• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:11
CEST 08:11
KST 15:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)54Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Fantasy returning? Bot on ladder BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7022 users

StarCraft Patches

Blogs > supernova
Post a Reply
supernova
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada148 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 05:25:24
July 09 2010 05:24 GMT
#1
EDIT: The title of this post should really be "StarCraft Patches Pre-Perfection"


About 2 days ago, I bloged about StarCraft 2 being to "noob friendly" and how certain gamers thought that THAT was the reason why the game isn't so good. I made my arguement and you made yours and I have to say that everyone who posted a comment made strong, valid points like I hopefully did. Now on to another issue.

We all know that StarCraft 2 isn't perfect. There are a lot of issues pertaining to the balance of the game as well as the mechanics. Many gamers that play StarCraft 2 religiously will point out that units, such as the Brood Lord or the Reaper are way too over-powered and need to be fixed. Now, I actually haven't heard anyone say "It's staring Blizzard right in the face, how could they NOT fix it?", Fair arguement I suppose. Some gamers will point out that tatical advantages like scouting and multi-tasking is almost non-relavent because all you need to do is mass a huge army and basically pull an all-in. That too is a fair arguement. I know most of you are thinking "Yeah so what. Is there a point to this entry or no?"

I thought that some of these issues were so blatantly obvious that Blizzard would fix them immediately but still no patches fixing said issues. I think, and this is only my opinion, but I think that gamers expected a perfect game from the start of the beta or at least fix it when your about 5 patches in. Blizzard made the best, balanced RTS of our generation. They had a huge reputation which I believe has been damaged a little by ladder issues, gameplay problems and, of course, using RealID on the forums.

I thought that this would never end. No matter what Blizzard did or tried to do would be met with ridicule until I saw this video.



I thank my lucky stars that I found this video and I think I owe a big "thank you" to YouTube user Luckyfool. He confirmed some of my suspiscions that the original StarCraft was not completely balanced and/or it had some major bugs. If you didn't watch the video, it basically summarizes what StarCraft was like before some of the major patches by Blizzard. It took ten (10) years for Blizzard to completely balance this game out. Like I said above, it confirmed some suspiscions.

Now will this impact me buying StarCraft 2 that's being released on July 27th. Maybe, maybe not. People still bought StarCraft when it came out pre-balance so the strong bet is that I will be at my local electronics botique (or whatever they're called. SPEELING FAIL!) purchasing this game. It may not be perfect, but it has StarCraft in the title so why not? After all, people still buy Mario games right?


Oh my God, I am SO dead for posting that...

Poll: Will you buy SC2 even though it isn't perfectly balanced

Yes. I've waited too long for the sequel to the greatest RTS (13)
 
59%

Not a chance- There is no way I'm buying SC2. The original is the superior and I'd rather play tha (7)
 
32%

Most Likely- It may not be perfect, but it's StarCraft (1)
 
5%

Not Likely- Blizzard has major, MAJOR balancing work ahead of them if they want my money (1)
 
5%

Depends- Based on reviews and price or even gameplay (0)
 
0%

22 total votes

Your vote: Will you buy SC2 even though it isn't perfectly balanced

(Vote): Yes. I've waited too long for the sequel to the greatest RTS
(Vote): Most Likely- It may not be perfect, but it's StarCraft
(Vote): Depends- Based on reviews and price or even gameplay
(Vote): Not Likely- Blizzard has major, MAJOR balancing work ahead of them if they want my money
(Vote): Not a chance- There is no way I'm buying SC2. The original is the superior and I'd rather play tha



*****
"And we played the first thing that came to our heads and it just so happened to be, it was the best song in the world, the best song in the world!" Tenacious D
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
July 09 2010 05:28 GMT
#2
No one's gonna buy it because it's not balanced but there are people who won't buy because of all the Bnet2/Activision drama.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 05:31:18
July 09 2010 05:30 GMT
#3
I'm buying SC2 anyways, but BW didn't take 10 years to get "perfectly balanced" as you say. The last real balance patch was 1.08 which happened in 2001. The other patches were mainly just little bugs/exploits, and battle.net issues.

I'm mainly getting this game cause it has "starcraft" in the title TBH xD.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#4
On July 09 2010 14:30 Megalisk wrote:
but BW didn't take 10 years to get "perfectly balanced" as you say. The last real balance patch was 1.08 which happened in 2001. The other patches were mainly just little bugs/exploits, and battle.net issues.
Yup =/ and the balance changes weren't that significant when compared with other games.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
July 09 2010 05:45 GMT
#5
I willnot buy the game, but not because of any of those reasons. It's because of Bnet 2.0...
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 09 2010 05:54 GMT
#6
A large part of Brood War balance is map balance (ramps, naturals, position of third, high ground cliffs, rush distance etc.)
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 09 2010 06:03 GMT
#7
Since when is SC2 not balanced anyways?

They've got the numbers pretty close to 50/50..

I think the balance is pretty good as it is right now. I mean in all the tournaments we've had during beta we haven't seen one race owning.
wozjflwnl
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada344 Posts
July 09 2010 06:06 GMT
#8
I will buy the game. But will play BW more seriously.
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
July 09 2010 06:51 GMT
#9
Buying SC2, but the only reason why I am buying it is because it's Starcraft. If it was any other game I wouldn't.
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 09 2010 06:55 GMT
#10
lol, "Youtube user Luckyfool"

I don't really expect SC2 to be perfectly balanced upon release. It will be a work in progress for a while. But I do fully expect for it to reach acceptable balance levels MUCH faster than BW did. The scene is just so much bigger and more talented with RTS than it was back then, plus we get replays right off the bat.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
July 09 2010 07:58 GMT
#11
lol sent I'm best known for my youtube work, that's how shitty I am at bw am I right? ^_^
samuwen
Profile Joined June 2010
United States12 Posts
July 09 2010 08:17 GMT
#12
On July 09 2010 16:58 LuckyFool wrote:
lol sent I'm best known for my youtube work, that's how shitty I am at bw am I right? ^_^


Go back to youtube imo :D
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
July 09 2010 08:20 GMT
#13
but getting raped in wcg usa is so fun...
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 08:27:40
July 09 2010 08:24 GMT
#14
On July 09 2010 15:03 Subversion wrote:
Since when is SC2 not balanced anyways?

They've got the numbers pretty close to 50/50..

I think the balance is pretty good as it is right now. I mean in all the tournaments we've had during beta we haven't seen one race owning.


Win ratios are not enough to say the game is balanced.

Idra said once that some races in a matchup are overpowered at early/early midgame and underpowered in middle late game, so in the end the win ratio is close to 50% but it doesn't make the game balanced. I'll try to find his post.

Edit : Found it. From Fragster interview.

How would you rate the first patches Blizzard published? Did they make improvements?

IdrA: I've really disliked a lot of the balance changes Blizzard is making, actually. It feels to me like they've been balancing matchups by making one race overpowered early game, and the other overpowered late game. This made lead to a balanced win rate but it creates terrible game quality, and in the long term it'll be imbalanced as people get a better feel for early game defensive timings.
ॐ
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
July 09 2010 12:07 GMT
#15
On July 09 2010 14:45 Mortician wrote:
I willnot buy the game, but not because of any of those reasons. It's because of Bnet 2.0...


Yep.
Shitposting
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #21
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 128
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1866
Yoon 303
ggaemo 280
910 240
Dewaltoss 86
Shuttle 71
Hm[arnc] 49
Mong 41
Bale 28
soO 25
[ Show more ]
Noble 22
ZergMaN 16
yabsab 14
Icarus 8
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm192
League of Legends
JimRising 604
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1155
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor754
Other Games
summit1g8150
C9.Mang0335
PiGStarcraft280
Mew2King128
Happy107
ViBE48
ArmadaUGS47
trigger18
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream111
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 40
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2330
League of Legends
• Rush1167
• Lourlo1133
• Stunt419
Upcoming Events
Stellar Fest
6h 49m
OSC
15h 49m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 3h
Online Event
1d 4h
FEL
1d 9h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 10h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 12h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
4 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
INu's Battles
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.