Dear mods. please dont ban me for making another blog.. but i feel last night deserves one..
so i met up with minji at the koreatown galleria at around 3:45 - 4:00. We went inside ordered 2 bubble tea's and started eye shopping inside the galleria. The galleria itself is 4 stories, the bottommost floor a market, the top 3 floors for.. consumer goods (clothes, electronics, etc)
So we wandered around talking, trying on clothes, fooling around. Somewhere around then.. i picked up the courage to... hold her hand? aha! i was soo nervous but.. i think she liked it :D
We went to a korean bbq for dinner. We ordered a platter of marinated beef and 2 bottles of soju. While she was cooking the beef we had a nice chat about.. us i guess.
She was lee minji, came from korea last year to persue a future in.. beauty? aha she wanted to do hair and nails. She was single (thank god) and like cars, clothes and starcraft I told her a bit about me, and she seemed a bit sad that i lived on the east coast (i was in cali for vacation) but she didnt linger on it.
While eating dinner she got a text from one of her friends and looked at me. She asked me if i wanted to go clubbing. I agreed. So we went back to her apartment and she told me she was going to get changed. I asked to use her laptop real quick and i updated on my prev. blog.
She got changed in 10 min. and we headed out. It wasnt that far, only about 3-4 blocks but she had heels on so we waited for a taxi. I was .. shocked ahaha the club entrance was shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaady as hell. like. back alleyway with a single flourescent light hanging above it.
She knocked and some middle aged korean man opened the door, looked at both of us. Minji paid the entrance fee and he ushered us in. Inside.. was amazing. Pale blue walls, with strobe lights in the front. The whole place was huge, and filled with korean people. Minji took off her coat and got a seat, she ordered two drinks and went to the bathroom. I sat down, waited for the drinks and when they came i tipped the ... bartender dude? I sipped the drink and.. it was okay :D I sat there awkwardly while minji was at the bathroom watching the people dance... and wow. i was in a room with 100 Lee Hyori's.
Minji came back, she inhaled her drink and lead me to the dance floor. We started.. dancing or grinding i guess. And it wasnt long before we were both pretty sweaty and tired. By around. 2? she was pretty drunk... and i told her i think she should go home. She just nodded and started pulling me towards our table. She pushed me onto the table and started.. uhmm... chair grinding? i dont know the word but.. it was O_____O <-- that face
after that i remember hailing a taxi, going to her house, and uhm. passing out on her bed.
Woke up this morning with her still passed out next to me. I decided to just go home and uhm... here i am. -----------------------------------------
"Minji came back, she inhaled her drink and lead me to the dance floor. We started.. dancing or grinding i guess. And it wasnt long before we were both pretty sweaty and tired. By around. 2? she was pretty drunk... and i told her i think she should go home. She just nodded and started pulling me towards our table. She pushed me onto the table and started.. uhmm... chair grinding? i dont know the word but.. it was O_____O <-- that face
after that i remember hailing a taxi, going to her house, and uhm. passing out on her bed.
Woke up this morning with her still passed out next to me. I decided to just go home and uhm... here i am. " WE HAVE A WINRARRRR 5/5
On July 03 2010 02:37 Comeh wrote: So wait, you LIKE this girl, as in you weren't doing it JUST to fuck her, right? Then why leave her in her bed in the morning? o.O
i mean.. she has work in 2 hours.. she's passed out im not gonna chill there making it awkward for her
On July 03 2010 02:37 Comeh wrote: So wait, you LIKE this girl, as in you weren't doing it JUST to fuck her, right? Then why leave her in her bed in the morning? o.O
i mean.. she has work in 2 hours.. she's passed out im not gonna chill there making it awkward for her
Did you say goodbye n stuff?
EDIT: If you have her number its not that bad now that I think of it, just make sure to tell her what you just said about letting her sleep.
On July 03 2010 02:31 NuKedUFirst wrote: !!! You went from getting owned at a PcBang to sleeping in her house! I'd say that's progress!!! Awesome!!
But you left her in the morning?
but.. in the span of like 3 days..
O____O that CANT be normal
You never know. I met my first girlfriend at a dance in Feb. a few years ago. At this dance I told her about another dance in a month. We didn't see each other until then. I invited her to play some games the following day and we fell asleep next to each other on a couch.
Grand Total - 3 days
Then there's my current girlfriend. I met her at a party. The next day she was in a group I had breakfast with. A few days later we hung out in my room until 6am (don't worry, just talking ). Four days later she told me she was crushing on me and it all took off from there.
Grand Total - 4 days
When you just 'click' with someone like that there is no arbitrary time value to when you should and shouldn't do things. Go with what feels right.
Oh, and me and the current girlfriend are still together. 5 months strong and things are awesome!
!!!! i hope she didn't mind you leaving in the morning without saying bye 0.o should have left her a note or something! gahhh i love your blogs even my gf is following them haha
This is really funny to read these, but at the same time its kinda fucked up how much people are willing to reveal of their lives to strangers like this
I don't know why, but I'm extremely happy for you. Probably because it's such a cute situation and how everything ended up turned out very cute as well.
On July 03 2010 02:54 JohannesH wrote: This is really funny to read these, but at the same time its kinda fucked up how much people are willing to reveal of their lives to strangers like this
This is the internet, and you have at least more than halfway to go.
Woo! way to go man, I'm very happy for you!! When you posted about your age difference I honestly thought you had no chance. But here you are!!! Awesome awesome stuff.
You made the right move. Both drunk and tired by the end of the night don't need some awkward exchange in the morning before she leaves for work. Just stop by and see her later and chat about the fun you had last night. Story will undoubtedly progress from there
On July 03 2010 03:12 LuckyFool wrote: Whoa nice reaver mark. ^^
I feel like I should go back and read the previous blogs to understand this story fully (haven't read any of the previous ones) IS IT WORTH IT?!
Xero is on vacation in LA, goes to a pcbang in koreatown, sees minji there (300 apm zerg WHOA). Get's all fascinated and watches her play, she's like "wtf?" then they play a game and he gets owned. he goes back the next day, she's there and coaches him while he plays. The next day, he goes back and finds she isn't there, but she does work at the cafe across the street. He goes in, she seems happy to see him, etc. They start texting, she says "aha ur cute ololol" (basically) then they went out for dinner, then to this shady-ass club, then the update you've read in this blog.
On July 03 2010 03:12 LuckyFool wrote: Whoa nice reaver mark. ^^
I feel like I should go back and read the previous blogs to understand this story fully (haven't read any of the previous ones) IS IT WORTH IT?!
TBH I'd prefer a DT. LOLOLOLOL.
yea, it's worth it. hope for nerds everywhere.
ur almost there it's the next one on the protoss icon tech tree... You should probably request to stay a DT forever rofl.
I still remember that game on HBR, such fock. :D
lol. The one where I made like ONE DT -> 2 base arb and you knew it, and you were all like "where the DTs at?" I probably still have the replay somewhere =P.
On July 03 2010 02:44 SandTSquared wrote: wtf why didn't you hit it
... we both like passed out when we got home
...just because she's asleep doesn't mean............
Wat.
Well, if she wakes up during it two things oould happen....either she freaks out and kills him, or she gets into it gets really turned on like a bad porno flick...
On July 03 2010 03:12 LuckyFool wrote: Whoa nice reaver mark. ^^
I feel like I should go back and read the previous blogs to understand this story fully (haven't read any of the previous ones) IS IT WORTH IT?!
TBH I'd prefer a DT. LOLOLOLOL.
yea, it's worth it. hope for nerds everywhere.
ur almost there it's the next one on the protoss icon tech tree... You should probably request to stay a DT forever rofl.
I still remember that game on HBR, such fock. :D
lol. The one where I made like ONE DT -> 2 base arb and you knew it, and you were all like "where the DTs at?" I probably still have the replay somewhere =P.
On July 03 2010 02:44 SandTSquared wrote: wtf why didn't you hit it
... we both like passed out when we got home
...just because she's asleep doesn't mean............
Wat.
Well, if she wakes up during it two things oould happen....either she freaks out and kills him, or she gets into it gets really turned on like a bad porno flick...
take your pick!
Once again, wat.
On July 03 2010 03:26 mOnion wrote: btw pics?
not saying I dont believe you, but I'm good at storytelling too
mOnion's just h8in'. Pictures will lead to people trying to stalk her even more, lawl.
On July 03 2010 03:35 101TFP wrote: if you actually start a relationship with this girl.. have fun trying to keep her away from tl
Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Don't listen to any of the advice here (except Chill's advice not to listen to advice) Xero, just keep being yourself. You've already proven to be a baller. So just keep doing what you're doing.
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
my policy on stories like this is to not give the first shit whether or not it's true. I've never met the guy, I'm 99% likely to never meet him, whether or not this is actually happening doesn't affect my life one little bit. I'm just enjoying watching the story unfold and finding out what happens next.
but hey, maybe I've just been on the internet too long and gotten cynical.
that said, he's on his way to see her now, and he mentioned earlier that he might snap a pic while he's there. so you might yet get your proof.
I am simply not considering that this might even be fake, that would be absolutely terrible. My world would shatter in a glass like fashion, leaving my life mere shards upon the ground.
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
On July 03 2010 04:55 ore0z wrote: When you update, can you add onto your opening post? It'd be cool for people to go back and reread some of the progress you've made
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
I can think of 3 clubs offhand that do not card, or do not card everybody. And I've only been clubbing like twice in my life. Not my cup of tea.
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
Dude getting into clubs is super easy, even if your 17.
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On facebook I don't know - there's plenty of impressionable little girls there and 14 year olds that fall in love left and right. Here there's geeks like you and I. I like to think that both communities are very different.
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On facebook I don't know - there's plenty of impressionable little girls there and 14 year olds that fall in love left and right. Here there's geeks like you and I. I like to think that both communities are very different.
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
Yep, kind of written like a book =P
well.. i didnt want to make it bland and boring i tried to put some life into my story :/ sorr
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On facebook I don't know - there's plenty of impressionable little girls there and 14 year olds that fall in love left and right. Here there's geeks like you and I. I like to think that both communities are very different.
On July 03 2010 05:23 Zidane wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:37 Chill wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
Yep, kind of written like a book =P
well.. i didnt want to make it bland and boring i tried to put some life into my story :/ sorr
Dude don't say you're sorry. Your stuff is nothing short of interesting. Just questioning the veracity of it. Maybe I'll turn out to be a fool though. If that's true you're a baller and if it's not true you're at the very least pretty interesting ;P
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On facebook I don't know - there's plenty of impressionable little girls there and 14 year olds that fall in love left and right. Here there's geeks like you and I. I like to think that both communities are very different.
On July 03 2010 05:23 Zidane wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:37 Chill wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
Yep, kind of written like a book =P
well.. i didnt want to make it bland and boring i tried to put some life into my story :/ sorr
Dude don't say you're sorry. Your stuff is nothing short of interesting. Just questioning the veracity of it. Maybe I'll turn out to be a fool though. If that's true you're a baller and if it's not true you're at the very least pretty interesting ;P
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On facebook I don't know - there's plenty of impressionable little girls there and 14 year olds that fall in love left and right. Here there's geeks like you and I. I like to think that both communities are very different.
On July 03 2010 05:23 Zidane wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:37 Chill wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
Yep, kind of written like a book =P
well.. i didnt want to make it bland and boring i tried to put some life into my story :/ sorr
Dude don't say you're sorry. Your stuff is nothing short of interesting. Just questioning the veracity of it. Maybe I'll turn out to be a fool though. If that's true you're a baller and if it's not true you're at the very least pretty interesting ;P
On July 03 2010 06:23 Elegy wrote: wait....look at the shadows and lighting between faces, this is clearly SHOPPED. The blurriness is there to confuse the...unwary eye.......
nuk = nuk"ed", his post was something about posting a pic of her w/ TL + the date
On July 03 2010 06:23 Elegy wrote: wait....look at the shadows and lighting between faces, this is clearly SHOPPED. The blurriness is there to confuse the...unwary eye.......
nuk = nuk"ed", his post was something about posting a pic of her w/ TL + the date
:/ what should i say to that
Well you can tell him to believe what he wants to believe
On July 03 2010 04:36 Djzapz wrote: Just curious, is this guy really known/trustworthy? Because I don't know him and I know that people on the interwebs are often pretty questionable when it comes down to honestly. I've seen it many times. Guys pretend a lot, some even make up pretty elaborate stories... I used to play wow and everyone cons everyone just to look more manly.
I'm just sayin... Because this seems quite magical if you ask me, and I'm surprised nobody wonders whether it's true or not.
A 17 year old guy meets a 22 year old dream girl with 300 APM, there's a VERY quick build up that resembles bragging, as if it were some kind of scenario. I'm not asserting it's BS but I must say I'm quite skeptical of this, because it's honestly pretty magical.
If it's real though PIX already, been reading this stuff feeling pretty sure it's fictitious!! And for those who may wonder, if it's true, yes I'm jealous =P. I do think this looks very very unlikely though.
Meh, 99% its not fake. Who posts about fake love stories on facebook?
On facebook I don't know - there's plenty of impressionable little girls there and 14 year olds that fall in love left and right. Here there's geeks like you and I. I like to think that both communities are very different.
On July 03 2010 05:23 Zidane wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:37 Chill wrote:
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
Not gonna lie, his descriptions seem kinda... I don't know... off? I mean who really pays attention to the level of detail like he does, I don't know just feels weird. And his age being 17, and the fact that all clubs I have been to card everyone and anyone lead me to raise an eyebrow.
Yep, kind of written like a book =P
well.. i didnt want to make it bland and boring i tried to put some life into my story :/ sorr
Dude don't say you're sorry. Your stuff is nothing short of interesting. Just questioning the veracity of it. Maybe I'll turn out to be a fool though. If that's true you're a baller and if it's not true you're at the very least pretty interesting ;P
HOLY GODDAMN DUDE you win so fucking hard, i worship you /o/
On July 03 2010 07:24 Megalisk wrote: Thats what I thought Poke...but maybe he put alot of makeup on and thats why he looks so pale??
Keep in mind that the picture of his facebook was done with a camera and not a cellphone. Although the pictures don't look very similar (the facial features) I still doubt that he made it up. It's not something someone would do after 4 blogs..
On July 03 2010 06:28 Djzapz wrote: Provided that's you, nice =P
always bringing me down eh? \
straight off my facebook
This doesn't look all that much like the picture you posted.
Looks like Aaron Yoo from the movie Disturbia (2007) on the first pic and nothing like that on the second but yeah... Maybe his face got significantly narrower since the facebook picture. It's pretty far off but it COULD be him.
Keep in mind that the picture of his facebook was done with a camera and not a cellphone. Although the pictures don't look very similar (the facial features) I still doubt that he made it up. It's not something someone would do after 4 blogs..
People jump through hoops to seem cool.
Yeah, the camera phone picture is really low quality. I sincerely hope he didn't troll us all.
Lol, this blog just keeps getting more interesting! Anyways, that second picture looks much older then first one. Perhaps thats from a year or more ago? He is in his teens, a year or more can change ones appearance quite a bit.
Why does he need to prove it? If you don't believe it, I don't really think that should be a problem for him. IMO, it's too far out to be a troll, and thus, seeing as there's evidence + testimony from his Facebook from Pokebunny as far as irc, it must be true.
On July 03 2010 07:40 Mingeek wrote: Why does he need to prove it? If you don't believe it, I don't really think that should be a problem for him. IMO, it's too far out to be a troll, and thus, seeing as there's evidence + testimony from his Facebook from Pokebunny as far as irc, it must be true.
Well, a bit of facebook testimony, but I wouldn't guarantee it. I will say I do believe that minji is a real person, and I do believe he met her in the PC bang. What happened afterwards, I don't know.
At first, many cries for a picture were issued forth, but were drowned forth by the crowd that cheered our young warrior on. "To battle XeRO! To victory!" Cried the mob.
Our fearless warrior did shortly post about his endeavors, and his valiant actions. Success was had, and many across the lands cheered. "Huzzah for our champion, for he is victorious!" Was the chant that could be heard across the parapets of TL.
However, an insidious seed of doubt was planted by a nefarious villain. "This could be fake! I shall advocate no warrior that provides no proof of his battle!"
And so the stormclouds gathered. The denizens of TL questioned our brave warrior. "Proof" was provided, but the questions remained. Can this truly amazing tale of victory be true? Hopes had been crushed too many times before, and many were cynical. Only time will tell whether faith will be the victor against these seeds of doubt.
But, young listener. I, and many others, choose to believe. This tale of young love is truly too touching to taint with the possibility of untruth.
If our hopes are to be dashed in the future, then let it be so.
On July 03 2010 07:44 Tenryu wrote: I think the problem lies within that the 2nd pic he posted doesnt really look like him from the first..
And you would think he would pick the one that resembles it the most. If you were Facebook friends with him, you would have a very hard time believing that it's actually him. I sincerely hope he's not trolling though. Or if he is, that he would fess up on his own
On July 03 2010 07:50 Tenryu wrote: Yeh i beleive it too. Im sure he just touched himself up quite a bit. I mean he was going clubbing with a girl like that
I have hope~
How do you touch up a nose to look about 1 cm narrower? =P
On July 03 2010 07:50 anderoo wrote: i think it's safe to say you can just choose to believe him and there wont really be any harm if it's not true
no way man, they've invested too much into this!
TOO MUCH!
i know man i know, but they could still perhaps break even if they quit now and wrap up the night with some hentai porn, or google images of final fantasy sluts
On July 03 2010 07:50 anderoo wrote: i think it's safe to say you can just choose to believe him and there wont really be any harm if it's not true
no way man, they've invested too much into this!
TOO MUCH!
i know man i know, but they could still perhaps break even if they quit now and wrap up the night with some hentai porn, or google images of final fantasy sluts
On July 03 2010 07:56 Bosu wrote: Pokebunny is so ridiculous.
I can't imagine somebody faking all of this. Although I guess trolling people is fun.
Agreed, but I wouldn't have thought about it if people didn't point it out first.
why do you care enough to pm chill asking him to cross-check IP's is what I'm wondering O_O...
maybe he screwed up with the girl but wants to pretend like he didn't because he hyped it up so much through 349583490 blogs ? or maybe he's not lying at all, who cares.
because this guy and pokebunny actually talked about it on facebook and stuff. he would tell poke what's going on, he would respond, and so on. maybe he cared about it a little more
On July 03 2010 08:02 Elegy wrote: checking this thread again, it appears I have the DUBIOUS HONOR of calling said picture as a shop job. What have I done...
I THOUGHT ABOUT IT THOUGH!!
I just didn't want to look like a non-believing meanie .
On July 03 2010 08:06 Pokebunny wrote: Cuz I'm curious? It takes 30 seconds to PM someone.
You're going to encounter problems later with people if that's how you deal with curiosity, people tend to think that's creepy, especially with people you don't even know in real life and aren't really more than e-acquaintances.
Not like I really care, but ya, seems like you're taking too much of an interest.
On July 03 2010 07:56 Bosu wrote: Pokebunny is so ridiculous.
I can't imagine somebody faking all of this. Although I guess trolling people is fun.
Agreed, but I wouldn't have thought about it if people didn't point it out first.
You youngsters might want to do a little search for Zia That being said I personally don't see the use of lying about something like this and always tend to trust people unless proven wrong.
On July 03 2010 07:56 Bosu wrote: Pokebunny is so ridiculous.
I can't imagine somebody faking all of this. Although I guess trolling people is fun.
Agreed, but I wouldn't have thought about it if people didn't point it out first.
why do you care enough to pm chill asking him to cross-check IP's is what I'm wondering O_O...
maybe he screwed up with the girl but wants to pretend like he didn't because he hyped it up so much through 349583490 blogs ? or maybe he's not lying at all, who cares.
To be fair the IPs tell he's bullshitting but I don't really care.
On July 03 2010 07:56 Bosu wrote: Pokebunny is so ridiculous.
I can't imagine somebody faking all of this. Although I guess trolling people is fun.
Agreed, but I wouldn't have thought about it if people didn't point it out first.
why do you care enough to pm chill asking him to cross-check IP's is what I'm wondering O_O...
maybe he screwed up with the girl but wants to pretend like he didn't because he hyped it up so much through 349583490 blogs ? or maybe he's not lying at all, who cares.
To be fair the IPs tell he's bullshitting but I don't really care.
On July 03 2010 07:56 Bosu wrote: Pokebunny is so ridiculous.
I can't imagine somebody faking all of this. Although I guess trolling people is fun.
Agreed, but I wouldn't have thought about it if people didn't point it out first.
why do you care enough to pm chill asking him to cross-check IP's is what I'm wondering O_O...
maybe he screwed up with the girl but wants to pretend like he didn't because he hyped it up so much through 349583490 blogs ? or maybe he's not lying at all, who cares.
To be fair the IPs tell he's bullshitting but I don't really care.
haha oh my god some people are clearly getting too bored over summer break sad man, sad
On July 03 2010 07:56 Bosu wrote: Pokebunny is so ridiculous.
I can't imagine somebody faking all of this. Although I guess trolling people is fun.
Agreed, but I wouldn't have thought about it if people didn't point it out first.
why do you care enough to pm chill asking him to cross-check IP's is what I'm wondering O_O...
maybe he screwed up with the girl but wants to pretend like he didn't because he hyped it up so much through 349583490 blogs ? or maybe he's not lying at all, who cares.
To be fair the IPs tell he's bullshitting but I don't really care.
Are you happy chill?
Are you happy you killed the hopes and dreams of an entire forum?
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
EDIT: Oh Chill doesn't care anyways
Anyways this is pretty interesting..Also, when did Xero say he was posting from the girls house??
He said he used her laptop, which was the same IP as around 150 posts he's made after that. So unless he's moved in with her, it's pretty obvious.
Also, anyone could look at the pics and tell it's bullshit.
The only interesting thing to come of this is his explanation. I guess he doesn't value being able to post here since he just sacrificed it for 5 minutes of fame.
On July 03 2010 04:23 Chill wrote: If it turns out to be fake I'm perming him. It will break my heart.
EDIT: Oh Chill doesn't care anyways
Anyways this is pretty interesting..Also, when did Xero say he was posting from the girls house??
He said he used her laptop, which was the same IP as around 150 posts he's made after that. So unless he's moved in with her, it's pretty obvious.
Also, anyone could look at the pics and tell it's bullshit.
The only interesting thing to come of this is his explanation. I guess he doesn't value being able to post here since he just sacrificed it for 5 minutes of fame.
Wow...This is GG.. 4 blogs later.. I guess his fame is over? :| I kinda feel bad for him.. He stopped updating his blog.. Hope he is okay :/
Haha so ridiculous. I wonder why he ever posted the facebook picture. I gave him benefit of doubt even though it didn't look like him. Never again will I question Pokebunny.
"And so on this warm summer evening the children huddled around old Xero who spun his tales for their excitement"
I say give the guy a break. It was a slow week without the beta and his stories enticed us for a while. It was fun while it lasted and lets hope he learned something from it and stays on the righteous path from now on.
well, truth being told, if you want to post a believable girl story on TL, write about your gf sucking your dogs dick. No one is going to argue with that
On July 03 2010 08:37 disciple wrote: well, truth being told, if you want to post a believable girl story on TL, write about your gf sucking your dogs dick. No one is going to argue with that
I knew 2 girls who did that to 1 dog.. It was a big WTF moment..
On July 03 2010 08:38 holy_war wrote: I ran the pics he posted through TinEye and it came out with no hits. I dunno if that means anything.
could have been someone else' phone? maybe his brother?> idk.
On July 03 2010 08:38 holy_war wrote: I ran the pics he posted through TinEye and it came out with no hits. I dunno if that means anything.
Would be a shame if this kid got banned. No lasting damage has been done here. I myself found the blogs fairly entertaining.
It is amazing how common these types of shenanigans are on the internet though. The whole 'pics or it didn't happen' thing may be an overused meme, but it does have its place.
Edit - unfortunately for this guy, the providing of said pics seems to have been his undoing!
On July 03 2010 08:55 Floydian wrote: Would be a shame if this kid got banned. No lasting damage has been done here. I myself found the blogs fairly entertaining.
It is amazing how common these types of shenanigans are on the internet though. The whole 'pics or it didn't happen' thing may be an overused meme, but it does have its place.
Edit - unfortunately for this guy, the providing of said pics seems to have been his undoing!
Bullshit. I don't want to be part of a community where we can't trust what people write.
On July 03 2010 08:55 Floydian wrote: Would be a shame if this kid got banned. No lasting damage has been done here. I myself found the blogs fairly entertaining.
It is amazing how common these types of shenanigans are on the internet though. The whole 'pics or it didn't happen' thing may be an overused meme, but it does have its place.
Edit - unfortunately for this guy, the providing of said pics seems to have been his undoing!
Bullshit. I don't want to be part of a community where we can't trust what people write.
As chill said.. If someone writes a blog.. or 4, and doesn't say that it is fiction and tries to get every ones hopes up and then it not being true.. How is that enjoyable.. Many people were getting into this blog and wanted to know what was the turn out.
Odd how he hasn't updated / tried to straighten things out now..? If people thought what I posted was BS then I would respond and try to defend myself. Apparently he knows it's a lost cause since he posted a pic of 2 random people claiming to be him and the girl..
On July 03 2010 09:02 Manifesto7 wrote: The only reliable proof on the internet is her holding a TL sign.
Or him writing his name on her stomach with a sharpie in a .avi
Pretty much this, It's much harder to fake writing on someones stomach then photoshopping a "hey TL" piece of paper on a table with 2 people sitting beside it.
Although, he could ask a friend / his mom / sister to write hey TL on their stomach to try and clear his name.
Off topic: Any reason why this blog isn't on the side bar anymore? Do blogs go on the side bar when they are new not when they are bumped? How does that work?
This reminds me of when someone posted that they decided to man up and ask a girl out and it worked. I was so happy. Then it was fucking tdot. Fuck my life.
I really don't think you should ban him. Even if he was lying it was an enjoyable adventure for people to even think about. True or not people got involved in the possibilities and it was fun regardless. Shit happens, but this is the internet after all and everyone tells lies even if they're not this huge it happens.
On July 03 2010 09:05 NuKedUFirst wrote: Off topic: Any reason why this blog isn't on the side bar anymore? Do blogs go on the side bar when they are new not when they are bumped? How does that work?
On July 03 2010 09:09 Chill wrote: This reminds me of when someone posted that they decided to man up and ask a girl out and it worked. I was so happy. Then it was fucking tdot. Fuck my life.
Going to add that one to the official FML site?
On July 03 2010 09:09 tonight wrote: I really don't think you should ban him. Even if he was lying it was an enjoyable adventure for people to even think about. True or not people got involved in the possibilities and it was fun regardless. Shit happens, but this is the internet after all and everyone tells lies even if they're not this huge it happens.
He should have claimed it wasn't true instead of leading people to believe it was.
On July 03 2010 09:09 Megalisk wrote: Blogs on the sidebar are ordered by date posted.
But, perma banning him would be on the same level as people who hacked and cheated in cash money tournaments. I don't really think lying about a girl, which is probably a real girl that he may have struck out with or maybe it's a friend's story that he hijacked, is the same as cheated a community out of money.
On July 03 2010 09:14 tonight wrote: But, perma banning him would be on the same level as people who hacked and cheated in cash money tournaments. I don't really think lying about a girl, which is probably a real girl that he may have struck out with or maybe it's a friend's story that he hijacked, is the same as cheated a community out of money.
Speak for yourself, i had bets riding on this..
@Xero, hey, just post and explain yourself. No one is going to kill you, you will not be harmed. So man up and explain yourself.
- He spent so much time hyping this up on TL. - He actually got rejected, or chickened out, or something - Decided to carry on like he didn't because he had invested so much stake on TL - Turned out badly for him in the end.
Unfortunately, people take TL way too seriously, for someone to be compelled to do this is pretty sad.
On July 03 2010 09:19 Xeris wrote: Probable explanation:
- He spent so much time hyping this up on TL. - He actually got rejected, or chickened out, or something - Decided to carry on like he didn't because he had invested so much stake on TL - Turned out badly for him in the end.
Unfortunately, people take TL way too seriously, for someone to be compelled to do this is pretty sad.
Yeh, I figure it's true up to the part where they go out clubbing. I expect they go to the koreatown galleries, he tries to hit on her and fails. I dunno though. Made a good story regardless, I almost wish it lasted longer.
Personally, I think everybody should stop bandwagoning like a bunch of blind sheep. Just wait, the world doesn't depend on your split second decision to tell whether he's lying or not.
On July 03 2010 09:21 anderoo wrote: personally i hope Chill is the one trolling XD
TWIST!
Pokebunny/Chill were in on it all along!
The picture is still pretty damning evidence though :\.
It's really not. XeRo does look a like the (potentially) other guy in the first pic, and camera angles can do lots so
But can they give face lifts? I see what you are saying though, and it is also a cellphone camera.. but if what chill says is true about him lying about updating it on her laptop..hm.
lol reading everyones comments makes this blog interesting. This wasn't how I thought it would turn out, nonetheless I just went through 16 pages of giggles.
He's not banned yet so I'm assuming TL is giving him a chance to explain himself? Has he gone into hiding?
On July 03 2010 09:14 tonight wrote: But, perma banning him would be on the same level as people who hacked and cheated in cash money tournaments. I don't really think lying about a girl, which is probably a real girl that he may have struck out with or maybe it's a friend's story that he hijacked, is the same as cheated a community out of money.
You don't have to hack in cash prize tournaments to be perma banned, hacking period will get you perma banned (Clazz for example).
Hahaha well IMO he should be banned if he comes back and tries to lie again when his Facebook pictures clearly speak otherwise..he shouldn't have added tlnet people. This is way too funny though haha god
On July 03 2010 10:05 Z3kk wrote: ...T_____T I'm so sad if this is true...
Is the main "evidence" the IP thing or the discrepancy between his fb and blog picture?
The IP thing pretty much makes it.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. :< In my opinion, if Chill is bullshitting us, then the picture difference becomes a lot more believable. I don't think Chill would lie to us though.
Poll: Have you lost faith in humanity after finding out its a fake?
Yes! How could he lie to us! I cheered for him! (40)
55%
Nah, figured he was trolling all along. (17)
23%
Nah, there are still good people in the world. (9)
12%
Man you others just be haters! Chill is the one trolling! (7)
10%
73 total votes
Your vote: Have you lost faith in humanity after finding out its a fake?
(Vote): Yes! How could he lie to us! I cheered for him! (Vote): Nah, figured he was trolling all along. (Vote): Nah, there are still good people in the world. (Vote): Man you others just be haters! Chill is the one trolling!
Actually guys, I really do think he's fake. I mean,he hasn't responded yet and he has posted frequently here before, so I KNOW Xero is reading this right now and deciding what to write.
On July 03 2010 10:06 flamewheel wrote: Lololwtf please don't lock this; I just skimmed through the last page. TL DETECTIVES OF THE INTERNET.
Will be reading after some delicious dumplings \o/
The story got even more interesting, eh?
She is really pretty. I am starting to like Korean Girls kekekekeke! Ah, I love Korean Girls! Especially the boothgirl. Look pure, didn't wear hot and sexy, white dress, big eyes, nice complex skin... Ah, why am I not born in Korea.
What detective? What IP what facebook? Ah the mysteries! I am going to read the comments to understand the story behind it. I am on page 4 now. Ah. there is 17 pages ToT .
*Edit* I am kinda in a hurry and anxious to know the real story.. is it he told a fake story? I feel stressed because I try to skimmed through all the pages, but I am scare I lose some content while reading fast. Thus lose out important content..
On July 03 2010 10:23 Pandain wrote: Actually guys, I really do think he's fake. I mean,he hasn't responded yet and he has posted frequently here before, so I KNOW Xero is reading this right now and deciding what to write.
seriuosly he has 171 posts per week, he's gotta be reading this.
On July 03 2010 10:23 Pandain wrote: Actually guys, I really do think he's fake. I mean,he hasn't responded yet and he has posted frequently here before, so I KNOW Xero is reading this right now and deciding what to write.
seriuosly he has 171 posts per week, he's gotta be reading this.
Is he laughing his ass off for trolling so many people or is he crying a little bit inside?
On July 03 2010 10:23 Pandain wrote: Actually guys, I really do think he's fake. I mean,he hasn't responded yet and he has posted frequently here before, so I KNOW Xero is reading this right now and deciding what to write.
seriuosly he has 171 posts per week, he's gotta be reading this.
Is he laughing his ass off for trolling so many people or is he crying a little bit inside?
most likely crying, the people that laugh their ass off for trolling are low post counters most times, unless its a mod.
On July 03 2010 10:23 Pandain wrote: Actually guys, I really do think he's fake. I mean,he hasn't responded yet and he has posted frequently here before, so I KNOW Xero is reading this right now and deciding what to write.
seriuosly he has 171 posts per week, he's gotta be reading this.
Is he laughing his ass off for trolling so many people or is he crying a little bit inside?
Its a double standard, If we believed it was real he would play along, but if we say its fake he can just say it was a troll..
On July 03 2010 10:39 Nickkelbackk wrote: Xero, u have had enough time to think about what you have done. Now Post Or forever be banished from Teamliquid.
I agree, for a user with above-4500 posts Teamliquid obviously means something. Do you really want that gone Xero? Come on just explain yourself. Being honest right now is the best thing you can do.
On July 03 2010 10:40 Xeris wrote: I don't find that girl attractive at all [
are you not into asian girls or something? i'd like to see pics of girls from your online dating that you would consider 10's if that girl isn't attractive at all
On July 03 2010 11:04 JohannesH wrote: She looks like an ordinary korean with a unattractive expression on as far as i see [not that last pic, but the supposed "Minji"]
Yeah, nothing especially attractive
It's obviously not a good photo of whoever that girl is. Regardless she isn't bad..
Going to bed, can't wait to see this thread in the morning X_X
"Because sometimes... the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith unrewarded.
Because he's the hero TL deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dream Xero."
jk. ban him. Actually maybe a bit harsh.
Personally It was atleast entertaining. I jumped in at the middle so I semi believed it, got suspicious when i went back and read the 300 apm part etc, just too convenient heh But still wanted to believeee.
On July 03 2010 10:58 YPang wrote: she looks liek calm with tits
I'd do Calm with tits.
That's like my favorite picture of Elly though. I don't know why people don't like it =(
she looks better lying down
They all look better lying down :D
????
Anyway, really the moment of truth is upon Xero. IS this the end of an epic blog and a once-great poster, or is it just a soon to be forgiven tradgedy. Only time will tell.
= ( Such a disappointment, story was still good (I still can´t believe some details he came up with, deceived us all, this guy should write a motherfucking novel)... but i don´t really understand why would someone spend so much time making up something like this. I had fun with the blogs, but man, poor pokebunny, i´m sad for him U_U
Ah, I have seen her picture before! She must be very very very very famous in the internet... Really looked like calm + tossgirl keke. The breast is so nature. and firm. and nice shape. Ah..
Maybe Maybe.... It was all true, but he purposely made it seem like a troll by posting fake pics and questionable IPs. In an hour or so after he's done tapping that 22 year old Korean pussy he will take a real pic with her holding up a piece of paper with TL.net written on it.
Ah, I have seen her picture before! She must be very very very very famous in the internet... Really looked like calm + tossgirl keke. The breast is so nature. and firm. and nice shape. Ah..
Hm. Can sum1 tell me what really happened?
And, I find minji is very very pretty
We don't know yet. Evidence gathered from Detective Pokebunny and Chill show that Xero may have been lying the whole time D:.
And that picture that Xero posted probably isn't "Minji".
But I think we should wait for what Xero has to say >.
Ah, I have seen her picture before! She must be very very very very famous in the internet... Really looked like calm + tossgirl keke. The breast is so nature. and firm. and nice shape. Ah..
"Because sometimes... the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith unrewarded.
Because he's the hero TL deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dream Xero."
jk. ban him. Actually maybe a bit harsh.
Personally It was atleast entertaining. I jumped in at the middle so I semi believed it, got suspicious when i went back and read the 300 apm part etc, just too convenient heh But still wanted to believeee.
The funniest part is I don't even know why he posted a picture that doesn't even remotely resemble him. Who are these people? Where did he get it from? And the worst thing is he tries to prove that it is actually him by posting a Facebook picture (heavily angled and photoshopped) that still doesn't look anything similar. Lol the sheer amount of details he made up is amazing though. Underground clubbing, pretending to not know what a lap dance is, spending the night at her place, surfing TL on her laptop, hahahaha. WHY?
On July 03 2010 12:15 OneOther wrote: The funniest part is I don't even know why he posted a picture that doesn't even remotely resemble him. Who are these people? Where did he get it from? And the worst thing is he tries to prove that it is actually him by posting a Facebook picture (heavily angled and photoshopped) that still doesn't look anything similar. Lol the sheer amount of details he made up is amazing though. Underground clubbing, pretending to not know what a lap dance is, spending the night at her place, surfing TL on her laptop, hahahaha. WHY?
First one to find this picture online gets admin powers for a week!
Ah what a crushing blow the revelation of the doubtfulness of the veracity of this esteemed blog has dealt me! I believed! Just want to see his response now LOL he will get around to it sooner or later I suppose. I was so emotionally invested starting from the first post *sniff*.
Ah, I have seen her picture before! She must be very very very very famous in the internet... Really looked like calm + tossgirl keke. The breast is so nature. and firm. and nice shape. Ah..
Anyone actually live near Koreatown in LA? I'm pretty sure there arn't that many PC Bangs with a Cafe that's right across the street. Just go in and ask for a Minjee... +E-fame, E-props and E-peen if someone actually investigates,
On July 03 2010 12:50 textbook wrote: Anyone actually live near Koreatown in LA? I'm pretty sure there arn't that many PC Bangs with a Cafe that's right across the street. Just go in and ask for a Minjee... +E-fame, E-props and E-peen if someone actually investigates,
Anyway's, let's do a little comparison / analysis / dissection
Okay so Xero described himself as 6 feet tall and the girl coming up to approx. his chin. If we look at angle A, we see that the guy in the first picture is standing nearly straight, bending over just a bit. Clearly this is... not a 8 or 9 inch difference in height, as suggested by Xero.
Next, we can take a look at his face, and the face of his facebook pic (B): Eyes - too asian in both pics to tell Nose - he's making a weird face in the fb pic, so who knows Mouth - (above) Hair - I would believe it.
---edited--- Chin - sure why not Lower jaw - AHA! Looks nothing alike! (one goes in and the other goes out in curvature) Skin - color is very different obviously, but this could be blamed on the lighting
(If anyone recognizes the brand for the bottle in section C, please contribute)
FINALLY: The guy in the first pic has a ring on his fourth finger. Well, it's his right hand, right? The cellphone used to take the picture is showing the camera toward us (just proof, it's pretty obvious), meaning the hand with the ring is actually his LEFT hand! I wonder what that means.... .... ....
Hm, I just don't see why he would do this. Seemed to be a straight forward kind of guy and a pretty good poster. Didn't think he'd just want to shit all over the place here by making several blogs that end up not being true. Who knows though. Guess there is no answer until he comes around and says something.
On July 03 2010 13:12 tonight wrote: Hm, I just don't see why he would do this. Seemed to be a straight forward kind of guy and a pretty good poster. Didn't think he'd just want to shit all over the place here by making several blogs that end up not being true. Who knows though. Guess there is no answer until he comes around and says something.
Internet Anonymity.
If we believe = ecred. If we don't = fuck it, it's the internet.
On July 03 2010 13:12 tonight wrote: Hm, I just don't see why he would do this. Seemed to be a straight forward kind of guy and a pretty good poster. Didn't think he'd just want to shit all over the place here by making several blogs that end up not being true. Who knows though. Guess there is no answer until he comes around and says something.
I think he reads TL a lot. A lot of his posts were "lol sup" bumps to threads in certain sections, one after another, for lack of anything else to say other than just acknowledging that he had read through the thread or, if not, at least active on the forums. He's been actively posting for a while now, and it's pretty obvious that he cares about TL. I think he just wanted a little more attention - to be known for something. Did he get what he wanted? Only he knows. [Exeunt, detective Watson.]
If you were Facebook friends with him, you would have laughed out loud too when he posted that picture with "Minji." Yeah. That second picture he posted from Facebook is heavily angled and photoshopped as well.
On July 03 2010 13:35 krndandaman wrote: LOL first I was on the first page going "Aw this is cute." went to last page and seeing everyone going "ban?" "noooooo I lost hope"
so I'm wtfin and go search the pages in between and realize its a sham.
amazing prank, totally got me. was a very entertaining one to say the very least. (Although too good to be true story)
and am I the only one who was disappointed with the girl? she looks like your typical korean fob girl. without the makeup I bet she's ugly. imo the guy is actually much better looking than that girl lmao
They both look like mannequins D:..and they are both good looking :D.
On July 03 2010 13:35 krndandaman wrote: LOL first I was on the first page going "Aw this is cute." went to last page and seeing everyone going "ban?" "noooooo I lost hope"
so I'm wtfin and go search the pages in between and realize its a sham.
amazing prank, totally got me. was a very entertaining one to say the very least. (Although too good to be true story)
and am I the only one who was disappointed with the girl? she looks like your typical korean fob girl. without the makeup I bet she's ugly. imo the guy is actually much better looking than that girl lmao
They both look like mannequins D:..and they are both good looking :D.
? Good looking?
The one on the left has eyes of DECEIT and the one on the right is probably his sister.
I don't want to sound racist or anything, but the second I saw the pic he posted of himself and compared it to the first one with "minji", I didn't see how it could be the same person and wanted to refrain from casting aspersions upon such a tale of happy romance as this until someone else did it first. I'm really, really bad at telling Asian people apart (ones I don't know) =(.
I thought I was blind or something when other mutual Facebook friends from Teamliquid believed him. Those two people don't even look anything remotely alike.
Who knows how much of it is true? The guy's pathetic, more or less. I doubt he even got a text. Probably saw her in the PC Cafe, but was too afraid to talk to her. End of story.
Also - If you are bored, go read the OP again while keeping in mind he's making all of this up on his home computer after beating off to Hentai or some shit. Sooo funny hahaha.
On July 03 2010 13:47 OneOther wrote: I thought I was blind or something when other mutual Facebook friends from Teamliquid believed him. Those two people don't even look anything remotely alike.
Who knows how much of it is true? The guy's a pathetic loser. I doubt he even got a text. Probably saw her in the PC Cafe, but was too afraid to talk to her. End of story.
If you are bored, go read the OP again while keeping in mind he's making all of this up on his home computer after beating off to Hentai or some shit. Sooo funny hahaha.
On July 03 2010 09:27 YPang wrote: rofl u guys are rolling deep into xero's ass.
Guys, can we leave him alone till he explains? It's just pages and pages of "lol u nub" now. Although at first I was like "lololol wat" I want to give him a chance before TL crucifies(?) him?
The funniest conversation happened on Facebook though. I posted a comment on his wall with the fake photo, asking him why the hell he looks completely different and that I thought he was taking this trolling bullshit too far. I recommended him to fess up but he instantly deleted my comment, saying that some girl named "Beatrice" from home might get upset if she heard about "Minji." By that point it was obvious he got this entire story from some kinky Korean porn shit he watched last night, so I was like "dude you should really just say you were making stuff up lol this is getting ridiculous." And then I got deleted from his friends. Hard life.
On July 03 2010 13:12 tonight wrote: Hm, I just don't see why he would do this. Seemed to be a straight forward kind of guy and a pretty good poster. Didn't think he'd just want to shit all over the place here by making several blogs that end up not being true. Who knows though. Guess there is no answer until he comes around and says something.
There is an answer. Why do you insist on keeping a lie alive.....
this is sort of like when you read in the news that someone robbed a store and took $75
except instead of a small amount of money it was just a story of going out with a girl and getting a small amount of laid (holding hands, valued at approx. ~$4)
He has had long enough to post, can a mod please permaban him and his ip. Also can someone post a link to his facebook? He is not the only one who like to watch people burn.
EDIT: Is there any Blizzard employees here? Could someone please ban him and his ip from Starcraft, Starcraft 2 and any other Blizzard game. kthx.
On July 03 2010 14:17 matjlav wrote: I know a lot of people are mad about this... but when I found out this was fake, my feelings were more like the following:
Like, seriously, he made this unbelievable story sooo believable.
But still, that was pretty lame and uncalled for.
Wasn't believable, I caught it when he said 300 APM. I think you're just pretty gullible. Also as someone mentioned, people don't put such an emphasis to detail when they tell the truth.
I was very skeptical from the beginning and it was called for.
On July 03 2010 14:18 Nickkelbackk wrote: He has had long enough to post, can a mod please permaban him and his ip. Also can someone post a link to his facebook? He is not the only one who like to watch people burn.
EDIT: Is there any Blizzard employees here? Could someone please ban him and his ip from Starcraft, Starcraft 2 and any other Blizzard game. kthx.
Dude wtf is wrong with you..he trolled an internet forum..big deal. Go back to 4chan or something.
Same for all those other people asking for his facebook, yes hes stupid, but just leave the kid alone.
Lol what a crazy ass situation...i suspect some of things are taken from experience but mostly bullshit. Also, i'm asian and i think the 2 pics he posted look sooooo freaking different even if the quality/lighting/angles are off.
On July 03 2010 14:17 matjlav wrote: I know a lot of people are mad about this... but when I found out this was fake, my feelings were more like the following:
Like, seriously, he made this unbelievable story sooo believable.
But still, that was pretty lame and uncalled for.
Wasn't believable, I caught it when he said 300 APM. I think you're just pretty gullible. Also as someone mentioned, people don't put such an emphasis to detail when they tell the truth.
I was very skeptical from the beginning and it was called for.
The whole story, with all the details and his feigned innocence about the whole situation, was a lot more creative than I could have come up with. (Regardless, I figured that the 300 APM thing was just an exaggeration.) Call me "gullible," but he fooled most everyone on this forum.
On July 03 2010 14:17 matjlav wrote: I know a lot of people are mad about this... but when I found out this was fake, my feelings were more like the following:
Like, seriously, he made this unbelievable story sooo believable.
But still, that was pretty lame and uncalled for.
Wasn't believable, I caught it when he said 300 APM. I think you're just pretty gullible. Also as someone mentioned, people don't put such an emphasis to detail when they tell the truth.
I was very skeptical from the beginning and it was called for.
The whole story, with all the details and his feigned innocence about the whole situation, was a lot more creative than I could have come up with. (Regardless, I figured that the 300 APM thing was just an exaggeration.) Call me "gullible," but he fooled most everyone on this forum.
Heh... I suppose he did. But then again, when the first few posts cheer for him, people follow the wave.
On July 03 2010 14:17 matjlav wrote: I know a lot of people are mad about this... but when I found out this was fake, my feelings were more like the following:
Like, seriously, he made this unbelievable story sooo believable.
But still, that was pretty lame and uncalled for.
Wasn't believable, I caught it when he said 300 APM. I think you're just pretty gullible. Also as someone mentioned, people don't put such an emphasis to detail when they tell the truth.
I was very skeptical from the beginning and it was called for.
The whole story, with all the details and his feigned innocence about the whole situation, was a lot more creative than I could have come up with. (Regardless, I figured that the 300 APM thing was just an exaggeration.) Call me "gullible," but he fooled most everyone on this forum.
Heh... I suppose he did. But then again, when the first few posts cheer for him, people follow the wave.
I'm sure we would have seen a lot more skepticism if he didn't have 4.5k posts and a decent reputation. I'm sure if I posted a blog like that, people would have more of a "yeah, right, buddy" reaction.
On July 03 2010 14:27 kNyTTyM wrote: I actually don't care if this is real but tl is like my e-family. So when I meet you at school next year I get to kick your head in.
On July 03 2010 14:17 matjlav wrote: I know a lot of people are mad about this... but when I found out this was fake, my feelings were more like the following:
Like, seriously, he made this unbelievable story sooo believable.
But still, that was pretty lame and uncalled for.
Wasn't believable, I caught it when he said 300 APM. I think you're just pretty gullible. Also as someone mentioned, people don't put such an emphasis to detail when they tell the truth.
I was very skeptical from the beginning and it was called for.
The whole story, with all the details and his feigned innocence about the whole situation, was a lot more creative than I could have come up with. (Regardless, I figured that the 300 APM thing was just an exaggeration.) Call me "gullible," but he fooled most everyone on this forum.
Heh... I suppose he did. But then again, when the first few posts cheer for him, people follow the wave.
I'm sure we would have seen a lot more skepticism if he didn't have 4.5k posts and a decent reputation. I'm sure if I posted a blog like that, people would have more of a "yeah, right, buddy" reaction.
yeah its not every day some 4k+ poster makes up some story just to fool people
I dont wanna see him banned at least until he has a chance to respond... up to him to choose whether to basically ban himself by disappearing or to face the community
On July 03 2010 14:18 Nickkelbackk wrote: He has had long enough to post, can a mod please permaban him and his ip. Also can someone post a link to his facebook? He is not the only one who like to watch people burn.
EDIT: Is there any Blizzard employees here? Could someone please ban him and his ip from Starcraft, Starcraft 2 and any other Blizzard game. kthx.
Dude wtf is wrong with you..he trolled an internet forum..big deal. Go back to 4chan or something.
Same for all those other people asking for his facebook, yes hes stupid, but just leave the kid alone.
Chill I was just messing around, wasnt that the point of this thread, just to make some ****ing jokes.
Wow. Evil, evil troll. I think he should be banned on grounds of breaking the 5th Commandment, if we want to be pseudo-legal about this.
And just randomly pointing out two of his quotes on his facebook: "Those who care dont matter, and those who matter wont care" "as soon as our balls touch, i'm done"
On July 03 2010 15:08 anderoo wrote: rofl, also a bunch of us thought the mannequin was decently hot
wow i'm legitametly e-barassed over that
Why be embarrassed?
I have no qualms in saying that I get aroused at the sight of many a mannequin. When I was 17, I couldn't walk through a clothing store for fear of lack of self control =(
wow, I can't believe that i got fooled like that... well that goes to show you that I need to read the comments a little before commenting on the OP =_=
I so called this shit. If you read his writing it's like an 8th grader trying to do a romance novel and sucking at it. What the hell does "some people like to watch the world burn" even mean.
But what is a little more sad is how many people he got to believe him. I mean, did most of you guys really buy this BS, or did you force yourselves to because you wanted to live vicariously through his blog?
If anything, let this be a lesson to the nerds of TL, if it's too good to be true it is. RL situations and dating don't happen this way. You're not going to meet the girl of your dreams playing SC all day. You gotta man up, grow some balls and start socializing with people outside your normal comfort zone.
Open the picture of her and look at her eyes and lips. No creases or dimples or anything.
Her eyes look...WEIRD. My girlfriend even said the eyes looked really strange. And no I don't mean it in any asian joking way. They just...agh it's all too fake looking.
If it's 23869262367 pounds of makeup, I will take it all back. but imo, she's fake.
I just finished watching SKT match. Just eat. Come back. from 20 pages comment into 27 pages keke.
I read from 20-24. Keke. I think I will stay home today to read everything. I feel like. I want to understand the whole story. So interesting. This is so much better than the Roffles Dance controvesy + On strike news keke.
Anyone care to give me the short version of Roffles' thing? I have no clue what happened. Or a link maybe but a quick explanation would be better. 3AM here, should hit the sack soon. ^^
On July 03 2010 15:37 Zidane wrote: I so called this shit. If you read his writing it's like an 8th grader trying to do a romance novel and sucking at it. What the hell does "some people like to watch the world burn" even mean.
But what is a little more sad is how many people he got to believe him. I mean, did most of you guys really buy this BS, or did you force yourselves to because you wanted to live vicariously through his blog?
Hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it?
It's just so funny to read someone that initially believed the story, and then started doubting it at the same time as everyone else did, and then when it's proven to be fake, he yells "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and then goes on a condescending rant because people believed a reputable poster who wrote a convincing (though outlandish) story.
On July 03 2010 16:04 Djzapz wrote: Anyone care to give me the short version of Roffles' thing? I have no clue what happened. Or a link maybe but a quick explanation would be better. 3AM here, should hit the sack soon. ^^
On July 03 2010 16:04 Djzapz wrote: Anyone care to give me the short version of Roffles' thing? I have no clue what happened. Or a link maybe but a quick explanation would be better. 3AM here, should hit the sack soon. ^^
On July 03 2010 15:37 Zidane wrote: I so called this shit. If you read his writing it's like an 8th grader trying to do a romance novel and sucking at it. What the hell does "some people like to watch the world burn" even mean.
But what is a little more sad is how many people he got to believe him. I mean, did most of you guys really buy this BS, or did you force yourselves to because you wanted to live vicariously through his blog?
Hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it?
It's just so funny to read someone that initially believed the story, and then started doubting it at the same time as everyone else did, and then when it's proven to be fake, he yells "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and then goes on a condescending rant because people believed a reputable poster who wrote a convincing (though outlandish) story.
Get over yourself.
Actually why don't you look at my previous post history before you go sounding off on me? Thanks!
Also, I personally thought a huge red flag would be the idea of a 17 yr old in the US being so naive, especially when he was like "Calculus makes me last longer? As in a longer relationship?" lol...right...
On July 03 2010 15:37 Zidane wrote: I so called this shit. If you read his writing it's like an 8th grader trying to do a romance novel and sucking at it. What the hell does "some people like to watch the world burn" even mean.
But what is a little more sad is how many people he got to believe him. I mean, did most of you guys really buy this BS, or did you force yourselves to because you wanted to live vicariously through his blog?
Hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it?
It's just so funny to read someone that initially believed the story, and then started doubting it at the same time as everyone else did, and then when it's proven to be fake, he yells "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and then goes on a condescending rant because people believed a reputable poster who wrote a convincing (though outlandish) story.
Get over yourself.
Like he said, Zidane and I were already questioning this on page 7 of this thread.
And no ban. The guy's paralyzed. If you want to torture him, don't murder him. Now he can post but he won't because he knows what would happen. AND IF HE DOES, it'll be hilarious.
A summary for those who missed the first few blogs.
Our resident hero, Xero, creates blog number one.
He writes about a beautiful lady at a PC bang. He was minding his own business when he spots his dream girl. 300 APM Zerg player. She smashes some noob and catches him staring, jaw dropped on the floor in amazement. She asks him what he wants, and he asks if she wants to play a game. He gets utterly destroyed. He asks in astonishment how long she has been playing Starcraft. Her reply is 8 years. As she is leaving she gives him a hinting smile and only says "Female Hong Jin Ho"
Next day. Blog number two from our nerd hero. He has spotted the angel of zerg once again! Though this time on DOTA, he stammered over to her and gave a weak, tiny "hello." She smiles up at him and greets him happily. Xero manages to give her a shaky "I'm Sean" to which she replies "I'm Minji." He orders the PC next to her and while she is playing DOTA, she is giving him tips in Starcraft. "Expand now." "Watch for Reavers." Unfortunately Xero had to leave once again, and as he was leaving, he mentioned he would see her tomorrow. She told him she would be waiting eagerly. Our hero came swooning back to his computer, eagerly updating blog two with this information. More and more of TL joined in the cheering.
Our smooth nerd came back with a day three update. He said she was not at the PC Bang. Did our hopes and dreams get stood up? No! She works next door at the cafe. She was very excited to see him at the cafe. Xero and Minji chatted for a bit. It was then he found out Minji was 22 years old, compared to his own 17 years of age. She seemed to find him even more cute! Luck is with our friend Xero these last few days. Xero had to leave, as he had a friend waiting on him to pick him up. On his way out, he became the manliest man of all TL and straight up asked for her phone number. Success! Phone number in pocket, Xero sprinted as fast as he could to pick up his friend.
Later, he receives flirty text messages from Minji...which promptly leads to another blog. She calls him cute. Wants to hang out. Xero accepts, and he leaves to take Minji to dinner. After having a good time over dinner and soju, Minji offers to take him out clubbing. Graciously accepting, Xero passes the time while she is changing to post another update on TL. He's going clubbing with her! More excitement and cheering go on, many people trying to teach him how to get his groove on and prepare for grinding and some love making. Naive as he is, he gathers up TL's helpful information and heads out with her........
....the next morning, TL wakes to a NEW blog! This very blog!! He begins to post pictures of him and Minji...but the doubt-train shows up. Those two asian guys look suspiciously different. He said her head was under his chin, but in the picture....she's not that much shorter...is that a mannequin or a doll...he stops updating his blog altogether and doesn't post on TL when the doubt begin to bubble to the surface. Have we, the faithful supporters of our Dream Hero, been bested by a fake story? Was it all a lie? Has Xero crushed the hopes and support of his friends on TL? The world will never know.
nah, best way to experience it is by reading his blogs and his posts in them first-hand. you have to do this while keeping in mind he's making all of it up crawled in front of his home computer.
On July 03 2010 16:30 GrayArea wrote: where are the "pics" people keep talking about? I only see the pic in the OP. can someone post the controversial pics plz? thx
It's the OP picture. And another on like...page 9
He said various things that don't make sense. Like...He said that he was a foot or so taller than her. In the picture in the OP, the guy isn't nearly that much taller than the girl. Plus people thing the girl's face looks too fake to be real, people asking him for blog updates get denied...and so on.
On July 03 2010 15:37 Zidane wrote: I so called this shit. If you read his writing it's like an 8th grader trying to do a romance novel and sucking at it. What the hell does "some people like to watch the world burn" even mean.
But what is a little more sad is how many people he got to believe him. I mean, did most of you guys really buy this BS, or did you force yourselves to because you wanted to live vicariously through his blog?
Hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it?
It's just so funny to read someone that initially believed the story, and then started doubting it at the same time as everyone else did, and then when it's proven to be fake, he yells "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and then goes on a condescending rant because people believed a reputable poster who wrote a convincing (though outlandish) story.
Get over yourself.
Like he said, Zidane and I were already questioning this on page 7 of this thread.
And no ban. The guy's paralyzed. If you want to torture him, don't murder him. Now he can post but he won't because he knows what would happen. AND IF HE DOES, it'll be hilarious.
First off, you didn't "call this shit" all I see is some doubt. Doubt =l= calling it I'm pretty sure most people here had doubt, so did I but I chose to believe him because to me it was believable.
I agree with the guy who replied first, your tone is very condescending. As for me, why would I want to live vicariously through his blog when I don't even know what the girl looks like, and a girl who plays games actually turns me off... I don't go for gamer girls. Especially ones who can kick my ass in the game I play.
I don't pretend to have "called it" per say but I didn't believe it whatsoever. Every step of the way I pointed out that it seemed unlikely. When he posted that picture and everyone was congratulating him, I said "congrats provided that's you".
To you, "calling it" would be a 100% affirmation that he was lying? I wouldn't "risk" that on forums... You said that Zidane "initially believed the story" which may be true for all I care but what's for sure is this blog was obviously fictitious and I believe I got skeptical on his second blog. Whether or not I "called it" is irrelevant =P
TBH if it wasn't for the skepticism of people here, notably Djzapz but OneOther and myself included, I feel like he probably would have never posted those pics. If you go back and read his replies, you can see he obviously panics when people call forth the validity of his story and decides to post a shitty not very well thought out picture of "himself and minji." I really don't care if people thought we looked like jealous pessimistic dicks, but skepticism at times is a good thing to have and this is a perfect example.
A summary for those who missed the first few blogs.
Our resident hero, Xero, creates blog number one.
He writes about a beautiful lady at a PC bang. He was minding his own business when he spots his dream girl. 300 APM Zerg player. She smashes some noob and catches him staring, jaw dropped on the floor in amazement. She asks him what he wants, and he asks if she wants to play a game. He gets utterly destroyed. He asks in astonishment how long she has been playing Starcraft. Her reply is 8 years. As she is leaving she gives him a hinting smile and only says "Female Hong Jin Ho"
Next day. Blog number two from our nerd hero. He has spotted the angel of zerg once again! Though this time on DOTA, he stammered over to her and gave a weak, tiny "hello." She smiles up at him and greets him happily. Xero manages to give her a shaky "I'm Sean" to which she replies "I'm Minji." He orders the PC next to her and while she is playing DOTA, she is giving him tips in Starcraft. "Expand now." "Watch for Reavers." Unfortunately Xero had to leave once again, and as he was leaving, he mentioned he would see her tomorrow. She told him she would be waiting eagerly. Our hero came swooning back to his computer, eagerly updating blog two with this information. More and more of TL joined in the cheering.
Our smooth nerd came back with a day three update. He said she was not at the PC Bang. Did our hopes and dreams get stood up? No! She works next door at the cafe. She was very excited to see him at the cafe. Xero and Minji chatted for a bit. It was then he found out Minji was 22 years old, compared to his own 17 years of age. She seemed to find him even more cute! Luck is with our friend Xero these last few days. Xero had to leave, as he had a friend waiting on him to pick him up. On his way out, he became the manliest man of all TL and straight up asked for her phone number. Success! Phone number in pocket, Xero sprinted as fast as he could to pick up his friend.
Later, he receives flirty text messages from Minji...which promptly leads to another blog. She calls him cute. Wants to hang out. Xero accepts, and he leaves to take Minji to dinner. After having a good time over dinner and soju, Minji offers to take him out clubbing. Graciously accepting, Xero passes the time while she is changing to post another update on TL. He's going clubbing with her! More excitement and cheering go on, many people trying to teach him how to get his groove on and prepare for grinding and some love making. Naive as he is, he gathers up TL's helpful information and heads out with her........
....the next morning, TL wakes to a NEW blog! This very blog!! He begins to post pictures of him and Minji...but the doubt-train shows up. Those two asian guys look suspiciously different. He said her head was under his chin, but in the picture....she's not that much shorter...is that a mannequin or a doll...he stops updating his blog altogether and doesn't post on TL when the doubt begin to bubble to the surface. Have we, the faithful supporters of our Dream Hero, been bested by a fake story? Was it all a lie? Has Xero crushed the hopes and support of his friends on TL? The world will never know.
I'm not entirely sure if this is even relevant, but from his Facebook,
Sean Kim: goddamnit cali at night is fucking cold 24 June at 21:08
I live in California, and it's been cold enough to wear a scarf at night. To go clubbing? Not sure.
On July 03 2010 15:56 Torenhire wrote: Her eyes look...WEIRD. My girlfriend even said the eyes looked really strange. And no I don't mean it in any asian joking way. They just...agh it's all too fake looking.
If it's 23869262367 pounds of makeup, I will take it all back. but imo, she's fake.
She could be wearing circle lenses [they're contact lenses that make your irises look bigger], and she has a shitton of eyeliner on the bottom... I don't really believe this story, but that could explain the weird eyes? and idk if she'd be a mannequin/doll because how many dolls are made with their hip sticking out like that?
keke. I started from page 10 comment, read it to page 28. Took me ...I think it is around an hour. Now I will read from page 1 to page 10, but I think 1 - 10 is boring part. Ah, I'll read. Then I will read his previous blog. Then I'll come back and comment.
I don't expect him to write anymore, he went to heaven. There is no such thing as I went to heaven part 2. Every1 died once and only once.
On July 03 2010 16:56 XiaoJoyce- wrote: "I WENT TO HEAVENS" <--- The Irony, Huh?
Well, what a world...
keke. I started from page 10 comment, read it to page 28. Took me ...I think it is around an hour. Now I will read from page 1 to page 10, but I think 1 - 10 is boring part. Ah, I'll read. Then I will read his previous blog. Then I'll come back and comment.
I don't expect him to write anymore, he went to heaven. There is no such thing as I went to heaven part 2. Every1 died once and only once.
The first 10 pages is just compliments and stuff..its pretty boring.
On July 03 2010 16:30 GrayArea wrote: where are the "pics" people keep talking about? I only see the pic in the OP. can someone post the controversial pics plz? thx
It's the OP picture. And another on like...page 9
He said various things that don't make sense. Like...He said that he was a foot or so taller than her. In the picture in the OP, the guy isn't nearly that much taller than the girl. Plus people thing the girl's face looks too fake to be real, people asking him for blog updates get denied...and so on.
We're in "reasonable doubt" phase. lol.
Oh ok, found it haha. Thanks for the update. Lmao @ "'reasonable doubt' phase" rofl.
On July 03 2010 15:37 Zidane wrote: I so called this shit. If you read his writing it's like an 8th grader trying to do a romance novel and sucking at it. What the hell does "some people like to watch the world burn" even mean.
But what is a little more sad is how many people he got to believe him. I mean, did most of you guys really buy this BS, or did you force yourselves to because you wanted to live vicariously through his blog?
Hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it?
It's just so funny to read someone that initially believed the story, and then started doubting it at the same time as everyone else did, and then when it's proven to be fake, he yells "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and then goes on a condescending rant because people believed a reputable poster who wrote a convincing (though outlandish) story.
Get over yourself.
Like he said, Zidane and I were already questioning this on page 7 of this thread.
And no ban. The guy's paralyzed. If you want to torture him, don't murder him. Now he can post but he won't because he knows what would happen. AND IF HE DOES, it'll be hilarious.
First off, you didn't "call this shit" all I see is some doubt. Doubt =l= calling it I'm pretty sure most people here had doubt, so did I but I chose to believe him because to me it was believable.
I agree with the guy who replied first, your tone is very condescending. As for me, why would I want to live vicariously through his blog when I don't even know what the girl looks like, and a girl who plays games actually turns me off... I don't go for gamer girls. Especially ones who can kick my ass in the game I play.
I don't pretend to have "called it" per say but I didn't believe it whatsoever. Every step of the way I pointed out that it seemed unlikely. When he posted that picture and everyone was congratulating him, I said "congrats provided that's you".
To you, "calling it" would be a 100% affirmation that he was lying? I wouldn't "risk" that on forums... You said that Zidane "initially believed the story" which may be true for all I care but what's for sure is this blog was obviously fictitious and I believe I got skeptical on his second blog. Whether or not I "called it" is irrelevant =P
I'm not really that interested in debating the semantics of what constitutes "calling it." My point was that Zidane's post was full of hindsight bias, and how condescending he was was unnecessary and unjustified.
Magnitude of troll = over 9000 (you got everything right but the picture, you couldn't just take a pic of yourself with one of your korean lady friends? fail)
Nonetheless I was pretty disappointed by the outcome. I had faith in you Xero! Although the 300 APM didn't seem believable I thought that I'd see until the very end. I didn't know it would turn out like this though. T_T
On July 03 2010 17:17 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I want to ask simple question, if he didn't post the photo, every1 will believe his story and he will not be banned right?
Well yes, but eventually as the "relationship" would develop, people would ask for photos, no?
On July 03 2010 17:17 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I want to ask simple question, if he didn't post the photo, every1 will believe his story and he will not be banned right?
Yes but eventually the demand for photos would be so much, that people would stop believing if he didn't post one. Really posting the photo just made it faster.
On July 03 2010 17:17 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I want to ask simple question, if he didn't post the photo, every1 will believe his story and he will not be banned right?
Well yes, but eventually as the "relationship" would develop, people would ask for photos, no?
i wouldnt say that. IP check was the seal-deal, not the photos. although he does look nothing like that hahaha
How the mighty hero hath fallen. Well, this blog was a fun ride I'll admit. What a shame one of our own would deceive us like this. And over 4,000 posts, I didn't expect this to be a lie at all... again, what a shame
That account was created on 2008-12-16 03:20:08 and had 4667 posts.
Reason: You will never be allowed to post here again. I will be watching your account.
You fucked up. I hope it was worth it.
From: DreaM)XeRO [ 4667 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Your blog Date: 7/3/10 06:22
thank you for the warning chill i didnt know proper blog etiquette when.. uhm.. following a developing story ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Please do not open more blogs furthering this story for a few days. Either update your OP or post the update as a reply in your latest existing blog.
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story.
Thanks!
For those of you not following the Automated Ban List. So sad this was a fake, it had such potential but I guess people like deceiving others!
Edit: Anyone feeling the title of this blog should be hell instead of heaven? :D
hmmm at first I didnt think it mattered much to be a fake story cause HotBid (I think) did something similar back then with the Tl.bot (albeit a little more on the comedic side) however running through the blog i see he is obviously trolling and doesnt give it up even when theres clear evidence ehehehe.
Then again, was a ban necessary... maybe a month or something but to completely ban is harsh. Btw, first picture with the girl is super creeeeeeeeepy aha. I usually see pale chicks but wow she is super scary at least in my eyes.
On July 03 2010 17:49 pOlt wrote: ban just for this ? lol TT tl~
He led the whole community (well the people that were reading) on about his story, and he lied, Chill also gave him a stern warning so it was deserved.
On July 03 2010 17:50 OhThatDang wrote: hmmm at first I didnt think it mattered much to be a fake story cause HotBid (I think) did something similar back then with the Tl.bot (albeit a little more on the comedic side) however running through the blog i see he is obviously trolling and doesnt give it up even when theres clear evidence ehehehe.
Then again, was a ban necessary... maybe a month or something but to completely ban is harsh. Btw, first picture with the girl is super creeeeeeeeepy aha. I usually see pale chicks but wow she is super scary at least in my eyes.
i 100% believed him, because who makes this stuff up? every time i choose to trust someone on this basis (often) i end up realizing (also often) that i'm really stupid =[
On July 03 2010 17:50 OhThatDang wrote: hmmm at first I didnt think it mattered much to be a fake story cause HotBid (I think) did something similar back then with the Tl.bot (albeit a little more on the comedic side) however running through the blog i see he is obviously trolling and doesnt give it up even when theres clear evidence ehehehe.
Then again, was a ban necessary... maybe a month or something but to completely ban is harsh. Btw, first picture with the girl is super creeeeeeeeepy aha. I usually see pale chicks but wow she is super scary at least in my eyes.
It was HonesTea and the Tl.netbot
Ah yeah I forget...I meant to type honest tea denno why hotbid came out...regardless wouldn't u agree??
yeah I suspected it. but like I posted a bunch of pages back, don't care, it was a good story, I enjoyed reading it. props to xero for making it that enthralling/convincing, though tbh it's not hard to draw in a bunch of nerds like us with a scenario like that ^^ and I hope that anyone who got emotionally invested gets over it soon and can move on.
LOL.. i go out for the day and come back to see a blog with 600 replies and i'm like "wtf?"
i never would have imagined such a high post count user would make such a lie in an un-comedic way... which only means he wanted to make himself look good
On July 03 2010 19:14 prototype. wrote: LOL.. i go out for the day and come back to see a blog with 600 replies and i'm like "wtf?"
i never would have imagined such a high post count user would make such a lie in an un-comedic way... which only means he wanted to make himself look good
But I think a perm ban is too harsh. Ok he made up a story and fooled some people, np. But if you believe something like this:
I was .. shocked ahaha the club entrance was shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaady as hell. like. back alleyway with a single flourescent light hanging above it.
She knocked and some middle aged korean man opened the door, looked at both of us. Minji paid the entrance fee and he ushered us in. Inside.. was amazing. Pale blue walls, with strobe lights in the front. The whole place was huge, and filled with korean people. Minji took off her coat and got a seat, she ordered two drinks and went to the bathroom. (...) Minji came back, she inhaled her drink and lead me to the dance floor. We started.. dancing or grinding i guess. (...) She just nodded and started pulling me towards our table. She pushed me onto the table and started.. uhmm... chair grinding? i dont know the word but.. it was O_____O
There is something wrong with you. Seriously. If he gets a ban for being a chicken and not admitting that he made it up, ok. But perm ban for making up a story like that, COME NOW
On July 03 2010 18:03 intrigue wrote: i 100% believed him, because who makes this stuff up? every time i choose to trust someone on this basis (often) i end up realizing (also often) that i'm really stupid =[
Yeah pretty much this, I didn't really think about the 300 apm because I assumed he was exaggerating that part. I mean how could he have expected to continue telling his "story" without getting caught like he did?
I just backread all of his blogs after spotting chills ban in the banlist and...wow. To go to so much effort over something partially/totally fraudulent for a little attention is just...wow. I dont understand why people have such an urge to feel popular and justified that they'd make shit like that up. Still the detective work gives me even more faith in the great TL. Go chill!
I still don't think he should be perm banned, but that's not my call. I really just wanted back story as to why he chose this lie and what made him think to play it out like this. My lies on the internet are always insignificant so as to never upset a huge number of people. You should try that next time, Xero
So sad this was fake, i guess you should never trust anyone on the internet
On July 03 2010 09:09 Chill wrote: This reminds me of when someone posted that they decided to man up and ask a girl out and it worked. I was so happy. Then it was fucking tdot. Fuck my life.
Haha, tdot was probably XeRo's inspiration to do this.
that was an epic story. I was rooting for the hero!! The detail was pretty amazing. Pretending to be fob, not knowing what lapdance is. Taking is slow, slowly drawing people in. Passing out on the bed...brilliant. Aside from the IP, it was very detailed. What's the big deal? It's all fun and games. No need to perm ban.
On July 04 2010 00:01 TunaFishyMe wrote: that was an epic story. I was rooting for the hero!! The detail was pretty amazing. Pretending to be fob, not knowing what lapdance is. Taking is slow, slowly drawing people in. Passing out on the bed...brilliant. Aside from the IP, it was very detailed. What's the big deal? It's all fun and games. No need to perm ban.
If he was pretending to be a fob, he did a pretty poor job, considering his korean was absolutely atrocious, and he seemed to be clueless about korean culture.
Honestly, my approach to these kinds of situation is that "Good for them if it's true", "lol if it's fake".
Honestly? He lied, got caught, and now will pretend to be a troll. I honestly doubt he planned this. It's more likely that some parts were true (but exaggerated), but he got rejected, decided to post random shit anyway to make himself look good, and then when he got caught, he could pretend that he planned it all along as an elaborate troll.
good for those who spotted this as fake right away, i was just willing to accept stupid little details because the whole premise of the plot was totally believable
guy meets girl -> they go on date
makes me wonder how this actually evolved past a normal girl blog to the point where people cared enough to check if it was fake or not. maybe the starcraft aspect of it
IMO, I don't think he should've been banned at all. It was a sweet troll, and it's not like he was a random person like me with like 5 posts :p. 4k+ posts, that's pretty harsh for a perma ban.
On July 04 2010 02:26 Mingeek wrote: IMO, I don't think he should've been banned at all. It was a sweet troll, and it's not like he was a random person like me with like 5 posts :p. 4k+ posts, that's pretty harsh for a perma ban.
That means he knew better and did it anyway. Everyone who reads the commandments like they are suposed to should know that
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story.
Chill sent the PM sometime around 6 yesterday. At 6:22 Xero says "Thanks for the warning." blah blah. The last line in Chills warning is key. If it's fake, admit it. Xero makes many posts after 6:22 on July 03 leading us on some more. Whether the permaban is harsh or not, he was warned about it.
If someone says "Dont do this, or permaban" it doesn't matter how ridiculous the permaban is. You got the warning, don't do it.
On July 04 2010 02:11 anderoo wrote: good for those who spotted this as fake right away, i was just willing to accept stupid little details because the whole premise of the plot was totally believable
guy meets girl -> they go on date
makes me wonder how this actually evolved past a normal girl blog to the point where people cared enough to check if it was fake or not. maybe the starcraft aspect of it
It was the fact that she played Starcraft and was supposedly much better than a TL reg that made people care.
I think what's funnier than this prank is that anyone thinks the girl is a mannequin... makeup, eyeliner, plus the blurring effect from the shaky camera is what makes her face "smooth", and her eyes "big". lol wow
On July 04 2010 03:41 eddoo wrote: I think what's funnier than this prank is that anyone thinks the girl is a mannequin... makeup, eyeliner, plus the blurring effect from the shaky camera is what makes her face "smooth", and her eyes "big". lol wow
Exactly. My most poignant thought in this whole blog series was thinking, "Do these people seriously believe the girl in that picture is a mannequin? How do they go from 'She looks weird/creepy/like a doll' to 'She most definitely is a doll'?" This whole event demonstrated healthy skepticism on one side, and then wild, incomprehensible gullibility on the other.
On July 04 2010 02:26 Mingeek wrote: IMO, I don't think he should've been banned at all. It was a sweet troll, and it's not like he was a random person like me with like 5 posts :p. 4k+ posts, that's pretty harsh for a perma ban.
He was a random person with 4k+ posts. :p
I just know him as the guy who had to be warned and temp banned several times for spamming contentless posts.
On July 04 2010 02:26 Mingeek wrote: IMO, I don't think he should've been banned at all. It was a sweet troll, and it's not like he was a random person like me with like 5 posts :p. 4k+ posts, that's pretty harsh for a perma ban.
He was a random person with 4k+ posts. :p
I just know him as the guy who had to be warned and temp banned several times for spamming contentless posts.
On July 04 2010 03:41 eddoo wrote: I think what's funnier than this prank is that anyone thinks the girl is a mannequin... makeup, eyeliner, plus the blurring effect from the shaky camera is what makes her face "smooth", and her eyes "big". lol wow
Exactly. My most poignant thought in this whole blog series was thinking, "Do these people seriously believe the girl in that picture is a mannequin? How do they go from 'She looks weird/creepy/like a doll' to 'She most definitely is a doll'?" This whole event demonstrated healthy skepticism on one side, and then wild, incomprehensible gullibility on the other.
I think the reason people are on the "definitely a doll" train is because there was a few people (myself included) that said it might have been. I still think she looks like a doll...maybe makeup insanity, or bad camera...but she still looks like a doll to me.
Combine that with the lack of (at the time) Xero's post explaining himself or whatever...it's an easy bandwagon to jump on.
On July 04 2010 02:26 Mingeek wrote: IMO, I don't think he should've been banned at all. It was a sweet troll, and it's not like he was a random person like me with like 5 posts :p. 4k+ posts, that's pretty harsh for a perma ban.
He was a random person with 4k+ posts. :p
I just know him as the guy who had to be warned and temp banned several times for spamming contentless posts.
yeah, this. he was a horrible poster lol
He seemed like a big bisu fanboy as well... dont know what to make of it tbh
On July 04 2010 07:27 Pika Chu wrote: Can someone make a short resume about what happened here? Or why was that teenage guy banned? 30 pages are way too much for me.
On July 04 2010 07:27 Pika Chu wrote: Can someone make a short resume about what happened here? Or why was that teenage guy banned? 30 pages are way too much for me.
That's what you get for believing in other people. Only make exceptions for that special someone, or for your battle buddy who has saved your life (or your avatar's) innumerable times! I really do feel for you all, though. I just now arrived and read the summary on page 28, I can totally see how you wanted to believe in this guy and wish him well and see him succeed at something SO AMAZING for your vicarious joy--don't be ashamed. That's part of being human. But man. What a let-down :|
On July 03 2010 08:55 Floydian wrote: Would be a shame if this kid got banned. No lasting damage has been done here. I myself found the blogs fairly entertaining.
It is amazing how common these types of shenanigans are on the internet though. The whole 'pics or it didn't happen' thing may be an overused meme, but it does have its place.
Edit - unfortunately for this guy, the providing of said pics seems to have been his undoing!
Bullshit. I don't want to be part of a community where we can't trust what people write.
I went searching for this thread after skimming through banned users. When someone with over 4,000 posts gets permabanned, you know there's a good reason.
On July 04 2010 08:53 Malgrif wrote: ironically, that's exactly the type of community that we are or else we would have never caught on to his shenanigans.
I disagree with this, we believed him and supported him up until the very point where it was painfully obvious that he wasn't telling the truth.
On July 04 2010 09:05 Nal_rAwr wrote: wow a perma ban on 4667 posts thats pretty harsh haha
Enough of this "harsh" stuff. This guy was a shit poster who already had 3 temp bans and three warnings in the past year. He has always been an idiot, and to be honest I think that we should hand out perm bans to 4k+ post idiots much more frequently. It seems as though if someone slips under the radar for a few months and live reports himself up a ways, then they can do anything they want. Well, that isn't the case.
On July 04 2010 08:53 Malgrif wrote: ironically, that's exactly the type of community that we are or else we would have never caught on to his shenanigans.
Actually, there wasn't much suspicion until he himself posted the contradicting pictures.
He tried the high-heels excuse for his "She comes up to under my chin" description. And someone was like... "those are some crazy heels."
It all went downhill from there. So for all you aspirants, don't use the heels excuse!! Find a better fake picture. Oh and tell the truth when the mods tell you to. That's a good idea too.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
There were some details that seemed suspicious from the start (gorgeous 300 APM girl at a LAN cafe?), but what gave it away for me was when he said he was posting from her laptop. I don't know about you guys, but if I was 17 and on a date, updating my blog on the internet would be the last thing going through my mind.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
I follow (and agree with) the arguments for banning OP (was warned, bad poster ect), but cant help letting my mind wonder off. Many good stories exist in the blurryness between fiction and reality, among other things because that makes a story believable. I couldnt help thinking of Day9s jacking-off-in-airplane story, which he claims to be true, but no one will probably really know, which again just makes it that much more exciting. Iirc OP didnt ask for advice or made any setup for debate, which obviously would be a no go in story telling, and if he hadn't been caught, it wouldnt really have hurt anyone, as others are saying.
Oh well, just my 2 cents here at 2.30 am, guess this thread cant really be more derailed .
PMing Kennigit regarding Chill's bans will result in an immediate IP ban of Chill, Banned User, and Anyone who quoted/mentioned the comment (except me).
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
Have you even read the rules?
have you? o.O
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has this thread seriously derailed into people discussing TL rules, urgggg. Why is anyone calling Chill's ban unfair, or unjust, the guy was warned, and chill even said in this thread previous to the ban why it would happen and the reasons for it. FFS people.
If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban might be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, 1500+ reply emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not admitting to it when pushed, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
On July 04 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote: If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban would be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not fess up when given a chance, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore.
On July 04 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote: If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban would be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not fess up when given a chance, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore.
Create a new account and keep posting here?
They are tracking him though, he will get banned pretty fast if he does.
On July 04 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote: If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban would be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not fess up when given a chance, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore.
Create a new account and keep posting here?
They are tracking him though, he will get banned pretty fast if he does.
There is always ways around that..I wouldn't be surprised if he is already in our midst D:.
On July 04 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote: If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban would be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not fess up when given a chance, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore.
Create a new account and keep posting here?
They are tracking him though, he will get banned pretty fast if he does.
There is always ways around that..I wouldn't be surprised if he is already in our midst D:.
There are ways, but is it really worth the effort? look at chibi, tdot, or the like. They all get caught sooner or later, you make a slip up, post from an IP that links to your original account, etc....
On July 04 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote: If this was all some sort of funny or ridiculous fabrication I think a ban would be too harsh. But doing some insanely normal meeting a girl and going out with her, emo blog about the whole process and not fessing up when given a chance is just ridiculous. To fabricate something like this, and not fess up when given a chance, you would need to have a severe psychological disorder, I would actually be worried about him and what he might do not being able to post here anymore.
Create a new account and keep posting here?
They are tracking him though, he will get banned pretty fast if he does.
There is always ways around that..I wouldn't be surprised if he is already in our midst D:.
If Chill's good, proxies or even posting in a new location won't be enough.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a permaban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douchebag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so.
I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douchebags for the sake of being douchebags is both arrogant and abusive.
Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Please read baller's wonderful explanation of the situation at hand. I feel like you will understand.
Also, I've taken the liberty of making your post a little more readable. Enjoy!~
(In all seriousness, Xero was told explicitly by Chill that if his story was fake and he kept going on like it was real he would receive a permanent ban.)
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a permaban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douchebag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so.
I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douchebags for the sake of being douchebags is both arrogant and abusive.
Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Please read baller's wonderful explanation of the situation at hand. I feel like you will understand.
Also, I've taken the liberty of making your post a little more readable. Enjoy!~
(In all seriousness, Xero was told explicitly by Chill that if his story was fake and he kept going on like it was real he would receive a permanent ban.)
i'm arguing that his punishment is too harsh not that he doesn't deserve a punishment /facepalm
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations)
There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here.
The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that.
i guess i could've seen this coming, story sounds too perfect and i doubt anyone would brag about such things on TL like almost daily. well now that its over i have to say its been a short and fun ride, now enjoy your stay in disneyland lol.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations)
There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here.
The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that.
pulling a mass deception like this where many people were invested justifies a ban in my opinion. he elaborately fabricated a story over a course of five blogs and threw away the community's trust for fifteen minutes of fame on the internet. after all, the teamliquid community wouldn't be what it is if members had no trust for others. i see it as a bigger deal than what you are saying. yeah, he has some serious self-esteem issues and what he did is borderline retarded and funny. chill even warned him that he would be banned if this ended being a big fat lie. what does he do? come up with an even more detailed bullshit story the day after, this time even incorporating fake photos. furthermore, his horrible posting history doesn't help his case at all. someone with nearly 5,000 posts should act with some respect and dignity.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations)
There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here.
The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that.
pulling a mass deception like this where many people were invested justifies a ban in my opinion. he elaborately fabricated a story over a course of five blogs and threw away the community's trust for fifteen minutes of fame on the internet. after all, the teamliquid community wouldn't be what it is if members had no trust for others. i see it as a bigger deal than what you are saying. yeah, he has some serious self-esteem issues and what he did is borderline retarded and funny. chill even warned him that he would be banned if this ended being a big fat lie. what does he do? come up with an even more detailed bullshit story the day after, this time even incorporating fake photos. furthermore, his horrible posting history doesn't help his case at all. someone with nearly 5,000 posts should act with some respect and dignity.
yeah thanks, im smart enough to analyze what happened
not gonna get into it with you if thats what you want though
Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
Honestly man, you're going to push too far and get eventually end up banned (no this is not an underlying criticism of TL's regulations)
There are other people like you who think that the ban isn't justified (for instance, me) but there's nothing you can do. You're not going to change their opinions, you're not going to serve as a means to an epiphany to TL staff, there simply is no ends to justify the means here.
The kid is just a sociopath, and maybe he needs more attention. In the end, I don't think he should've been perma banned, and I think he needs some self-esteem verification, along with genuine compassion. This blog reaches for just that.
pulling a mass deception like this where many people were invested justifies a ban in my opinion. he elaborately fabricated a story over a course of five blogs and threw away the community's trust for fifteen minutes of fame on the internet. after all, the teamliquid community wouldn't be what it is if members had no trust for others. i see it as a bigger deal than what you are saying. yeah, he has some serious self-esteem issues and what he did is borderline retarded and funny. chill even warned him that he would be banned if this ended being a big fat lie. what does he do? come up with an even more detailed bullshit story the day after, this time even incorporating fake photos. furthermore, his horrible posting history doesn't help his case at all. someone with nearly 5,000 posts should act with some respect and dignity.
yeah thanks, im smart enough to analyze what happened
not gonna get into it with you if thats what you want though
uh, no need to get all defensive for no reason. im glad you are smart enough though. i don't want anything from you and i wasn't even addressing you specifically. you didn't even have a real point other than that you feel bad for him but nothing can be changed. so there's not much to talk about there. i was just voicing my opinion on his ban.
On July 04 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote: Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for.
it appears to me that he made an honest mistake, and got shot in the face for it. >_> it might sit well for you, but i don't like it.
On July 04 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote: Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for.
it appears to me that he made an honest mistake, and got shot in the face for it. >_> it might sit well for you, but i don't like it.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
You are actually arguing that we should allow douchebags that we know are douchebags because why? They have a right to post here? Fuck that. This isn't a courthouse.
He had a chance to argue the stance when we were talking via PM, and he accepted the consequences I laid out, so your argument falls flat.
On July 04 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote: Dude Malgrif, just leave it alone. He did something stupid and ignored warnings and thus deserved the ban hammer. As Chill said earlier, we don't want a community where we can't believe each other, that's what 4Chan is for.
it appears to me that he made an honest mistake, and got shot in the face for it. >_> it might sit well for you, but i don't like it.
He knew beforehand that he would get banned for posting this fake story. Chill explicitly told xero that he'd ban him if the story was a lie and to just come clean at that moment if it was. The fact is he kept feeding everyone his bullshit even after he knew the consequences. That's hardly an "honest" mistake, and if he got shot in the face for it, he pulled the trigger.
I am pretty confused here by the people defending Xero, I mean do you actually want to waste your time reading a post(several) only to find out he is just leading people on to be a dick? Not that it really matters cause if they want to ban him for being a douche there isn't a thing you can do to stop them and that is what is great about TL.net. No bullshit attitude, you don't waste your time with a bunch of retarded posts, rules are great but common sense rules all. He should have used it long ago when he started posting this garbage.
On July 04 2010 12:05 SLTorak.Hobo wrote: I am pretty confused here by the people defending Xero, I mean do you actually want to waste your time reading a post(several) only to find out he is just leading people on to be a dick? Not that it really matters cause if they want to ban him for being a douche there isn't a thing you can do to stop them and that is what is great about TL.net. No bullshit attitude, you don't waste your time with a bunch of retarded posts, rules are great but common sense rules all. He should have used it long ago when he started posting this garbage.
I can perfectly understand why people would defend "freedom of speech" on forums. Been there, done that.
Those people just don't realize that if someone shits on your carpet you're allowed to kick them out of your house.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
You are actually arguing that we should allow douchebags that we know are douchebags because why? They have a right to post here? Fuck that. This isn't a courthouse.
He had a chance to argue the stance when we were talking via PM, and he accepted the consequences I laid out, so your argument falls flat.
we don't know if he was a douche bag, as far as i've seen he wasn't given a chance to defend himself at all. the warning you laid said that if the story turns out to be false he would be baned, you gave him no opportunity to defend himself. if he admitted to his actions he would have been baned on the spot. meaning that he was forced to continue being a douche bag if he wanted to save his account with 5k posts. there was no chance of redemption or discussion at all. =\ sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
Please do not open more blogs furthering this story for a few days. Either update your OP or post the update as a reply in your latest existing blog.
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story.
Thanks!
I don't think i'm going to sway you to rethink your punishment, but I hope you at least have a proper discussion the next time you warn a person of a potential perma ban. they should at least deserve that.
On July 04 2010 12:19 Malgrif wrote: sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
saying Xero's blog and story is an "honest mistake" is like saying the Arusha National park which covers the prominent 4500+ M elevated volcano Meru in northeastern Tanzania isn't split into three distinct areas -- the western river funnels, the southeast crater rim, and the shallow alkaline lake.
On July 04 2010 12:19 Malgrif wrote: sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
saying Xero's blog and story is an "honest mistake" is like saying the Arusha National park which covers the prominent 4500+ M elevated volcano Meru in northeastern Tanzania isn't split into three distinct areas -- the western river funnels, the southeast crater rim, and the shallow alkaline lake.
On July 04 2010 12:19 Malgrif wrote: sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
saying Xero's blog and story is an "honest mistake" is like saying the Arusha National park which covers the prominent 4500+ M elevated volcano Meru in northeastern Tanzania isn't split into three distinct areas -- the western river funnels, the southeast crater rim, and the shallow alkaline lake.
there's no rule in posting something to gain attention. so someone posted a bullshit story to make himself feel better, and a mod then threatens him that he'll be baned if he's lying. lol great now he's got himself into a situation that previously the consequences were unclear. he didn't know what he was getting himself into, which in my opinion constitutes as an honest mistake.
On July 04 2010 12:19 Malgrif wrote: sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
saying Xero's blog and story is an "honest mistake" is like saying the Arusha National park which covers the prominent 4500+ M elevated volcano Meru in northeastern Tanzania isn't split into three distinct areas -- the western river funnels, the southeast crater rim, and the shallow alkaline lake.
there's no rule in posting something to gain attention. so someone posted a bullshit story to make himself feel better, and a mod then threatens him that he'll be baned if he's lying. lol great now he's got himself into a situation that previously the consequences were unclear. he didn't know what he was getting himself into, which in my opinion constitutes as an honest mistake.
So you're allowed to pull of any kind of douchebaggery as long as it's not explicitly stated anywhere that you shouldn't do this exact thing? That's ridiculous.
Malgrif, I highly doubt he would've gotten a permban if he came clean right then and there that he was lying; probably a temp ban, but I have yet to see any undeserving permbans recently. And you keep mentioning about him being backed into corners and honest mistakes and what not, but posting a "bullshit story to make himself feel better" and continuing to lie to a whole community is just extremely selfish and deceitful. At that point, he knew what he was getting himself into and continued on with it.
On July 04 2010 12:19 Malgrif wrote: sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
saying Xero's blog and story is an "honest mistake" is like saying the Arusha National park which covers the prominent 4500+ M elevated volcano Meru in northeastern Tanzania isn't split into three distinct areas -- the western river funnels, the southeast crater rim, and the shallow alkaline lake.
there's no rule in posting something to gain attention. so someone posted a bullshit story to make himself feel better, and a mod then threatens him that he'll be baned if he's lying. lol great now he's got himself into a situation that previously the consequences were unclear. he didn't know what he was getting himself into, which in my opinion constitutes as an honest mistake.
So you're allowed to pull of any kind of douchebaggery as long as it's not explicitly stated anywhere that you shouldn't do this exact thing? That's ridiculous.
trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time. for the record i never said he was to go unpunished >_>...
On July 04 2010 12:47 djcube wrote: Malgrif, I highly doubt he would've gotten a permban if he came clean right then and there that he was lying; probably a temp ban, but I have yet to see any undeserving permbans recently. And you keep mentioning about him being backed into corners and honest mistakes and what not, but posting a "bullshit story to make himself feel better" and continuing to lie to a whole community is just extremely selfish and deceitful. At that point, he knew what he was getting himself into and continued on with it.
good speculation, but from the facts, it says otherwise.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
You are actually arguing that we should allow douchebags that we know are douchebags because why? They have a right to post here? Fuck that. This isn't a courthouse.
He had a chance to argue the stance when we were talking via PM, and he accepted the consequences I laid out, so your argument falls flat.
we don't know if he was a douche bag, as far as i've seen he wasn't given a chance to defend himself at all. the warning you laid said that if the story turns out to be false he would be baned, you gave him no opportunity to defend himself. if he admitted to his actions he would have been baned on the spot. meaning that he was forced to continue being a douche bag if he wanted to save his account with 5k posts. there was no chance of redemption or discussion at all. =\ sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
Please do not open more blogs furthering this story for a few days. Either update your OP or post the update as a reply in your latest existing blog.
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story.
Thanks!
I don't think i'm going to sway you to rethink your punishment, but I hope you at least have a proper discussion the next time you warn a person of a potential perma ban. they should at least deserve that.
We're not even talking on the same level anymore so let's agree we disagree on moderation.
On July 04 2010 12:19 Malgrif wrote: sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
saying Xero's blog and story is an "honest mistake" is like saying the Arusha National park which covers the prominent 4500+ M elevated volcano Meru in northeastern Tanzania isn't split into three distinct areas -- the western river funnels, the southeast crater rim, and the shallow alkaline lake.
there's no rule in posting something to gain attention. so someone posted a bullshit story to make himself feel better, and a mod then threatens him that he'll be baned if he's lying. lol great now he's got himself into a situation that previously the consequences were unclear. he didn't know what he was getting himself into, which in my opinion constitutes as an honest mistake.
So you're allowed to pull of any kind of douchebaggery as long as it's not explicitly stated anywhere that you shouldn't do this exact thing? That's ridiculous.
trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time. for the record i never said he was to go unpunished >_>...
If that isn't being a douchebag, then what is? To me that is textbook douchebaggery.
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
Why is this still open -.-, spent like 10-20 minutes trying to figure out what happened and in short some guy lied (he didn't even get poonany) about a story [him and some chic etc..] for 3 days. Got banned, and that was that.
What would I do without the CTRL+F and "View All Posts" feature
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
You are actually arguing that we should allow douchebags that we know are douchebags because why? They have a right to post here? Fuck that. This isn't a courthouse.
He had a chance to argue the stance when we were talking via PM, and he accepted the consequences I laid out, so your argument falls flat.
we don't know if he was a douche bag, as far as i've seen he wasn't given a chance to defend himself at all. the warning you laid said that if the story turns out to be false he would be baned, you gave him no opportunity to defend himself. if he admitted to his actions he would have been baned on the spot. meaning that he was forced to continue being a douche bag if he wanted to save his account with 5k posts. there was no chance of redemption or discussion at all. =\ sure, you can argue he doesn't have a right to post since it's a private forum, but how do you justify to yourself that it's alright to be so ruthless to people who make honest mistakes.(my point of no explicit rule, meaning no known punishment)The more i read your warning the more it seems that he was forced into a corner with no way out.
Please do not open more blogs furthering this story for a few days. Either update your OP or post the update as a reply in your latest existing blog.
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story.
Thanks!
I don't think i'm going to sway you to rethink your punishment, but I hope you at least have a proper discussion the next time you warn a person of a potential perma ban. they should at least deserve that.
We're not even talking on the same level anymore so let's agree we disagree on moderation.
it doesn't appear as I have any other choice, so lets end it for now. =)
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
On the off chance that you aren't just arguing for the sake of arguing, there is a long convention on teamliquid for banning people that tell made up bullshit stories. So while it may not be explicitly stated in the rules in the manner that you would like, it is a social norm that has been reinforced for years.
Because you are (maybe) new to TL means that you are not aware of these social norms. It also means that maybe it isn't your place to argue this ban until you learn how TL society works.
And banning people for being a douchebag is not arrogant. Don't be a douchebag.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
this is really dumb, sorry, but i care whether there's beer at a party a bit more than whether someone i don't know is telling the truth about a story. i'd imagine most people feel the same.
think of it this way, people who went to the party expected there to be beer, people on the internet don't log on and think "oh boy everything i read is going to be true!"
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie.
"From the facts we know otherwise?" Yeah, that's because he CONTINUED on with his crap-story that Chill banned him on the spot. A mod told him to quit bullshitting and he didn't. End of story.
But man you sure are naive. People must lie to you straight through their teeth and you don't bat an eye. I really need to stop posting now b/c I've actually gotten irate by arguing with a brick wall.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
this is really dumb, sorry, but i care whether there's beer at a party a bit more than whether someone i don't know is telling the truth about a story. i'd imagine most people feel the same.
think of it this way, people who went to the party expected there to be beer, people on the internet don't log on and think "oh boy everything i read is going to be true!"
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
On the off chance that you aren't just arguing for the sake of arguing, there is a long convention on teamliquid for banning people that tell made up bullshit stories. So while it may not be explicitly stated in the rules in the manner that you would like, it is a social norm that has been reinforced for years.
Because you are (maybe) new to TL means that you are not aware of these social norms. It also means that maybe it isn't your place to argue this ban until you learn how TL society works.
And banning people for being a douchebag is not arrogant. Don't be a douchebag.
I'll patiently observe it's consistency. and I agree if they themselves believe they are douche bags then the ban is warranted, but if not then it should be debatable.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
this is really dumb, sorry, but i care whether there's beer at a party a bit more than whether someone i don't know is telling the truth about a story. i'd imagine most people feel the same.
so what ur saying is, u'd rather surround urself with liars? has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? please.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
On the off chance that you aren't just arguing for the sake of arguing, there is a long convention on teamliquid for banning people that tell made up bullshit stories. So while it may not be explicitly stated in the rules in the manner that you would like, it is a social norm that has been reinforced for years.
Because you are (maybe) new to TL means that you are not aware of these social norms. It also means that maybe it isn't your place to argue this ban until you learn how TL society works.
And banning people for being a douchebag is not arrogant. Don't be a douchebag.
I'll patiently observe it's consistency. and I agree if they themselves believe they are douche bags then the ban is warranted, but if not then it should be debatable.
Here is some background reading for you while you wait.
Much of this community is based upon real friendships, it cannot survive otherwise. It is too old. The mods at TL are not simply staff at a website, but are friends who share real feelings and spend time together. The people in clans like .smi are not together only because of a common game, they game together because they form a bond that could exist outside the game. Even this forum, which has many members no longer interested in the game of BW, still hangs together because people form a bond. When one person actively creates those bonds using lies, people get hurt. Be true to yourself online, and if you meet somebody who seems too good to be true, take it with a grain of salt.
Observing before arguing is a position that you may want to try in the future.
On July 04 2010 13:01 djcube wrote: "From the facts we know otherwise?" Yeah, that's because he CONTINUED on with his crap-story that Chill banned him on the spot. A mod told him to quit bullshitting and he didn't. End of story.
But man you sure are naive. People must lie to you straight through their teeth and you don't bat an eye. I really need to stop posting now b/c I've actually gotten irate by arguing with a brick wall.
you aren't aware of the facts i see, a mod told him if he's lying he's baned. not to quit bullshitting or he'll get baned. please don't call me a brick wall when you don't even have the slightest idea of what i'm arguing.
a ban is justifiable, that was a cruel thing to do against your gamerbros. that beeing said, i believe that he didnt want to hurt any feelings, just share a dream he dreams too often. but a permban over some interesting avant garde emotional trolling - i disagree wholeheartedly. it seems like there is way too much ego involved. we all dream, especially xero.. falling feels like flying, until you hit the ground.
the party analogy is ok, but perm ban is like socially killing him, because everybody is always at steve liquid's party... even though we have a strong community, it is still the internet. normally i would not care, but tl is a special place, and special places can be a good thing - if the rulers dont let it go their heads... i also found the foucalt ban disturbing. he is a sociologist, and its a good thing we have people trying to understand and criticize the way we humans treat eachother...
i've always respected chill, but lately i feel he has been unreasonable. did focault make him feel guilty? did xero made him feel sad? imho giving basic animalistic instincts much power in decisions should be avoided.
On July 04 2010 13:01 djcube wrote: "From the facts we know otherwise?" Yeah, that's because he CONTINUED on with his crap-story that Chill banned him on the spot. A mod told him to quit bullshitting and he didn't. End of story.
But man you sure are naive. People must lie to you straight through their teeth and you don't bat an eye. I really need to stop posting now b/c I've actually gotten irate by arguing with a brick wall.
you aren't aware of the facts i see, a mod told him if he's lying he's baned. not to quit bullshitting or he'll get baned. please don't call me a brick wall when you don't even have the slightest idea of what i'm arguing.
So you honestly think it was a good idea that he continued adding on to a string of lies well after a mod told him he'd be banned if the story was false? The moment Chill told him he'd be banned if the story was a lie, he was well aware of the consequences, yet he still continued.
I'm not trying to play the mod here nor do I want to, but I don't see how direct disregard/disobedience to a mod doesn't qualify as a bannable offense.
he was banned no matter what if he was lying under any circumstances
there isn't really anything to question.
if you haven't read the zia story, read it. if you read the zia story, shame on you for still thinking otherwise. i don't want to be part of a forum of liars.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
There is no absolute ruleset as you imply here, so there was nothing to bend. Common sense supersedes all guidelines that we have laid out. Would you be happy with someone who lied to you for 3 days? Just act here like you're among friends.
There are no explicit rules against starting websites to steal credit card numbers either. There are no explicit rules against posting as a hot girl and then releasing all the PMs you get. There are no explicit rules against a lot of things, but clearly you can see how they aren't conducive to a strong community.
My logic is very clearly laid out; Don't call it absurd simply because you following another line of subjective reasoning.
I understand why you and most of the community would be upset over his actions, but with all due respect, your reasoning is exactly why a perma ban is too harsh. I think you would agree with me if I suggest that common sense from our perspective says that he was a douche bag for what he did and this would mean that he deserves some sort of punishment. However, it was apparent from his actions that his common sense was telling him to defend his story and that he wasn't breaking any explicit rules on the website by doing so. I agree that he should have taken your pm more seriously, but again from his response it appears as if he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue at hand. If he is sorry for his actions and understands why what he did was wrong from our perspective after he was caught, it would stand to reason to give him another chance and a lighter punishment, as no one knew what the consequences of his previous actions would be(since there were no explicit rules against this). this would be more justified then blindly banning someone from only one point of view. Banning people because we believe that they're being douche bags for the sake of being douche bags is both arrogant and abusive. Of course the first rule states that you can ban people however you see fit, but I believe that not allowing them to argue their stance is even less conducive to a strong community than breaking a rule based solely on a moderators judgement.
On the off chance that you aren't just arguing for the sake of arguing, there is a long convention on teamliquid for banning people that tell made up bullshit stories. So while it may not be explicitly stated in the rules in the manner that you would like, it is a social norm that has been reinforced for years.
Because you are (maybe) new to TL means that you are not aware of these social norms. It also means that maybe it isn't your place to argue this ban until you learn how TL society works.
And banning people for being a douchebag is not arrogant. Don't be a douchebag.
I'll patiently observe it's consistency. and I agree if they themselves believe they are douche bags then the ban is warranted, but if not then it should be debatable.
Here is some background reading for you while you wait.
Much of this community is based upon real friendships, it cannot survive otherwise. It is too old. The mods at TL are not simply staff at a website, but are friends who share real feelings and spend time together. The people in clans like .smi are not together only because of a common game, they game together because they form a bond that could exist outside the game. Even this forum, which has many members no longer interested in the game of BW, still hangs together because people form a bond. When one person actively creates those bonds using lies, people get hurt. Be true to yourself online, and if you meet somebody who seems too good to be true, take it with a grain of salt.
Observing before arguing is a position that you may want to try in the future.
I understand the point you're trying to make, and I will refrain from being too critical in any sequential posts regarding the unwritten rules of tl. I also agree with what you have written, but I don't believe that what xero did is even close to the same magnitude as this zia character. you even wrote + Show Spoiler +
Had IcedEarth been only at TL, it may have been let go.
I'll stand corrected if i'm interpreting this wrong, but it appears to me that there was a time where tl was more lenient to these sorts of liars. so it still seems to me that the type of punishment handed out in this situation seems to be ill placed. but i don't wish to be argumentative and can understand that liars can be a major nuisance.
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie.
you and i have different standards i suppose. i've never been able to get along with someone after finding out they were dishonest to me to the degree op was(and elaborating for days on it, thats O.o). you can argue everyone is dishonest in their own way, but not everyone creates intricate fabrications at the expense of others. that is not a common trait among all humans.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
this is really dumb, sorry, but i care whether there's beer at a party a bit more than whether someone i don't know is telling the truth about a story. i'd imagine most people feel the same.
so what ur saying is, u'd rather surround urself with liars? has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? please.
the ban is acceptable because of the scale, if he had just said, hey i got laid last night, lol jk no i didn't, then there wouldn't have been a ban.
"i will bring beer to a party" is a worse lie than "i just got laid" by the way, dunno why you can't tell the difference.
On July 04 2010 13:32 Elegy wrote: He isn't banned because he told a bullshit story insomuch as he deliberately disregarded Chill's warning, which is never a wise thing to do ^^
I don't see how this is comparable. If a real-life friend who was supposedly female and handicapped turned out to be neither, I would no longer be friends with them. Has anyone really disowned a friend because they lied about getting some?
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie.
you and i have different standards i suppose. i've never been able to get along with someone after finding out they were dishonest to me to the degree op was(and elaborating for days on it, thats O.o). you can argue everyone is dishonest in their own way, but not everyone creates intricate fabrications at the expense of others. that is not a common trait among all humans.
i disagree, people make up wild stories that don't happen all the time. if the story isn't completely made up it might be greatly exaggerated, which is a common trait among humans.
I don't see how this is comparable. If a real-life friend who was supposedly female and handicapped turned out to be neither, I would no longer be friends with them. Has anyone really disowned a friend because they lied about getting some?
I get what you're saying, but that's not the really the right context in this case. It seems like a lot of people were "emotionally involved" and rooting for this guy; it wasn't a simple matter of just telling your friend, "hey, I got laid,"
I don't see how this is comparable. If a real-life friend who was supposedly female and handicapped turned out to be neither, I would no longer be friends with them. Has anyone really disowned a friend because they lied about getting some?
I get what you're saying, but that's not the really the right context in this case. It seems like a lot of people were "emotionally involved" and rooting for this guy; it wasn't a simple matter of just telling your friend, "hey, I got laid,"
Right, and that's why banning him was the right decision, it's malicious to try to get the community emotionally involved like that. I'm just saying that comparing to someone saying they're the opposite gender and a paraplegic is a bit silly, these are two different scales.
On July 04 2010 08:42 Malgrif wrote: so he got baned for fooling everyone? this hardly seems justified.
While I appreciate your well-thought out criticism which ignores the many explanations that have given and is based purely on assumption, I am going to have to maintain with my current course of action.
Should this inconvenience you, please contact Kennigit via PM.
he was baned because he carried on with his story and you didn't like that he was telling a fib. you used the excuse that "this" was the final straw and that he had a history of temp bans and bad posts, and his 4k post count was a bunch of junk to make a justification of why he was baned. however, no where in the rules of the site have i ever read that you can be banned for telling a lie or causing mass deception, you bent the rules as you saw fit and made an excuse for doing it. sure people agree with you, they view it as "catching the bad guy!, the justice hammer wins again!" but honestly there was no justice here, he broke no rule. maybe a temporary ban or a chance at a public apology for not listening to a moderator, but a perma ban for sharing a made up story is absurd.
i will make an analogy that may help u understand better
lets say theres a real life party. if ur like wuh?? a party is where people assemble to drink and talk with each other. ok so ur going to a party, and it is hosted by steve liquid and his friends. steve liquid has a lot of friends. lets say one of the kids going is named Xero. the party runs out of beer, and Xero says hes goin out to get some beer. but he doesn't actually get any beer. he lied. he lied to the party. so steve liquid says, get out, we dont want liars at our party. then someone named malcom grif says, totally unfair, theres no rule at the party saying u cant lie about mass deception.
now, imagine urself as malcom grif, and "Xero" as dream)xero, and "steve liquid's party" as team liquid forums. do u see now? "oh shit baller that makes so much sense" u say? ur welcome.
this is really dumb, sorry, but i care whether there's beer at a party a bit more than whether someone i don't know is telling the truth about a story. i'd imagine most people feel the same.
think of it this way, people who went to the party expected there to be beer, people on the internet don't log on and think "oh boy everything i read is going to be true!"
Really? Beer is more important than honesty?
edit--- you may be correct.
LOL so good.
On July 04 2010 12:09 Djzapz wrote: Those people just don't realize that if someone shits on your carpet you're allowed to kick them out of your house.
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie.
you and i have different standards i suppose. i've never been able to get along with someone after finding out they were dishonest to me to the degree op was(and elaborating for days on it, thats O.o). you can argue everyone is dishonest in their own way, but not everyone creates intricate fabrications at the expense of others. that is not a common trait among all humans.
i disagree, people make up wild stories that don't happen all the time. if the story isn't completely made up it might be greatly exaggerated, which is a common trait among humans.
uhm, not many people people fabricate stories over a series of five blogs and even post fake pictures to go along with them. people lie about little things all the time, but the scale matters here. it is not a common human trait to do what this xero guy pulled off, making up elaborate stories to deceive an entire community for many days. people like him should be banned.
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie.
you and i have different standards i suppose. i've never been able to get along with someone after finding out they were dishonest to me to the degree op was(and elaborating for days on it, thats O.o). you can argue everyone is dishonest in their own way, but not everyone creates intricate fabrications at the expense of others. that is not a common trait among all humans.
i disagree, people make up wild stories that don't happen all the time. if the story isn't completely made up it might be greatly exaggerated, which is a common trait among humans.
uhm, not many people people fabricate stories over a series of five blogs and even post fake pictures to go along with them. people lie about little things all the time, but the scale matters here. it is not a common human trait to do what this xero guy pulled off, making up elaborate stories to deceive an entire community for many days. people like him should be banned.
also, good god, man.
when i was discussing this i wasn't talking about xero at allllllllll, ugh this is pointless, people are misinterpreting and mixing up my arguments >_>.
On July 04 2010 12:47 Malgrif wrote: trying to gain attention through lying about something is being a douche bag? jeez you judge people too harshly, look around you, people do it all the time.
depends on who you choose to surround yourself with.. bold faced liars??
knowing who to trust when and knowing when allowing people to get away with stuff is better then challenging everyone. know when to fight and know when to let things go. (this really has nothing to do with the matter at hand) that's just my philosophy about how to handle people and i'm sure most of you will say that you don't surround yourself with liars, and that in itself, not to be cliche, is a lie.
you and i have different standards i suppose. i've never been able to get along with someone after finding out they were dishonest to me to the degree op was(and elaborating for days on it, thats O.o). you can argue everyone is dishonest in their own way, but not everyone creates intricate fabrications at the expense of others. that is not a common trait among all humans.
i disagree, people make up wild stories that don't happen all the time. if the story isn't completely made up it might be greatly exaggerated, which is a common trait among humans.
uhm, not many people people fabricate stories over a series of five blogs and even post fake pictures to go along with them. people lie about little things all the time, but the scale matters here. it is not a common human trait to do what this xero guy pulled off, making up elaborate stories to deceive an entire community for many days. people like him should be banned.
also, good god, man.
when i was discussing this i wasn't talking about xero at allllllllll, ugh this is pointless, people are misinterpreting and mixing up my arguments >_>.
well it doesn't really matter who you were talking about. you said that people lie all the time but what xero did is different. that's all im saying. but yeah when you posting so many times in this thread not willing to give in, it's easy to mix up your arguments. i guess you were describing the general human nature. i just used it in a comparison with xero.
On July 04 2010 16:42 konadora wrote: malgrif is it really that hard to understand? just wow =/
i disagree with the actions taken, what's so hard to understand about that?
That you disagree with the actions taken is not difficult to understand, your reasoning on the other hand is quite a bit. Maybe it is normal for you to deal with people, who make up stories all the time and blatantly lie continuously with great passion, but to most people here, this is not the case, thus making them wonder why this is no big deal to you.
I don't know about you guys but sometime long ago I stopped believing everything I read on the internet unless there's overwhelming evidence to support it. That goes for every blog on TL pretty much. I don't try to reject their story it's just a natural reaction now. Even things that you can't really tastefully call out, I still don't believe. Like if you write a story about your friend dying, it's poor taste to request evidence in the form of an obituary or pictures of his or her still-warm corpse, but I just don't believe you because it's on the internet. I just choose not to participate in any of those threads and lump them all together as drive-by tales of fictional triumph and tragedy
On July 04 2010 21:53 floor exercise wrote: I don't know about you guys but sometime long ago I stopped believing everything I read on the internet unless there's overwhelming evidence to support it. That goes for every blog on TL pretty much. I don't try to reject their story it's just a natural reaction now. Even things that you can't really tastefully call out, I still don't believe. Like if you write a story about your friend dying, it's poor taste to request evidence in the form of an obituary or pictures of his or her still-warm corpse, but I just don't believe you because it's on the internet. I just choose not to participate in any of those threads and lump them all together as drive-by tales of fictional triumph and tragedy
After he has been exposed, yes. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. It's not like this thread was in any way subtle in its directional shift???
On July 04 2010 22:06 floor exercise wrote: After he has been exposed, yes. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. It's not like this thread was in any way subtle in its directional shift???
Oh right, maybe I missed something in the last few pages. I thought he got called out for spamming, but not necessarily for lying about it.
I was just making the point that people always say that they aren't going to comment on a thread because people always lie on the net, but by posting that they've already passed a very public judgement on it and usually feel some sort of immunity because of the preamble to their judgement.
Not that I disagree with your general stance, however, as I feel the same way.
What i meant to say is, I'm kind of past trying to expose/call people out/demand for proof. I basically just take the blog section as a creative writing section. But I love when the mods do it, because sometimes it just has to be done
I don't know if people realize this but this is an unexaggerated summary of what Malgrif just posted:
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules Radical: It IS in our rules Malgrif: No it isn't Radical: It's rule #1 Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh Holy_war: He was warned Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag Mainerd: He was a liar Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree Malgrif: People make up stories all the time OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
On July 04 2010 22:18 floor exercise wrote: What i meant to say is, I'm kind of past trying to expose/call people out/demand for proof. I basically just take the blog section as a creative writing section. But I love when the mods do it, because sometimes it just has to be done
OK, yea. That makes sense to me and I agree with you.
On July 04 2010 22:26 PokePill wrote: I don't know if people realize this but this is an unexaggerated summary of what Malgrif just posted:
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules Radical: It IS in our rules Malgrif: No it isn't Radical: It's rule #1 Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh Holy_war: He was warned Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag Mainerd: He was a liar Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree Malgrif: People make up stories all the time OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
Rofl I don't get why Malgrif thinks permabanning was the wrong choice of action. If he were ever allowed to come back the entire community would shun and ridicule him for lying to their face and betraying their trust. He's better off gone, for us and himself.
He's better off gone, but he will be remembered forever. I for one still think it's fucking hilarious. A series of blogs that richly deserves its place in the hall of fame. It kind of reminds me of the Underwater Basket Weaving thread XD
On July 04 2010 22:26 PokePill wrote: I don't know if people realize this but this is an unexaggerated summary of what Malgrif just posted:
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules Radical: It IS in our rules Malgrif: No it isn't Radical: It's rule #1 Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh Holy_war: He was warned Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag Mainerd: He was a liar Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree Malgrif: People make up stories all the time OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
You have no argument
to think someone can cherry pick like this amazes me. i'll reiterate my argument one more time.
Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.
There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.
Anyways I hope this cleared somethings up about what I said, and i'm sure many of you will still disagree.
On July 05 2010 01:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: Rofl I don't get why Malgrif thinks permabanning was the wrong choice of action. If he were ever allowed to come back the entire community would shun and ridicule him for lying to their face and betraying their trust. He's better off gone, for us and himself.
if he was given a chance at a public apology, i'd atleast consider it seriously. again it was an honest mistake
Give it up Malgrif, he is permabanned and there is nothing you can do about it, he had a chance to come clean but he chose to continue the lie. Freedom of speech on TL is a privilege not a right.
Are you ignoring the fact that he was warned and decided to continue the charade instead of saying "I didn't think it'd go this far and don't want to get banned so this is bullshit, I was just doing it for kicks and to entertain the forum"? The fact is at no time he showed remorse, he was aware of the accusations and never attempted to reconcile and thus was banned. There is a ton of ways he could still get in touch with the admins and plead his case or address the forum in an apology but after he was busted instead he chose to remain silent. It shouldn't have to be stated in the rules that leading on a bunch of people with a continued bullshit story just to tool them will get you banned, that is common sense. If someone can't understand that concept maybe they shouldn't be posting in a fairly tight community.
On July 05 2010 02:11 Malgrif wrote:if he was given a chance at a public apology, i'd atleast consider it seriously. again it was an honest mistake
I would have no problem questioning the intelligence of someone who calls this an "honest mistake".
If anything, it's the most dishonest "mistake" I've ever seen.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
On July 05 2010 02:16 zenMaster wrote: Give it up Malgrif, he is permabanned and there is nothing you can do about it, he had a chance to come clean but he chose to continue the lie. Freedom of speech on TL is a privilege not a right.
no he didn't, and i already know this, i doubt what i'm saying has any weight what so ever when it comes to chill.
On July 05 2010 02:18 SLTorak.Hobo wrote: Are you ignoring the fact that he was warned and decided to continue the charade instead of saying "I didn't think it'd go this far and don't want to get banned so this is bullshit, I was just doing it for kicks and to entertain the forum"? The fact is at no time he showed remorse, he was aware of the accusations and never attempted to reconcile and thus was banned. There is a ton of ways he could still get in touch with the admins and plead his case or address the forum in an apology but after he was busted instead he chose to remain silent. It shouldn't have to be stated in the rules that leading on a bunch of people with a continued bullshit story just to tool them will get you banned, that is common sense. If someone can't understand that concept maybe they shouldn't be posting in a fairly tight community.
nope, you're ignoring the fact that there was no warning to come clean. which means i think you agree with me.
On July 05 2010 02:11 Malgrif wrote:if he was given a chance at a public apology, i'd atleast consider it seriously. again it was an honest mistake
I would have no problem questioning the intelligence of someone who calls this an "honest mistake".
If anything, it's the most dishonest "mistake" I've ever seen.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
On July 05 2010 02:16 zenMaster wrote: Give it up Malgrif, he is permabanned and there is nothing you can do about it, he had a chance to come clean but he chose to continue the lie. Freedom of speech on TL is a privilege not a right.
no he didn't, and i already know this, i doubt what i'm saying has any weight what so ever when it comes to chill.
On July 05 2010 02:18 SLTorak.Hobo wrote: Are you ignoring the fact that he was warned and decided to continue the charade instead of saying "I didn't think it'd go this far and don't want to get banned so this is bullshit, I was just doing it for kicks and to entertain the forum"? The fact is at no time he showed remorse, he was aware of the accusations and never attempted to reconcile and thus was banned. There is a ton of ways he could still get in touch with the admins and plead his case or address the forum in an apology but after he was busted instead he chose to remain silent. It shouldn't have to be stated in the rules that leading on a bunch of people with a continued bullshit story just to tool them will get you banned, that is common sense. If someone can't understand that concept maybe they shouldn't be posting in a fairly tight community.
nope, you're ignoring the fact that there was no warning to come clean. which means i think you agree with me.
Malgrif, he was warned even before he made this blog. He was warned on after his second blog about this girl. He then posted this blog and wrote "please dont ban me for this". It's obvious he understood the consequences.
Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.
No, he had a chance. He wasn't banned for well over a day or something after the fact that it was probablyt a bullshit story came to light. As everyone pretty much agreed this guy posted 100+ times a week, and was almost certainly following the reception to his story. He had a chance to reply. He didn't
There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.
It seemed implicit, at least to me, that he would not be banned, or at least permabanned and dealt with as severly if he came clean right then, rather than trying to continue get people emotionally involved in his story with ever more elaborate lies. As a side note, thats what makes this more than an honest mistake. He knew people were getting involved, plenty emotionally, and yet continued to weave a story that was only going to hurt people in the end. It's not that unlike leading on someone in a relationship, you get them emotionally attached to you even though you have no actual interest in them; to me thats what you would call being a douchebag, not an honest mistake. Morover, this guy apparently had a history of warnings and bans. It was likely that one more slip up from him, even a minor one, was going to be his last anyway, and this was certainly more than a minor slip up. So even if you really feel a permaban for this was too harsh, consider that he isn't being permabanned for just this but in conunctiuon with the fact that he had a terrible posting history riddled with past bans and warnings.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.
First of all let me reiterate what I said above. His ban severity was probably influenced by his previous history of being a poor poster. Also, keep in mind that TL is the mod's house. If this guy comes in and shits on the carpet, the mods have every right to kick him out. You seem to be arguing that he didn't shit on the carpet but rather tracked a small pebble inside or something. Be that as it may, its ultimately the mods house, and perception is reality; they are absolutely within their right to kick this guy out.
On July 05 2010 02:11 Malgrif wrote:if he was given a chance at a public apology, i'd atleast consider it seriously. again it was an honest mistake
I would have no problem questioning the intelligence of someone who calls this an "honest mistake".
If anything, it's the most dishonest "mistake" I've ever seen.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
On July 05 2010 02:16 zenMaster wrote: Give it up Malgrif, he is permabanned and there is nothing you can do about it, he had a chance to come clean but he chose to continue the lie. Freedom of speech on TL is a privilege not a right.
no he didn't, and i already know this, i doubt what i'm saying has any weight what so ever when it comes to chill.
On July 05 2010 02:18 SLTorak.Hobo wrote: Are you ignoring the fact that he was warned and decided to continue the charade instead of saying "I didn't think it'd go this far and don't want to get banned so this is bullshit, I was just doing it for kicks and to entertain the forum"? The fact is at no time he showed remorse, he was aware of the accusations and never attempted to reconcile and thus was banned. There is a ton of ways he could still get in touch with the admins and plead his case or address the forum in an apology but after he was busted instead he chose to remain silent. It shouldn't have to be stated in the rules that leading on a bunch of people with a continued bullshit story just to tool them will get you banned, that is common sense. If someone can't understand that concept maybe they shouldn't be posting in a fairly tight community.
nope, you're ignoring the fact that there was no warning to come clean. which means i think you agree with me.
Malgrif, he was warned even before he made this blog. He was warned on after his second blog about this girl. He then posted this blog and wrote "please dont ban me for this". It's obvious he understood the consequences.
well i could be wrong on this, but wasn't it that chill warned him about not making so many consecutive blogs over and over again, and that him making another one ins't that matter at hand?
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
um, actually driving like an idiot would mean you're breaking laws that are stated. and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.
Are you joking?
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story
Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.
No, he had a chance. He wasn't banned for well over a day or something after the fact that it was probablyt a bullshit story came to light. As everyone pretty much agreed this guy posted 100+ times a week, and was almost certainly following the reception to his story. He had a chance to reply. He didn't
There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.
It seemed implicit, at least to me, that he would not be banned, or at least permabanned and dealt with as severly if he came clean right then, rather than trying to continue get people emotionally involved in his story with ever more elaborate lies. As a side note, thats what makes this more than an honest mistake. He knew people were getting involved, plenty emotionally, and yet continued to weave a story that was only going to hurt people in the end. It's not that unlike leading on someone in a relationship, you get them emotionally attached to you even though you have no actual interest in them; to me thats what you would call being a douchebag, not an honest mistake. Morover, this guy apparently had a history of warnings and bans. It was likely that one more slip up from him, even a minor one, was going to be his last anyway, and this was certainly more than a minor slip up. So even if you really feel a permaban for this was too harsh, consider that he isn't being permabanned for just this but in conunctiuon with the fact that he had a terrible posting history riddled with past bans and warnings.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.
First of all let me reiterate what I said above. His ban severity was probably influenced by his previous history of being a poor poster. Also, keep in mind that TL is the mod's house. If this guy comes in and shits on the carpet, the mods have every right to kick him out. You seem to be arguing that he didn't shit on the carpet but rather tracked a small pebble inside or something. Be that as it may, its ultimately the mods house, and perception is reality; they are absolutely within their right to kick this guy out.
The thing is, we really don't know exactly how it would of played out if he came clean, but judging by the PM, it would of meant that he would have gotten baned anyways. I understand why the mods baned him, and I'm not saying it's not in their right to kick him out, i'm giving my opinion on why i think it was an unfair judgement.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.
Are you joking?
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story
good day sir?
please re-read my arguments. SIR
I don't usually do this but I must say you've been spelling "banned" wrong all along. Just thought I would let you know.
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.
Are you joking?
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story
good day sir?
please re-read my arguments. SIR
I don't usually do this but I must say you've been spelling "banned" wrong all along. Just thought I would let you know.
yes yes and i've been typing with a thousand grammar errors too. did it really distract you that much from my point? >_>
ur arguments blow monkey balls, are contradictory, and pointless to the extreme.
it was clear that if he was lying he would be banned, he continued to lie, he was banned. he blatantly disregarded a moderator's directive, he lied to the entire community, and he kept promoting his BS after being warned not to do so.
anyway, well deserved ban imho, he deliverately acted like a retard to the community, that should be more than enough being written in commandments or rules or not
he wanted attention, he made up an elaborate tale, he got caught in his lie, he got baned. i don't know what you constitute as an honest mistake, but my definition of it is that if someone doesn't know what his actions would end up leading to.
You truly are ridiculous.
If you drive like an idiot and you get caught, you get arrested whether or not you're aware that you're not supposed to drive through a red light. It's even worse if you do it again after you're told not to - whether or not you're aware of the punishment for doing it, you shouldn't do it. He was told not to.
Let me put that in other words. He was explicitly and directly told by a mod NOT to do ONE SPECIFIC thing, and he did it anyway. It was one golden rule and he broke it.
and i'll concede if you can bring me evidence where the mod told him not to lie or he'll get baned.
Are you joking?
Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story
good day sir?
please re-read my arguments. SIR
I don't usually do this but I must say you've been spelling "banned" wrong all along. Just thought I would let you know.
yes yes and i've been typing with a thousand grammar errors too. did it really distract you that much from my point? >_>
Your point is pretty weak. I understand where you come from but keep in mind that there's something in your mind that makes you more accepting of liars and most people aren't so easy on them.
Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.
No, he had a chance. He wasn't banned for well over a day or something after the fact that it was probablyt a bullshit story came to light. As everyone pretty much agreed this guy posted 100+ times a week, and was almost certainly following the reception to his story. He had a chance to reply. He didn't
There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.
It seemed implicit, at least to me, that he would not be banned, or at least permabanned and dealt with as severly if he came clean right then, rather than trying to continue get people emotionally involved in his story with ever more elaborate lies. As a side note, thats what makes this more than an honest mistake. He knew people were getting involved, plenty emotionally, and yet continued to weave a story that was only going to hurt people in the end. It's not that unlike leading on someone in a relationship, you get them emotionally attached to you even though you have no actual interest in them; to me thats what you would call being a douchebag, not an honest mistake. Morover, this guy apparently had a history of warnings and bans. It was likely that one more slip up from him, even a minor one, was going to be his last anyway, and this was certainly more than a minor slip up. So even if you really feel a permaban for this was too harsh, consider that he isn't being permabanned for just this but in conunctiuon with the fact that he had a terrible posting history riddled with past bans and warnings.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.
First of all let me reiterate what I said above. His ban severity was probably influenced by his previous history of being a poor poster. Also, keep in mind that TL is the mod's house. If this guy comes in and shits on the carpet, the mods have every right to kick him out. You seem to be arguing that he didn't shit on the carpet but rather tracked a small pebble inside or something. Be that as it may, its ultimately the mods house, and perception is reality; they are absolutely within their right to kick this guy out.
The thing is, we really don't know exactly how it would of played out if he came clean, but judging by the PM, it would of meant that he would have gotten baned anyways. I understand why the mods baned him, and I'm not saying it's not in their right to kick him out, i'm giving my opinion on why i think it was an unfair judgement.
Okay, you obviously feel it was unfair that he got banned for this, I disagree, but thats neither here nor there. Have you considered the fact that the reason he got banned wasn't for this alone, but also because of his history of bad posts, warnings, and previous bans. You've already stated that some sort of punishment was in order, so this was just the final straw for Zero.
On July 05 2010 03:08 Megalisk wrote: Xero must love all the attention this ban is getting.. do you happen to be one of Xero's RL friends or something Malgrif?
That's what I was wondering myself...... or XERO HIMSELF! o.O
Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.
No, he had a chance. He wasn't banned for well over a day or something after the fact that it was probablyt a bullshit story came to light. As everyone pretty much agreed this guy posted 100+ times a week, and was almost certainly following the reception to his story. He had a chance to reply. He didn't
There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.
It seemed implicit, at least to me, that he would not be banned, or at least permabanned and dealt with as severly if he came clean right then, rather than trying to continue get people emotionally involved in his story with ever more elaborate lies. As a side note, thats what makes this more than an honest mistake. He knew people were getting involved, plenty emotionally, and yet continued to weave a story that was only going to hurt people in the end. It's not that unlike leading on someone in a relationship, you get them emotionally attached to you even though you have no actual interest in them; to me thats what you would call being a douchebag, not an honest mistake. Morover, this guy apparently had a history of warnings and bans. It was likely that one more slip up from him, even a minor one, was going to be his last anyway, and this was certainly more than a minor slip up. So even if you really feel a permaban for this was too harsh, consider that he isn't being permabanned for just this but in conunctiuon with the fact that he had a terrible posting history riddled with past bans and warnings.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.
First of all let me reiterate what I said above. His ban severity was probably influenced by his previous history of being a poor poster. Also, keep in mind that TL is the mod's house. If this guy comes in and shits on the carpet, the mods have every right to kick him out. You seem to be arguing that he didn't shit on the carpet but rather tracked a small pebble inside or something. Be that as it may, its ultimately the mods house, and perception is reality; they are absolutely within their right to kick this guy out.
The thing is, we really don't know exactly how it would of played out if he came clean, but judging by the PM, it would of meant that he would have gotten baned anyways. I understand why the mods baned him, and I'm not saying it's not in their right to kick him out, i'm giving my opinion on why i think it was an unfair judgement.
Okay, you obviously feel it was unfair that he got banned for this, I disagree, but thats neither here nor there. Have you considered the fact that the reason he got banned wasn't for this alone, but also because of his history of bad posts, warnings, and previous bans. You've already stated that some sort of punishment was in order, so this was just the final straw for Zero.
that's not the reason he got baned, he got baned for lying. people posted this after he got baned. so basically they justified the ban in a different way after the fact, which means that these reasons to why he got baned afterwards have no weight on why he got baned in the first place. and if you agree that it was too harsh to ban him without warning, then you agree that he shouldn't of been baned for just lying.
On July 05 2010 03:21 OpRaider wrote: He got banned for lying, past posting history, and breaking Chill's orders. They are not mutually exclusive events.
he got baned for getting caught >_>, read the ban list.
On July 05 2010 03:21 OpRaider wrote: He got banned for lying, past posting history, and breaking Chill's orders. They are not mutually exclusive events.
he got baned for getting caught >_>, read the ban list.
This was the last straw that led to the banning, but you can see from chill's post that Xero has irked him before.
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules Radical: It IS in our rules Malgrif: No it isn't Radical: It's rule #1 Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh Holy_war: He was warned Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag Mainerd: He was a liar Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree Malgrif: People make up stories all the time OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
Xero Banned
Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules Radical: It IS in our rules Malgrif: No it isn't Radical: It's rule #1 Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh Holy_war: He was warned Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag Mainerd: He was a liar. Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree Malgrif: People make up stories all the time OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all Teamliquid: Malgrif, you have no argument and thus you should stop. Malgrif: God you guys can't interpret my arguments. Pokepill: Here's a rough summary of your arguments. You have none. Malgrif: Stop cherry picking. XerO made an honest mistake. He didn't know what his actions would lead to. Teamliquid: He was warned and knew exactly what he was doing. And he was given some time to come out and say something. Malgrif: He would have been banned anyways! And I disagree!
Your aguments are so bad that it seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. They are long-winded, off the mark, unconvincing, and most importantly, they don't make sense. You have tried to come up with some of the most ridiculous arguments and have failed miserably. Please stop. You really are making a fool out of yourself. I know you will respond to this by saying "people just don't understand what I am saying!" But trust me, we really do get it and you make no sense whatsoever. So yeah, stop.
If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with
For the last time, stop acting like people don't know coming up with a fake stories and pictures over a series of five blogs isn't wrong. It wasn't an honest mistake. He knew himself what he was getting himself into. To sum up your main points:
1) It is not in the rules. 2) We don't know if he was a douchebag. 3) People lie all the time. 4) He made an honest mistake. 5) People don't understand your arguments (you have none, really)
I am not going to write any further responses because it's just a waste of time.
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