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On July 04 2010 15:22 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 15:12 OneOther wrote:On July 04 2010 13:50 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 13:33 mainerd wrote:On July 04 2010 13:01 Malgrif wrote:On July 04 2010 12:54 mainerd wrote:On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote:
trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars?? knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie. you and i have different standards i suppose. i've never been able to get along with someone after finding out they were dishonest to me to the degree op was(and elaborating for days on it, thats O.o). you can argue everyone is dishonest in their own way, but not everyone creates intricate fabrications at the expense of others. that is not a common trait among all humans. i disagree, people make up wild stories that don't happen all the time. if the story isn't completely made up it might be greatly exaggerated, which is a common trait among humans. uhm, not many people people fabricate stories over a series of five blogs and even post fake pictures to go along with them. people lie about little things all the time, but the scale matters here. it is not a common human trait to do what this xero guy pulled off, making up elaborate stories to deceive an entire community for many days. people like him should be banned. also, good god, man. when i was discussing this i wasn't talking about xero at allllllllll, ugh this is pointless, people are misinterpreting and mixing up my arguments >_>.
well it doesn't really matter who you were talking about. you said that people lie all the time but what xero did is different. that's all im saying. but yeah when you posting so many times in this thread not willing to give in, it's easy to mix up your arguments. i guess you were describing the general human nature. i just used it in a comparison with xero.
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thedeadhaji
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lol wtf is going on in this threadddd
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konadora
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malgrif is it really that hard to understand? just wow =/
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
also, awesome title change.
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On July 04 2010 16:42 konadora wrote:
malgrif is it really that hard to understand? just wow =/ i disagree with the actions taken, what's so hard to understand about that?
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On July 04 2010 16:50 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 16:42 konadora wrote:
malgrif is it really that hard to understand? just wow =/ i disagree with the actions taken, what's so hard to understand about that?
That you disagree with the actions taken is not difficult to understand, your reasoning on the other hand is quite a bit. Maybe it is normal for you to deal with people, who make up stories all the time and blatantly lie continuously with great passion, but to most people here, this is not the case, thus making them wonder why this is no big deal to you.
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It's all fun and games until someone gets permabanned :/
I still approve of XeRO.
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I don't know about you guys but sometime long ago I stopped believing everything I read on the internet unless there's overwhelming evidence to support it. That goes for every blog on TL pretty much. I don't try to reject their story it's just a natural reaction now. Even things that you can't really tastefully call out, I still don't believe. Like if you write a story about your friend dying, it's poor taste to request evidence in the form of an obituary or pictures of his or her still-warm corpse, but I just don't believe you because it's on the internet. I just choose not to participate in any of those threads and lump them all together as drive-by tales of fictional triumph and tragedy
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On July 04 2010 21:53 floor exercise wrote:
I don't know about you guys but sometime long ago I stopped believing everything I read on the internet unless there's overwhelming evidence to support it. That goes for every blog on TL pretty much. I don't try to reject their story it's just a natural reaction now. Even things that you can't really tastefully call out, I still don't believe. Like if you write a story about your friend dying, it's poor taste to request evidence in the form of an obituary or pictures of his or her still-warm corpse, but I just don't believe you because it's on the internet. I just choose not to participate in any of those threads and lump them all together as drive-by tales of fictional triumph and tragedy
And yet by posting that you are participating....
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After he has been exposed, yes. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. It's not like this thread was in any way subtle in its directional shift???
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On July 04 2010 22:06 floor exercise wrote:
After he has been exposed, yes. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. It's not like this thread was in any way subtle in its directional shift???
Oh right, maybe I missed something in the last few pages. I thought he got called out for spamming, but not necessarily for lying about it.
I was just making the point that people always say that they aren't going to comment on a thread because people always lie on the net, but by posting that they've already passed a very public judgement on it and usually feel some sort of immunity because of the preamble to their judgement.
Not that I disagree with your general stance, however, as I feel the same way.
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What i meant to say is, I'm kind of past trying to expose/call people out/demand for proof. I basically just take the blog section as a creative writing section. But I love when the mods do it, because sometimes it just has to be done
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I don't know if people realize this but this is an unexaggerated summary of what Malgrif just posted:
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules
Radical: It IS in our rules
Malgrif: No it isn't
Radical: It's rule #1
Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue
Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue
Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh
Holy_war: He was warned
Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake
Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag
Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag
Mainerd: He was a liar
Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go
mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree
Malgrif: People make up stories all the time
OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER
Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
You have no argument
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On July 04 2010 22:18 floor exercise wrote:
What i meant to say is, I'm kind of past trying to expose/call people out/demand for proof. I basically just take the blog section as a creative writing section. But I love when the mods do it, because sometimes it just has to be done
OK, yea. That makes sense to me and I agree with you. 
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konadora
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On July 04 2010 22:26 PokePill wrote:
I don't know if people realize this but this is an unexaggerated summary of what Malgrif just posted:
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules
Radical: It IS in our rules
Malgrif: No it isn't
Radical: It's rule #1
Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue
Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue
Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh
Holy_war: He was warned
Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake
Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag
Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag
Mainerd: He was a liar
Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go
mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree
Malgrif: People make up stories all the time
OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER
Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
You have no argument
LOL. Wow. Perfect summary.
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Rofl I don't get why Malgrif thinks permabanning was the wrong choice of action. If he were ever allowed to come back the entire community would shun and ridicule him for lying to their face and betraying their trust. He's better off gone, for us and himself.
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He's better off gone, but he will be remembered forever. I for one still think it's fucking hilarious. A series of blogs that richly deserves its place in the hall of fame. It kind of reminds me of the Underwater Basket Weaving thread XD
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On July 04 2010 22:26 PokePill wrote:
I don't know if people realize this but this is an unexaggerated summary of what Malgrif just posted:
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules
Radical: It IS in our rules
Malgrif: No it isn't
Radical: It's rule #1
Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue
Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue
Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh
Holy_war: He was warned
Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake
Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag
Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag
Mainerd: He was a liar
Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go
mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree
Malgrif: People make up stories all the time
OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER
Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
You have no argument to think someone can cherry pick like this amazes me. i'll reiterate my argument one more time.
Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.
There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.
Anyways I hope this cleared somethings up about what I said, and i'm sure many of you will still disagree.
On July 05 2010 01:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Rofl I don't get why Malgrif thinks permabanning was the wrong choice of action. If he were ever allowed to come back the entire community would shun and ridicule him for lying to their face and betraying their trust. He's better off gone, for us and himself.
if he was given a chance at a public apology, i'd atleast consider it seriously. again it was an honest mistake
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Give it up Malgrif, he is permabanned and there is nothing you can do about it, he had a chance to come clean but he chose to continue the lie. Freedom of speech on TL is a privilege not a right.
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