I went to disneyland - Page 40

On July 05 2010 02:11 Malgrif wrote:if he was given a chance at a public apology, i'd atleast consider it seriously. again it was an honest mistake

On July 05 2010 02:19 Djzapz wrote:

I would have no problem questioning the intelligence of someone who calls this an "honest mistake".

If anything, it's the most dishonest "mistake" I've ever seen.

On July 05 2010 02:16 zenMaster wrote:
Give it up Malgrif, he is permabanned and there is nothing you can do about it, he had a chance to come clean but he chose to continue the lie. Freedom of speech on TL is a privilege not a right.

On July 05 2010 02:18 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
Are you ignoring the fact that he was warned and decided to continue the charade instead of saying "I didn't think it'd go this far and don't want to get banned so this is bullshit, I was just doing it for kicks and to entertain the forum"? The fact is at no time he showed remorse, he was aware of the accusations and never attempted to reconcile and thus was banned. There is a ton of ways he could still get in touch with the admins and plead his case or address the forum in an apology but after he was busted instead he chose to remain silent. It shouldn't have to be stated in the rules that leading on a bunch of people with a continued bullshit story just to tool them will get you banned, that is common sense. If someone can't understand that concept maybe they shouldn't be posting in a fairly tight community.

On July 05 2010 02:43 Malgrif wrote:
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.


no he didn't, and i already know this, i doubt what i'm saying has any weight what so ever when it comes to chill.


nope, you're ignoring the fact that there was no warning to come clean. which means i think you agree with me.

Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.

There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.

If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.

On July 05 2010 02:47 OpRaider wrote:

Malgrif, he was warned even before he made this blog. He was warned on after his second blog about this girl. He then posted this blog and wrote "please dont ban me for this". It's obvious he understood the consequences.

he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.

On July 05 2010 02:51 Djzapz wrote:

You truly are ridiculous.

If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.

Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.

On July 05 2010 02:55 Malgrif wrote:
and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.

Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story

On July 05 2010 02:48 L_Master wrote:


No, he had a chance. He wasn't banned for well over a day or something after the fact that it was probablyt a bullshit story came to light. As everyone pretty much agreed this guy posted 100+ times a week, and was almost certainly following the reception to his story. He had a chance to reply. He didn't



It seemed implicit, at least to me, that he would not be banned, or at least permabanned and dealt with as severly if he came clean right then, rather than trying to continue get people emotionally involved in his story with ever more elaborate lies. As a side note, thats what makes this more than an honest mistake. He knew people were getting involved, plenty emotionally, and yet continued to weave a story that was only going to hurt people in the end. It's not that unlike leading on someone in a relationship, you get them emotionally attached to you even though you have no actual interest in them; to me thats what you would call being a douchebag, not an honest mistake.
Morover, this guy apparently had a history of warnings and bans. It was likely that one more slip up from him, even a minor one, was going to be his last anyway, and this was certainly more than a minor slip up. So even if you really feel a permaban for this was too harsh, consider that he isn't being permabanned for just this but in conunctiuon with the fact that he had a terrible posting history riddled with past bans and warnings.





First of all let me reiterate what I said above. His ban severity was probably influenced by his previous history of being a poor poster. Also, keep in mind that TL is the mod's house. If this guy comes in and shits on the carpet, the mods have every right to kick him out. You seem to be arguing that he didn't shit on the carpet but rather tracked a small pebble inside or something. Be that as it may, its ultimately the mods house, and perception is reality; they are absolutely within their right to kick this guy out.

On July 05 2010 02:57 Elegy wrote:


Are you joking?



good day sir?

On July 05 2010 03:00 Malgrif wrote:
please re-read my arguments.
SIR

On July 05 2010 03:01 Djzapz wrote:

I don't usually do this but I must say you've been spelling "banned" wrong all along. Just thought I would let you know.

On July 05 2010 03:03 Malgrif wrote:
yes yes and i've been typing with a thousand grammar errors too. did it really distract you that much from my point? >_>

On July 05 2010 03:00 Malgrif wrote:
The thing is, we really don't know exactly how it would of played out if he came clean, but judging by the PM, it would of meant that he would have gotten baned anyways. I understand why the mods baned him, and I'm not saying it's not in their right to kick him out, i'm giving my opinion on why i think it was an unfair judgement.

On July 05 2010 03:08 Megalisk wrote:
Xero must love all the attention this ban is getting.. do you happen to be one of Xero's RL friends or something Malgrif?