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Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
July 19 2010 22:31 GMT
#21
Being an actuary sounds super lame anyway, I'd rather be an incredibly broke B-team progamer and play Starcraft 12 hours a day than be filthy rich and crunch probabilities for 8 hours a day.
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 22:36:42
July 19 2010 22:36 GMT
#22
On July 20 2010 07:31 Uranium wrote:
Being an actuary sounds super lame anyway, I'd rather be an incredibly broke B-team progamer and play Starcraft 12 hours a day than be filthy rich and crunch probabilities for 8 hours a day.


He could be a " smart investor" Like Jacob "LzGaMeR" Winstead instead?..
I don't think it requires much effort.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
July 19 2010 22:43 GMT
#23
Have you ever actually played Starcraft 12 hours a day for any length of time greater than 1 week? How do you know you'd actually enjoy it?
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
July 19 2010 23:22 GMT
#24
I suggest you look for a part-time job on the side at least, and see if you have what it takes to be around the top with part-time SC practice. If not, you probably won't make it too far with more time investment either.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
ffz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States490 Posts
July 19 2010 23:55 GMT
#25
i went through this too sorta after college. instead of progaming i wanted to support myself gambling on sports games. I never told my parents about it or placed real money on any of the games, but it was just an idea i had in my head. Eventually i decided to just apply for medical school though. It's prob just a phase.
Meow.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 19 2010 23:57 GMT
#26
On July 20 2010 07:30 Empyrean wrote:
He does have a university degree. :/


Always something to fall back on, and if he can't find a job soon then he might as well do something for fun and that he enjoys until he can get a job that suits his diploma.

Cool that your mom didn't shut down the idea right away, although, I don't see why it matters... You're done with college and can live on your own so her word has less effect than it used to when you were a child.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
July 19 2010 23:57 GMT
#27
Your mom is right with the whole financial security thing, but you should at least find some work to make your mom happy, and it'll help you in the long run if you need money, and on your free time practice starcraft! From what I read, it looks like she was all for supporting you in your "pro-gamer dream" but just wanted to let you know that there is another choice that's easier on you. Actually that's pretty cool if she's actually supporting you there, what a great mom! I hope for the best to whatever choices you make!

gg gl hf
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 20 2010 00:57 GMT
#28
I think it's very, very difficult to be a "pro gamer" and make money from doing only that. It also is a job which ends pretty early in life. I don't think its viable to make a career out of only that.

Rather use your skills to become a pro poker player - money's better and you can do it for life
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
July 20 2010 01:55 GMT
#29
Nobody can decide for you what to do with your life. You seem smart, you probably didn't overlook all the downsides to persuing a career as a professional gamer, and if it's worth it to you then go for it. Even so, there's no telling what the future has in store for sc2. I'm not as sure it will flourish as an international e-sport as some people here seem to be.
Kashmir
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand178 Posts
July 20 2010 02:28 GMT
#30
If your parents would be financially supporting you while you pursue your dream then it wouldn't be right. Otherwise, best of luck to you.
Nobody is perfect. I am nobody. Therefore, I am perfect.
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
July 20 2010 04:04 GMT
#31
Don't do it....
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
July 20 2010 04:08 GMT
#32
On July 20 2010 13:04 MetalMarine wrote:
Don't do it....



blehk. What a boring attitude.
Each day gets better : )
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
July 20 2010 05:46 GMT
#33
In the first post you made, it doesn't sound like you have a realistic view of what's really going on here. There's more to being pro than just playing a lot or practicing with other pros. Making the assumption that your potential is good enough to be pro might not be a good idea. There is a certain amount of natural talent involved, and either you have it or you don't.

You should have a back up plan, and accept the fact that you might not be good enough. And even if you are, you need to be dedicated to playing no matter how boring it becomes, and to be lucky enough to find a sponsor. In the real world, you can't just be whatever you want if you try hard enough. Sometimes, no amount of hard work can break the barrier of natural ability.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Vinnesta
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore285 Posts
July 20 2010 06:49 GMT
#34
That is a pretty nice and reasonable mum you have =)

A good degree, from a good university, and you are unemployed? Such a harsh situation in the US. Think thrice before making any permanent decision, but whatever it is, good luck with it!
Same difference is not an oxymoron!
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 08:38:29
July 20 2010 08:36 GMT
#35
this wasnt even close to a odd conversation, its just you openning ur thoughts and goals in life to your mom, I have had odd conversations cause im getting married and we had like 3-4 family tables. not only I have to support myself but also in 1-2 years from now my baby

also becoming a professional gamer isnt going to help you get a secure future in life.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
July 20 2010 14:56 GMT
#36
Why is it odd that your mother would steer your away from a dumb idea, even if you were just being facetious. What's odd is that you'd worry your dear concerned mother some more by saying that kind of stuff to her instead of saying you're gonna pick up a bs job in the mean time.
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 20 2010 16:39 GMT
#37
10 years of flute playing? Getting lessons? That sort of dedication shows you're ready for other challenges as well. Why not set up a small private music teaching network and do SC2 in your spare time? You don't need a master of music degree to get paid 50/hr, and you only have to work maybe 5hrs/day.

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No, I'm not speaking as if private music teaching is easy hypothetically, I've taught private piano and music theory for anywhere from 25/hr (group, music theory) to 50/hr (private, piano). No, I don't have a master of music... I do have an ARCT in piano though.
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
July 20 2010 17:45 GMT
#38
Just make sure you have a plan and thought it through. Other than that do whatever you like.

She seemed to take it decently well, could have been much worse. Pls udpate us when your dad hears about it and goes apesh.., err has a chat with you (jk.. jk)
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
otsukaresama
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan23 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 18:30:51
July 20 2010 18:28 GMT
#39
While I do like ProHellZerg's attitude on progaming, I find it to be a little unrealistic for one of the many reason. I am assuming that you're about 22-23 years old, but you haven't really played SC at a high level before. If that's the case, I think training your muscle for progaming will be a bit difficult. If you watch some documentary on progaming, they have developed their muscles and brain to react quick due to a lot of experience.

Sure, you can gain the experience, but will your muscles be able to keep up? I used to be decent at StarCraft, playing with some pretty big names back 8 or 9 years ago, but I feel that my muscles can't keep up with what I want to do anymore if I start playing again. I think it's due to not practicing for so long and the fact that age is catching up with me. I feel my fingers aren't able to move as fast as they used to and my reaction is comparably slower than it used to be.

Please don't say names like WhiteRa and Artosis because those guys play daily. For someone like me who hasn't played games seriously more than 7 years, I find it hard to get back into my former condition. If you play at a high level daily, then it's a different story, which is why I feel a lot of progamers in Korea are as good as they are. If you're just a casual player who plays a few hours a week, then the reality is that your mind and muscle won't be able to keep up with people who are practicing more than you.

EDIT: Yup, I was right, moderator on this forum are bias. I wouldn't expect less.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=137488

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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
July 20 2010 19:40 GMT
#40
On July 21 2010 01:39 OpticalShot wrote:
10 years of flute playing? Getting lessons? That sort of dedication shows you're ready for other challenges as well. Why not set up a small private music teaching network and do SC2 in your spare time? You don't need a master of music degree to get paid 50/hr, and you only have to work maybe 5hrs/day.

+ Show Spoiler +
No, I'm not speaking as if private music teaching is easy hypothetically, I've taught private piano and music theory for anywhere from 25/hr (group, music theory) to 50/hr (private, piano). No, I don't have a master of music... I do have an ARCT in piano though.

This is actually an excellent idea, it takes less time than trying to do something with your mathematics degree and will support you at least for a while. Getting a progaming career started is kind of like becoming an actor. Eventually you might make it big but most people don't, and you have to have some other job to sustain you while you improve your skills and get your name out there.
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