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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
August 03 2010 01:22 GMT
#21
On August 03 2010 10:20 reza wrote:
when one baneling takes out a dozen lings, what good is micro

lol, that is micro!

zvz is actually pretty cool, the skill ceiling for ling and bling micro is actually quite high,
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
August 03 2010 01:47 GMT
#22
On August 03 2010 10:22 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 10:20 reza wrote:
when one baneling takes out a dozen lings, what good is micro

lol, that is micro!

zvz is actually pretty cool, the skill ceiling for ling and bling micro is actually quite high,


Until you look away for just a second and your speed upgraded lings on creep charge at a baneling..

God I hate that mathctup
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 03 2010 02:36 GMT
#23
On August 03 2010 10:16 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 10:09 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 10:06 superbabosheki wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:59 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:40 Flicky wrote:
I would strongly argue that TvT is the hardest matchup as Terran.


how does that make sense

It is the hardest matchup, there is so much stupid shit that T's can do to each other that it becomes an early game gayfest into a tank/viking transition. Almost every TvT ends b4 tank/viking is even viable since whoever boned each other the hardest wins. Thor drops, all in marauders running up your ramp even though you have a bunker and 3 tanks, the list goes on and on. Just think about all the gay things protoss can do to terran(void rays, dts, warp prisms, blink stalkers, etc.) and multiply it by 30.


maybe you should play ZvZ ...if you want to see an early game 'gayfest'

Micro is actually important in ling/baneling, TvT is a build order battle, where half the games involve some sort of all-in strategy from either player.

Sounds suspiciously like BW ZvZ lol.
Ludicrous
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1 Post
August 03 2010 02:38 GMT
#24
Not directly saying that TvZ is perfectly balanced as a matchup here, yet I still must break my lurkage on these forums to interfer;

What kind of arguments are people spewing here? "terran X wins against zerg Y" - Well yes, in most cases, terran wins toe-to-toe straight up against zerg, especially mech.

Why? Mech is the most immobile, costly and hard-to-produce piece of army, perhaps in all of SC2. With siege lines carefully deployed and with vikings scouting for them, a zerg opponent determined to bullrush his equal supply hydra army into a that kind of mech army... What do you guys expect?

SC2 is not about simple toe-to-toe attack move fights. Zerg is a versatile race with very flexible game mechanics, and fast units capable of sneaky attacks, seizing mapcontrol and a amazing ability to techswap and massproduce an army, fast. Going upfront with a terran mech is just plain dumb. You have to outmaneouver the terran. Exploit his lack of mobility, the fact that his units are so damn costly and slow to build, through MULTIPLE structures with different addons (an easily scouted, slow producing macro race)

So stop with the "THAT TERRAN UNIT WINS AGAINST THIS ZERG, WHY?", why is because the terran unit most likely is slower, requires equally careful positioning as a zerg surround and most of all, it's more expensive and time-costly. And once you kill it, you cannot spawnlarvae 7 of those units back with that huge clump of cash you got from your poor macro.

Sure I can agree that terrans early game allows for a too smooth transition into heavy mech, and marauders are way to good versus light, but for the love of god, zerg is so much more than just hydra+attack move.

"The optimist drowns in a half-full tub"
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
August 03 2010 03:05 GMT
#25
On August 03 2010 11:36 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 10:16 superbabosheki wrote:
On August 03 2010 10:09 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 10:06 superbabosheki wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:59 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 09:40 Flicky wrote:
I would strongly argue that TvT is the hardest matchup as Terran.


how does that make sense

It is the hardest matchup, there is so much stupid shit that T's can do to each other that it becomes an early game gayfest into a tank/viking transition. Almost every TvT ends b4 tank/viking is even viable since whoever boned each other the hardest wins. Thor drops, all in marauders running up your ramp even though you have a bunker and 3 tanks, the list goes on and on. Just think about all the gay things protoss can do to terran(void rays, dts, warp prisms, blink stalkers, etc.) and multiply it by 30.


maybe you should play ZvZ ...if you want to see an early game 'gayfest'

Micro is actually important in ling/baneling, TvT is a build order battle, where half the games involve some sort of all-in strategy from either player.

Sounds suspiciously like BW ZvZ lol.

ZvZ is actually a fun matchup cuz it involves high speed play imo. Gotta keep pressure while focusing on economy.

And yeah.... Terran steam rolls most Zergs ezpz
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 03 2010 04:08 GMT
#26
Isn't it a little narcissistic to say TvZ is the hardest matchup just because you yourself are having trouble with it? Especially when 99% of Zergs, including top zergs like Idra, are saying Terran is overpowered vZ
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
August 04 2010 19:14 GMT
#27
I am kind of an exception from the rule because I literally cannot win TvZ. I play in the top of diamond league and I win 80% of my TvP and TvT and then I just go on massive loosing streaks to zerg. I can't stand playing full mech. I don't like it, it is too slow and too immobile and nothing else seems to work. Banelings just seems way too strong and I have no idea what to do anymore so now I probably loose just because of psychology. Doesn't help that everyone only talks about how overpowered terran is in TvZ either so I can't seem to get any good guidance on what to do.
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