top of diamond league and I win 80% of my TvP and TvT and then I just go on massive loosing streaks to zerg. I can't stand playing full mech. I don't like it, it is too slow and too immobile and nothing else seems to work. Banelings just seems way too strong and I have no idea what to do anymore so now I probably loose just because of psychology. Doesn't help that everyone only talks about how overpowered terran is in TvZ either so I can't seem to get any good guidance on what to do.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:15
The Best Games of SC
Solar vs Reynor
Clem vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
Solar vs herO
PiGStarcraft652
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft652
Nathanias 126
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17306
Shuttle 78
Sexy 48
NaDa 19
Hm[arnc] 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever202
capcasts59
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv531
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox380
Other Games
FrodaN3603
shahzam494
JimRising 361
B2W.Neo267
KnowMe130
minikerr23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick51800
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 135
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21457
• WagamamaTV520
League of Legends
• Doublelift5881
Other Games
• imaqtpie1574
Upcoming Events
SOOP
3h 3m
SHIN vs GuMiho
Cure vs Creator
The PondCast
9h 3m
Wardi Open
11h 3m
Big Gabe XPERIONCRAFT
12h 3m
AI Arena Tournament
19h 3m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 9h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 12h
IPSL
1d 19h
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W3
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Big Gabe Cup #3
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.