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So long ago, I played L4D (single player) and I beat a lot of the missions on the hardest setting (couldn't beat certain levels though - Rooftop of first campaign was one I think).
But I could still beat every level on the 2nd hardest setting at the least. It was challenging and the fact that you have to start each level all the way over when you die is great (like old video games, not all this saving every 2 seconds that FPS's have now).
Since sc2 beta has been down, I've been playing L4D2 and I've noticed that the Expert setting is just impossible. I only beat the first level with it and each following level even on the 2nd hardest is almost impossible (some levels took me hours and hours to beat). I think the main reason for this is the lack of CPU Ally AI.
They are retarded as fuck.
They never pick up items/weapons when you want them to (often they will drop a good gun and pick up some trash gun just because it has more ammo), and they seem to always jack your health packs/pills when you need them most. They heal injured allies over you even if you have less HP. They never take priority to help you when you are stunned/down and a few too many times they just be bugged? and stand around while you slowly die and they are doing nothing at all.
They always walk into your line of fire.
The very worst part about them though is the fact that they do not follow closely enough and will not retreat when you do.
For example, you are in a hallway and come to a multiway path break, and trigger a zombie attack. You throw a molitov in front of yourself andthen run to a closet/room to funnel. They just stand their ground and get fucking raped. Often times they will even stand in the green goo or fire on the floor and die even faster. It's just terrible.
These games are really fucking awesome but it just sucks and makes me feel terrible that it takes me 2 days (like 5-6 hours) to beat the mall level because the retarded AI won't follow me as I try and turn off an alarm that is causing a nonstop zombie wave. Or as I go up an escalator and get snagged 3/4 the way through a level that they don't come up and unsnag me.
I mean it's not like the enemy itself is hard, it's the fact that the ally AI is just terrible.
Other than that fact, L4D2 is superior game. More diverse enemies, weapons, less items around, Insanely good graphics/gore. It's like valve didn't give a fuck about single player this time and only focused on the multiplayer.
Anyone else played it on single player and have any tips?
 
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I bought this last week and have been playing it on expert co-op with my friends online and on LAN in a few weeks. Loving every bit of it but yeah NPC AI isn't that great and not suitable for expert play at all. Requires a lot more ingenuity and creativity/positional play then the AI can provide.
Co-op however we're having a BLAST. Loved every second of L4D and L4D2 is just bigger, more and better then the original. Just a great game!
In short, play it with randoms if you have to but else grab some friends of TL or IRC or something and go massacre it up  . Especially the new melee weapons are so cool lol.
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I didn't play a lot of L4D or L4D2.. but I can recall that they are not meant to be played with AI allys. Most of the time I remember catching the AI getting itself killed and things similar to that.
I distinctly remember them also facing my character while I was facing the direction of zombies coming in as well, and them not turning and shooting. I don't remember any trick that helped them react quicker either. It really is the bastard child of Valve, L4D series.
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I've played L4D2 on singleplayer once and will never again. It just becomes boring to me. The game is best played with friends, any reason why your not doing that?
And it's true that the AI sucks, but one thing their good at is spotting enemies far away behind bushes, where a normal person never could be capble of doing that.
And have you tried using the commands? Maybe they work!
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This is gonna sound like trolling but, don't play single player =p
In fact, I only had fun with it during the "Last man on earth" mutation, now THAT, was awesome. You can probably re-create it with a custom server (that's if you are not playing on 360) and give it a go, I guarantee you are going to have a great time.
It is hard when you don't know the maps very well, but it gets easier. Try getting some friends to team up with, it's the whole point of the game. Playing "Real Deal" and "Realism Versus" with my mates on skype is ace.
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On July 01 2010 23:10 NonFactor wrote:
I've played L4D2 on singleplayer once and will never again. It just becomes boring to me. The game is best played with friends, any reason why your not doing that?
And it's true that the AI sucks, but one thing their good at is spotting enemies far away behind bushes, where a normal person never could be capble of doing that.
And have you tried using the commands? Maybe they work!
Well I don't exactly have steam or a server to play on with public. And It'd probably be difficult to round up some friends IRL to play with (and I'd need to setup hamachi or something? which I don't know how to do). PC version btw
And you're right about the AI shooting into darkness lol. That's the only thing that is good about them.
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On July 01 2010 23:14 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 23:10 NonFactor wrote:
I've played L4D2 on singleplayer once and will never again. It just becomes boring to me. The game is best played with friends, any reason why your not doing that?
And it's true that the AI sucks, but one thing their good at is spotting enemies far away behind bushes, where a normal person never could be capble of doing that.
And have you tried using the commands? Maybe they work! Well I don't exactly have steam or a server to play on with public. And It'd probably be difficult to round up some friends IRL to play with (and I'd need to setup hamachi or something? which I don't know how to do). PC version btw And you're right about the AI shooting into darkness lol. That's the only thing that is good about them.
garena
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Experts pretty much impossible on single player, but if you have a couple of friends playing with you its definitely doable, a pc cafe near my house had a competition going on for who could beat each level in the quickest time on expert with their friends , and some of the times were pretty ridiculous, like 1 minute 30 seconds for some of the easier levels I think, and only 2 minutes something for the hardest levels.
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In L4D2 there are no more closets to abuse, not as many corners to back into, zombies actually know how to flank, AND levels are designed such that infected literally come from every angle every fucking minute. How the fuck do people beat L4D2 in expert?
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Also, I forgot to mention something.
I don;t know if it's just me or my computer settings or something. But it seems like the hitboxes of zombies are smaller/don't match up. Lot of times I have a clean headshot but it just goes through their lips or ear or something. And I confirmed the weird hitboxes on that gnome game. Anyone else notice something like this in L4D2?
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Play with other people... It was meant for coop
aaaand i had no problem with headshots
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On July 01 2010 23:53 Mortician wrote:
Play with other people... It was meant for coop
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yeah it looks pretty funny :D
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god I love these games so much. The AI has to be played with in a sort of phalanx-turtle style, you can't act like you do with humans
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did you happen to notice that the "single player" maps are also multiplayer maps? you're playing multiplayer but with bots on your team, you should know what to expect
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fucking lol, i'm on the carnival level atm. whole team had full HP, pills, ammo, health pack, pipebomb (and garden gnome). Totally stocked up. Was on the green astro turf above where the carosel is. All my team jumped down (didn't even go near the jump down point yet, just sniping heads). All the sudden a charger comes, and nails me. They just stand around while be bashes me unmercifully over and over. So I alt tab because its gonna be a while and the game crashes. Yes!
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Expert realism with three friends is the only way to go. Everything below that is way too easy and practically beats itself. Don't really know about the SP though. Never actually played it because it just doesn't compare to the fun of the coop mode with friends.
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Buy it on steam for $10 gg
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what exactly is realism anyways? (sounds kind of ironic for a zombie game).
Single player l4d2 is as real as it gets, this shit is impossible.
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This sounds alot like starcraft Buggy AI, Near impossible to win, etc
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