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Don't Ask, Don't Tell

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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
July 11 2010 07:37 GMT
#1
Started a blog on Iceland legalizing same sex marriage figured why not bring this up for discussion too.

Link To Article I Read That Made Me Think To Post This Blog

I haven't been a fan of Don't Ask, Don't Tell since I was old enough to understand what it meant. To me, the problem isn't that gay people might affect the military and the operations they are carrying out, but the people who have problems with gay people affecting the military and the operations they are carrying out.

Specifically to the article, this questionnaire was really...well..crappy. It was like kindergarteners afraid of getting cooties.

Serious topic and all that. Let's be respectful no matter what your opinion is please

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RoadTrippin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States48 Posts
July 11 2010 08:32 GMT
#2
Frankly, how would a straight Joe feel when showering with an openly gay male? Will the military spend billions of dollars to create separated shower places or risk losing the same amount of money due to lawsuit files from the same dilemma?

Not the most proper argument but gets the point across.

Male to male bonding is way more open in the military than those of college fraternities. Due to this, sexual harassment cases will sky-rocket cause of Joes trying to abuse the system of open sexual polices to get monetary compensation or whatever reasons for their benefit.
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
July 11 2010 08:56 GMT
#3
I think from the military's point of view the recognize there is discrimination and feel it's not their job to deal with it. Making people understand that we're not so different after all while good is not the type of thing the military cares about. Don't ask, don't tell is awkward and not ideal, but good enough for the armed forces where you can't allow for biases to get in the way of a job.
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Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
July 11 2010 10:43 GMT
#4

Pretty much sums up what i think about the issue.
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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
July 11 2010 11:25 GMT
#5
On July 11 2010 17:32 RoadTrippin wrote:
Frankly, how would a straight Joe feel when showering with an openly gay male? Will the military spend billions of dollars to create separated shower places or risk losing the same amount of money due to lawsuit files from the same dilemma?

Not the most proper argument but gets the point across.

Male to male bonding is way more open in the military than those of college fraternities. Due to this, sexual harassment cases will sky-rocket cause of Joes trying to abuse the system of open sexual polices to get monetary compensation or whatever reasons for their benefit.

Excuse me, but what you're talking about is bullshit. Complete and utter nonsense. The Israeli military allows openly gay soldiers. I've showered with gay people, and it's basically just the same as showering with any other dude. You're thinking that gay people have no self restraint and cannot differentiate companionship and sexual attraction - that attitude is just wrong. There have been no cases of sexual harassment between gay soldiers and straight soldiers or between two gay soldiers since this attitude has replaced a similar "don't ask don't tell" policy the Israeli military had over a decade ago, while straight commanders have been on occasionally sexually harassing female soldiers.

You obviously don't know much about the strength of the bonds between soldiers. We accept personality flaws and other quirks because we have to trust friends with our lives in dangerous situations, and from basic to specialized to advanced training the things guys go through together are much more potent than any preconception. Homophobia is stupid. Where a person prefers to stick his dick is irrelevant when doing military duties.

I think your opinion reeks of ideas that don't belong in the 21st century.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
July 11 2010 12:22 GMT
#6
Kazius you gotta understand the difference in cultures. RoadTrippin probably doesn't have experience with the Israeli military (personally I didn't even know they accepted gay males) and it's kinda unfair to ask people to think the same way you do when you've experienced that kind of atmosphere. I agree entirely with your points, but not everyone's gonna be so openminded when their culture is ingrained in them.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 11 2010 12:51 GMT
#7
On July 11 2010 19:43 Clamev wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhXCWP6TJ9A&feature=channel
Pretty much sums up what i think about the issue.


My stance on it too.
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
July 12 2010 20:14 GMT
#8
thank you, the onion:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-paves-way-for-gay-sex,17698/
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