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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
July 11 2010 01:50 GMT
#1
During this year, by far the most discussed rotation among us 3rd years was Surgery. This is true for a variety of reasons, many of which are probably apparent to non-medical people. First off, surgery is an interesting subject that most people won't ever observe in their lives. So there's a cool sense of "belonging" to the medical community that comes with being in the OR, however silly that sounds.

Surgery is a specialty where the highs and lows of emotion you feel are both primitive and magnified. What do I mean by this? It's a given that the interventions are usually direct and immediate, and that the patient is usually very grateful. The tactile nature of even the simple procedures are satisfying in an immediate way. The friction between your instruments and surgical gloves, gripping the loaded needle driver in one hand with pickups in the off-hand, puncturing the skin with the suture, tying the surgical knots - enjoyable and rewarding on a simple level in comparison to, say, putting in orders or writing notes. (By the way, surgeons do also put in orders and write notes. They just do them much faster, partly because they are really managing only a limited number of pre/postop things.) One of my friends got to cut out the gallbladder during a lap chole. Another had to do CPR on a hemorrhaging patient in the OR (much less happy story). It's stuff like this that makes me understand why people go into surgery, despite the horrible hours.

On the other hand, a difficult surgery is frustrating on that same level. Imagine trying to tie your shoes with chopsticks while looking through a microscope. Even the best surgeons have days where they are a bit off: The orientation of the surgical field is confusing; his grip on the tissue slips repeatedly; there is lots of bleeding; sutures break; steps have to be retraced; the patient has the body habitus of a hippo; etc etc. And everyone is the OR is watching and waiting for you.

When things are going well in the OR, everyone's happy. The attending is having a good day, moving through difficult technical stuff with facility. With the time he's saved, the attending lets the resident practice a little more, providing tips and encouragement. The resident lets the student practice some new suturing techniques during closing. The nurses are in a good mood because things are moving along and everyone's organized. Even the anesthesiologist cracks a joke or two. That's a pretty nice environment to work in, right?

I've had the fortune of working with mostly very good-natured attendings. But there is also no shortage of stories from any medical student about working with the stereotypical God-complex asshole attending who has the entire OR feeling uncomfortable and belittled. The hierarchy is extremely clear in the OR, for better or for worse.

I spent two weeks in the Burns ICU while on the rotation. First off, some free unsolicited advice: Don't chase people around bonfires at 5 am. Don't hold your kids while changing the gas in the generator. Don't become a fireman. Don't let your 3 year old try to grab a hot bowl of ramen from a tall counter. Don't use your foot to start a trash fire. And for godsakes, DO NOT SMOKE while you are wearing a nasal cannula hooked up to a flowing oxygen tank.

Yes, I saw all these things.

I felt enormously sorry for every single patient I saw in the ED that was going to be admitted. They had no clue what they were in for in the next few weeks. A superficial second degree burn is the most common and easily treated of people that get admitted. The good news is that they usually won't need a skin graft, which is reserved for 3rd degree and some deep 2nd degree burns. The bad news is that 2nd degree means your nerves are intact and firing away the pain signals like 200/200 stimmed marines.

Burn wounds need to be cleaned almost every day. For most patients, this means The Tub. The Tub is a large rectangular metallic container in which burn patients soak while the nurses/doctors take down the previous day's dressings and scrub scrub scrub. I have heard the Tub also referred to as the "metal grave." Basically, all the necrotic tissue (a very distinct smell, to say the least), has to be scraped away to prevent infection and visualize the healthy tissue underneath. Imagine getting a nasty sunburn on your belly, then accidentally scraping it with a carrot peeler, and then pouring lemon juice, salt, and habanero sauce all over it. From the screams of agony that accompanied every day I helped with the Tub, that description is an insulting mockery of what it actually feels like. I've seen muscle-bound men reduced to choking out pathetic whimpers, begging for pain medication every 30 seconds. It is in essence being skinned alive every day for however long it takes.

The hands, arms, armpits are all extremely sensitive areas which are, unfortunately among the most commonly burned areas.

I scrubbed in for several skin grafts as well. Much easier on the conscience to scrape when the patient's off in lala land. They keep it quite warm in the OR, as burn patients lose heat at a high rate. I used a potato-peeler type tool to debride the necrotic tissue, and I got a chance to handle the "skinner" machine on the donor sites.

Decent amount of psychiatric stuff going on also. Burns are traumatic. Flames are easy things to visualize when you close your eyes. I'm guessing anticipating having to go to the Tub everyday doesn't help either. Definitely not for the weak of heart.

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Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
July 11 2010 01:57 GMT
#2
fascinating read

do burn victims often contract infections after the initial treatments?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 11 2010 01:57 GMT
#3
Ah the burning portion reminded me of a forensic case I worked on a couple months ago that involved two young girls dying in a fire, never forget that smell or the dissection.... Very interesting post though, so your 3rd year in eh, Where do you go?
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The_Pacifist
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States540 Posts
July 11 2010 02:01 GMT
#4
Very interesting read, even if it did creep me out when you started talking about "the Tub." I now have a new fear of firey things.

I could never become a surgeon. I'd crack under that sort of pressure like an egg. So much on the line everyday and the hospital always smells like blood, disease, and antiseptics.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
July 11 2010 02:01 GMT
#5
Yea fascinating read.

You can really tell by the way you express yourself that you like medicine, and that you'll prolly be a great doctor.

5/5
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
July 11 2010 02:07 GMT
#6
On July 11 2010 10:57 Elegy wrote:
fascinating read

do burn victims often contract infections after the initial treatments?


I didn't see any, but then again most of the patients I saw didn't have burns >30% total body surface area. We use the antibacterial Silvadene on most wounds. I did see some infected staple sites after the grafts, but those are pretty minor.
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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
July 11 2010 02:07 GMT
#7
On July 11 2010 10:57 Slaughter wrote:
Ah the burning portion reminded me of a forensic case I worked on a couple months ago that involved two young girls dying in a fire, never forget that smell or the dissection.... Very interesting post though, so your 3rd year in eh, Where do you go?


Gonna apply for residency this year. We'll see how it goes.
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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
July 11 2010 02:08 GMT
#8
On July 11 2010 11:01 LaLuSh wrote:
Yea fascinating read.

You can really tell by the way you express yourself that you like medicine, and that you'll prolly be a great doctor.

5/5


Thanks, that's a very nice compliment.
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MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
July 11 2010 02:10 GMT
#9
I got a 3rd degree burn without going to the hospital. Guess i'm a G. Shit turned black and leathery and didn't hurt for the first couple of weeks. Ended up with like 3 months of pain though if I recall correctly. Huzzah for drunken branding
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condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
July 11 2010 02:13 GMT
#10
On the other hand, a difficult surgery is frustrating on that same level. Imagine trying to tie your shoes with chopsticks while looking through a microscope.


Fuuuuck, amazing! Who came up with this?

Mad respect to all of you doing this, I bow low.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 11 2010 02:15 GMT
#11
My cousin got 2nd degree burns because the handle of the coffee machine broke or something like that.... She got lucky because she dropped her pants pretty much immediately.

Apparently, it's much, much worse than anything she'd ever had before - and she's had a few broken bones. Sounds really horrible.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 02:19:28
July 11 2010 02:19 GMT
#12
Sounds like fun... in some respects.

What are you planning to specialize in?

Orthopedic surgery was definitely interesting to watch.. one of my favorite experiences while I was volunteering in hospital.
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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
July 11 2010 02:29 GMT
#13
Probably anesthesiology. Doing the rotation right now. More on that one in a later post probably.
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T3tra
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
July 12 2010 16:48 GMT
#14
Awesome read. First blog I've ever bothered to take a look at, and I'm very glad I did. Good luck with the residency, man. I know an anesthesiologist and he likes what he does a lot, I hope you feel the same when all is said and done.
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dyren
Profile Joined December 2009
United States260 Posts
July 12 2010 19:30 GMT
#15
Thanks for sharing this, and for the prize nugget of valuable advice.
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YoonHo
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1043 Posts
July 12 2010 19:54 GMT
#16
Great blog! I have a question though, few days back I saw an article on this woman who got severe burns on her face from that London terrorist attack 5 years ago. A hospital in England somehow treated her face to perfectly normal. Her skin and her face overall looks amazing, as if nothing ever happened. However, in the article they never mention how they treated her. Do you have any ideas what treatments they could've used?
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
July 12 2010 21:13 GMT
#17
Interesting read. Burns are brutal. I've known a few people who got it bad. I knew of a girl who basically got burns over 90% of her body due to someone throwing gas on a bonfire. Not cool

surgery seems fascinating to me. I always dreamed of being a surgeon, but I knew I never had enough patience/discipline to do it



On July 11 2010 10:57 Slaughter wrote:
Ah the burning portion reminded me of a forensic case I worked on a couple months ago that involved two young girls dying in a fire, never forget that smell or the dissection.... Very interesting post though, so your 3rd year in eh, Where do you go?


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YoonHo
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1043 Posts
July 13 2010 01:32 GMT
#18
Shit like that happens more often than I thought. I read a news on how some dude meant to scare someone but ended up lighting 2 people on fire and they both died.

Also, I've been seeing frequent stories about people throwing acid at their ex-lovers faces and they get terrible terrible burns.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 13 2010 03:12 GMT
#19
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't anasthesiology hella-boring?
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 13 2010 03:16 GMT
#20
On July 13 2010 12:12 Subversion wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't anasthesiology hella-boring?


depends what you find boring?
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