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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 28 2010 06:20 GMT
#21
Get one of the routers that you can flash DD-WRT/Tomato with. Such as Linksys WRT54GL or Buffalo WHR-HP-G54/WHR-G54S
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iceburn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States303 Posts
June 28 2010 06:43 GMT
#22
there is also asus routers. they are pretty awesome. built in usb for wifi printer support or even have a harddrive to use as a ftp space. its also much cheaper that what you ahve posted.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch_v3.asp?scriteria=AA97305

this is what i have pretty awesome and you can put dd-wrt on it as well
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 28 2010 07:15 GMT
#23
What wireless adapter(s) do you have? I'm assuming you have some 802.11n adapter or else there'd be no point in getting a 802.11n router?

Although the 5 GHz band is generally not as saturated as the 2.4 GHz band, the actual situation in your home may be different. The range of 5 GHz signals is less than 2.4 GHz signals in free space and elsewhere, and higher frequency transmissions have more trouble penetrating walls etc. I think for 50 ft. in a typical home environment it's fine though and recommended.

However, my guess is that 802.11n might be overkill for your situation. What kind of transfer rates are you expecting from your remote computer? Only if you need more than 1-2 MB/s would 802.11n make a difference over 802.11g (depending, of course, on the actual SNR experienced over that distance).

The multiple antennas of 802.11n can improve effective range over 802.11g through spatial diversity coding techniques, yes. However, this advantage seems to be somewhat mitigated by the fact that consumer 802.11n routers are forgoing large external antennas that most cheap 802.11g routers had, so they're losing some performance there.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
June 28 2010 09:03 GMT
#24
On June 28 2010 15:20 writer22816 wrote:
Get one of the routers that you can flash DD-WRT/Tomato with. Such as Linksys WRT54GL or Buffalo WHR-HP-G54/WHR-G54S

This the best choice.
lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
June 28 2010 09:11 GMT
#25
i use mac airport, works perfectly
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 28 2010 11:32 GMT
#26
+1 for Linksys WRT54GL

Great little router, relatively cheap and when flashed to tomato firmware can do advance QoS and traffic shaping.

If you don't have Wireless N, this would be my recommendation.
Rillanon.au
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
June 28 2010 11:56 GMT
#27
I'd take a router with a USB port. That way you can plug in a normal external hard disk instead of an expensive NAS for backups and filesharing. Take care of your data security!
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
June 28 2010 12:54 GMT
#28
On June 28 2010 11:28 zeuS~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
if you're looking for gaming performance stick to wired

yeah I wish that I could but it's just not worth cabling through walls for me.

Show nested quote +
go Buffalo with preflashed DD-WRT

what does this firmware improve O_O, I looked at the wiki for it but it doesn't really tell me much.

Edit: Yeah I see the list of features on http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT?#Features but this pretty much means nothing to me as I have no clue what most of these things are


It's super reliable and stable, and 100% configurable.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 28 2010 13:49 GMT
#29
The third party firmwares give advanced features (some of which are normally only found in $600 routers) and better signal.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 28 2010 14:56 GMT
#30
On June 28 2010 22:49 writer22816 wrote:
The third party firmwares give advanced features (some of which are normally only found in $600 routers) and better signal.


Do you have anything to back up this claim? As far as I know, the firmware has no real control over the signal processing chain, and it's not like you can add new features to a signal that is defined in the 802.11 spec that would be compatible with other devices. These wireless routers are not software-defined radio. The firmware does not have access to low-level controls, except through the predetermined interfaces of packet encapsulation etc. However, as you said, it can provide advanced higher-layer network services and the like that would actually be managed by software.

One thing third-party firmware does allow for is to modify the transmit power setting beyond what the stock firmware allows. But I'm not sure if this actually does anything, and if it does, if it really helps. Depending on the underlying hardware, there's a decent chance that a transmit power setting given by the firmware will be ignored by the hardware if it's past a certain threshold. Also, there are physical limitations to the amplification chain of the hardware, and I doubt the original router designers would sell a product that is configured very poorly with regards to the maximum potential of the device. Past a certain power level, you can burn up the components and shorten the device's life span. In addition, amplifiers become nonlinear once they are driven to saturation (after reaching a certain power level), and this degrades the signal quality. So you might be transmitting a distorted, poor signal at higher power rather than a clean signal at lower power.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 28 2010 15:34 GMT
#31
On June 28 2010 18:03 xmShake wrote:
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On June 28 2010 15:20 writer22816 wrote:
Get one of the routers that you can flash DD-WRT/Tomato with. Such as Linksys WRT54GL or Buffalo WHR-HP-G54/WHR-G54S

This the best choice.

I have this Linksys, what is this flash DD thing you speak of? And what does it do?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
zeuS~
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 00:10:09
June 28 2010 22:27 GMT
#32
On June 28 2010 16:15 Myrmidon wrote:
What wireless adapter(s) do you have? I'm assuming you have some 802.11n adapter or else there'd be no point in getting a 802.11n router?

Although the 5 GHz band is generally not as saturated as the 2.4 GHz band, the actual situation in your home may be different. The range of 5 GHz signals is less than 2.4 GHz signals in free space and elsewhere, and higher frequency transmissions have more trouble penetrating walls etc. I think for 50 ft. in a typical home environment it's fine though and recommended.

However, my guess is that 802.11n might be overkill for your situation. What kind of transfer rates are you expecting from your remote computer? Only if you need more than 1-2 MB/s would 802.11n make a difference over 802.11g (depending, of course, on the actual SNR experienced over that distance).

The multiple antennas of 802.11n can improve effective range over 802.11g through spatial diversity coding techniques, yes. However, this advantage seems to be somewhat mitigated by the fact that consumer 802.11n routers are forgoing large external antennas that most cheap 802.11g routers had, so they're losing some performance there.


I don't have an adapter yet. I really just need a high enough transfer rate for gaming(sometimes streaming) / torrents / hd video streams.

So I'm thinking about going with the WRT54GL which is like 60$ on amazon. Should I get WMP54G Wireless-G PCI Adapter [$26.29] http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WMP54G-Wireless-G-PCI-Adapter/dp/B000085BD8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277763762&sr=1-1
or
WMP54G - Network adapter - PCI - 802.11b, 802.11g [$34.10] http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-Wireless-G-PCI-Card-WMP54G/dp/B0002LHSKW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277763814&sr=1-6

There's one that comes with speedbooster but that that adapter is more expensive than the router wtf >_<
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 03:27:44
June 29 2010 03:25 GMT
#33
On June 29 2010 07:27 zeuS~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 16:15 Myrmidon wrote:
What wireless adapter(s) do you have? I'm assuming you have some 802.11n adapter or else there'd be no point in getting a 802.11n router?

Although the 5 GHz band is generally not as saturated as the 2.4 GHz band, the actual situation in your home may be different. The range of 5 GHz signals is less than 2.4 GHz signals in free space and elsewhere, and higher frequency transmissions have more trouble penetrating walls etc. I think for 50 ft. in a typical home environment it's fine though and recommended.

However, my guess is that 802.11n might be overkill for your situation. What kind of transfer rates are you expecting from your remote computer? Only if you need more than 1-2 MB/s would 802.11n make a difference over 802.11g (depending, of course, on the actual SNR experienced over that distance).

The multiple antennas of 802.11n can improve effective range over 802.11g through spatial diversity coding techniques, yes. However, this advantage seems to be somewhat mitigated by the fact that consumer 802.11n routers are forgoing large external antennas that most cheap 802.11g routers had, so they're losing some performance there.


I don't have an adapter yet. I really just need a high enough transfer rate for gaming(sometimes streaming) / torrents / hd video streams.

So I'm thinking about going with the WRT54GL which is like 60$ on amazon. Should I get WMP54G Wireless-G PCI Adapter [$26.29] http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WMP54G-Wireless-G-PCI-Adapter/dp/B000085BD8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277763762&sr=1-1
or
WMP54G - Network adapter - PCI - 802.11b, 802.11g [$34.10] http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-Wireless-G-PCI-Card-WMP54G/dp/B0002LHSKW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277763814&sr=1-6

There's one that comes with speedbooster but that that adapter is more expensive than the router wtf >_<


Right. If your connection to your ISP is less than about 15 Mb/s or so (in the previous post I said 1-2 MB/s, note bytes not bits), the bottleneck will be your ISP connection rather than your home wireless. The WRT54GL is a pretty good cheapish router. I remember some grad students I know working on some wireless research project that involved using a bunch of them with 3rd-party firmware in some mesh configuration.

Unfortunately I don't have experience with cheap client adapters. All I know is that speedbooster is a 3rd party extension to 802.11g that adds a new mode that can achieve double the data rate. You need both a router and an adapter with speedbooster to get any improvement. So don't worry about not having it. On a side note, speedbooster mode was officially added to 802.11n so standard 802.11n devices are capable of it, though it's no longer called by that name.

Also, be wary of cheap adapters, or at least read up on reviews before you make a purchase. I know that some cheaper models implement roaming in a terrible way such that periodically your connection will go down for a couple seconds at a time. However, this could just be a problem with cheap laptop Wi-Fi adapters--I'm not sure. Laptops and other mobile devices need to worry about roaming from one router to another, while desktops do not.

edit: CM, DD-WRT is a popular free 3rd-party firmware that can be run on a number of consumer-grade routers to add additional functionality, some of which is normally only seen in enterprise models.
zeuS~
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 04:34:08
July 07 2010 22:05 GMT
#34
just got my http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WMP54G-Wireless-G-PCI-Adapter/dp/B000085BD8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277763762&sr=1-1 along with the WRT54GL only to find out that the adapter doesn't work on windows 7?!!! >_<

=((((( so mad

update: k i've gotten everything to work and im getting a fluctuation between 24.0Mbps - 36.00Mbps from my router which is 50ft away O_O. its weird cuz this seems alot more faster than when i was using a wired router.

thanks everyone for all of your suggestions , really helped me out a lot ^_^
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