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illu
Canada2531 Posts
According to bulbapedia, the chance of getting a shiny pokemon is about 1/8000? Well, during the playthroughs I have probably seen thousands of wild pokemons already, and not a single shiny one.  On a different thought, the chance of winning the jackpot in a lottery is probably less than 1/8000. So, even if I start buying a lottery ticket every week, I probably won't live long enough to get the winning ticket. I guess I will never be rich.   | ||
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bakaorochizz
Canada69 Posts
there is always the shiny gyarados..lol | ||
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Severedevil
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:03 bakaorochizz wrote: well, if it will make you feel any better, there is always the shiny gyarados..lol I did get that one... but mine has a Sassy nature and I accidentally saved the game after catching it. On June 28 2010 03:04 Severedevil wrote: I think you can trigger one if you sell enough Stones of Jordan. Hahahahaha. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:04 Severedevil wrote: I think you can trigger one if you sell enough Stones of Jordan. Hahahahaa. I'm playing through Emerald right now, i want a shiny Sandshrew so fucking bad | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
 Go for the shiny before the lottery, just be patient. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:09 KinosJourney2 wrote: Hahahahaa. I'm playing through Emerald right now, i want a shiny Sandshrew so fucking bad Why do you want a Sandshrew? It and Its evolved form, Sandslash, have very poor stats. Maybe you want STAB on Earthquake? But I think there are many pokemon which is Ground type and has far superior stats. | ||
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AleC
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And I also have this sudden urge to play soul silver now | ||
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CrownRoyal
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LunarDestiny
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fabiano
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More than 151 pokemon is BULLSHIT. Red and Blue are the real games, the rest is BULLSHIT. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:12 CrownRoyal wrote: what the fuck is a shiny pokemon A normal pokemon but with an annoy, added effect everytime it enters battle. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:15 fabiano wrote: Pokemon, both games and manga/anime, was good when there was only 151 of them. More than 151 pokemon is BULLSHIT. Red and Blue are the real games, the rest is BULLSHIT. I kind of disagree. I played Gen1 before and I'd say it's really not that great. Heartgold and Soulsilver are very mature games, on the other hand. | ||
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AleC
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On June 28 2010 03:15 fabiano wrote: Pokemon, both games and manga/anime, was good when there was only 151 of them. More than 151 pokemon is BULLSHIT. Red and Blue are the real games, the rest is BULLSHIT. I actually don't think the silver/gold/crystal generation wasn't bad at all. The games at least | ||
Empyrean
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vlaric
United States412 Posts
Also, I've caught a shiny Ponyta using the Pokeradar. Why don't you use that? It takes a little while, but it pretty much guarantees a shiny Pokemon over time if you're willing to work at it. | ||
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Lhefriel_Medies
United States28 Posts
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52180 | ||
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AleC
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But isn't it only in the D/P/P generation games? | ||
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stiga
United States377 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:20 vlaric wrote: I got a shiny Unown, it was pretty awesome. Also, I've caught a shiny Ponyta using the Pokeradar. Why don't you use that? It takes a little while, but it pretty much guarantees a shiny Pokemon over time if you're willing to work at it. Tried Pokeradar in Platinum (for hours) and got nothing..... Also Pokeradar is not in Soulsilver as far as I know. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:15 fabiano wrote: Pokemon, both games and manga/anime, was good when there was only 151 of them. More than 151 pokemon is BULLSHIT. Red and Blue are the real games, the rest is BULLSHIT. The 3rd series turned out to be the best one tho. I also ended up with 5-6 shiny pokemon in my stables on Sapphire, I dissed ruby when the first random encounter (no pokeballs, just got the 1st pkmn) was against a shiny poochyena-.- | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
And I've played enough that if its a 1/8000 chance I think I shoulda seen one. I fell your pain brother. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:11 illu wrote: Why do you want a Sandshrew? It and Its evolved form, Sandslash, have very poor stats. Maybe you want STAB on Earthquake? But I think there are many pokemon which is Ground type and has far superior stats. Sandshrew and Sandslash are my favorite pokemon, fuck stats - Sandshrew is badass | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:22 xAlec wrote: Pokeradar seriously increases the shiny chance?? But isn't it only in the D/P/P generation games? You can increase the likeliness of encountering a shiny from 1 in 8000 to about 1 in 200 using the pokeradar. It's done by chaining and there are probably a number of guides in and around the internet (smogon, gamefaqs, etc). And yes, it only started with the 4th generation as far as I'm concerned. Edit: Spelling... and more spelling. | ||
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shawty
United Kingdom294 Posts
Sandshrew and Sandslash are my favorite pokemon, fuck stats - Sandshrew is badass I have a friend who saved before Ho-oh on heart gold and resetted until he caught a shiny one. He must have literally reset it a couple thousand times, and I may be understating. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:23 stiga wrote: i want to play pokemon so bad but my ds just broke cause i dropped it Mine is forever lost. Everywhere I look its not there. Its been lost since I joined TL.net, is that a bad omen? | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Pokemon has never been the same for me I woulda fucking loved that kingler to death  edit: was in silver, back in the day. To all comments that anything more than 151 is bullshit... I agree but for the following generation. When the next group came I was like WTF BULLSHIT and hated it, but I was just overly resistant to change. I then became accustomed to it but.... now they just keep making more and more and IMO anything post gold/silver is fucking bullshit. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
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Puosu
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I am a self taught mathematics guru thanks to poker and I've learned about this magical thing called Expected Value. Expected value is the average profit you get from doing a certain task. This means that every single person in the world will end up having the same overall EV in their lives, however it's spread differently. Usain Bolt has spent all of his EV on running good at running, thus he will very likely die very young or just have a shitty life. Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods are also good examples. While Expected Value can never be manipulated (this is why poker is purely luck based) you should actively count your EV points to see if you're currently on the negative or not. Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! Similarly your bad luck at the Pokeman field will lead to your life treating you well in the other sides of life. Math is very difficult and thus edumacation is important. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! edit: No I wasn't serious and I sincerely apologize if this resulted in some unfortunate little boy running to the nearest store to buy lottery tickets. (if you win I demand 50% though.) | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:39 Puosu wrote: OP I am a self taught mathematics guru thanks to poker and I've learned about this magical thing called Expected Value. Expected value is the average profit you get from doing a certain task. This means that every single person in the world will end up having the same overall EV in their lives, however it's spread differently. Usain Bolt has spent all of his EV on running good at running, thus he will very likely die very young or just have a shitty life. Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods are also good examples. While Expected Value can never be manipulated (this is why poker is purely luck based) you should actively count your EV points to see if you're currently on the negative or not. Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! Similarly your bad luck at the Pokeman field will lead to your life treating you well in the other sides of life. Math is very difficult and thus edumacation is important. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! Pretty sure that's straight up wrong. | ||
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AleC
332 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:39 Puosu wrote: OP I am a self taught mathematics guru thanks to poker and I've learned about this magical thing called Expected Value. Expected value is the average profit you get from doing a certain task. This means that every single person in the world will end up having the same overall EV in their lives, however it's spread differently. Usain Bolt has spent all of his EV on running good at running, thus he will very likely die very young or just have a shitty life. Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods are also good examples. While Expected Value can never be manipulated (this is why poker is purely luck based) you should actively count your EV points to see if you're currently on the negative or not. Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! Similarly your bad luck at the Pokeman field will lead to your life treating you well in the other sides of life. Math is very difficult and thus edumacation is important. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! How will this result in the OP obtaining a shiny pokemon? | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Speaking of ekans, ekans backwards = snake! arbok backwards = kobra! ... then MUK backwards is...?  | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! You must be joking here. (my joke sensor is broken...) | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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Astrogation
United States477 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:39 Puosu wrote: OP I am a self taught mathematics guru thanks to poker and I've learned about this magical thing called Expected Value. Expected value is the average profit you get from doing a certain task. This means that every single person in the world will end up having the same overall EV in their lives, however it's spread differently. Usain Bolt has spent all of his EV on running good at running, thus he will very likely die very young or just have a shitty life. Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods are also good examples. While Expected Value can never be manipulated (this is why poker is purely luck based) you should actively count your EV points to see if you're currently on the negative or not. Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! Similarly your bad luck at the Pokeman field will lead to your life treating you well in the other sides of life. Math is very difficult and thus edumacation is important. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! People born into rich families live terrible, unhappy lives and eventually commit suicide. It all makes sense | ||
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AleC
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On June 28 2010 03:46 OpticalShot wrote: I've caught a shiny ekans in silver version before, didn't bother raising it because 1) poison pokemon generally sux 2) ekans sux. Speaking of ekans, ekans backwards = snake! arbok backwards = kobra! ... then MUK backwards is...? I'm pretty sure most poison pokemon such as ekans were put in the game to assure that everyone from team rocket has some scrub pokemon for you to gain some easy exp. with. | ||
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vlaric
United States412 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:39 Puosu wrote: OP I am a self taught mathematics guru thanks to poker and I've learned about this magical thing called Expected Value. Expected value is the average profit you get from doing a certain task. This means that every single person in the world will end up having the same overall EV in their lives, however it's spread differently. Usain Bolt has spent all of his EV on running good at running, thus he will very likely die very young or just have a shitty life. Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods are also good examples. While Expected Value can never be manipulated (this is why poker is purely luck based) you should actively count your EV points to see if you're currently on the negative or not. Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! Similarly your bad luck at the Pokeman field will lead to your life treating you well in the other sides of life. Math is very difficult and thus edumacation is important. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! wat seriously, this is nuts lol is this a play on EV points in pokemon or something? | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
So lucky hahaha | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
Gen 2 is where it's at! Only shinies I've caught were in emulators though | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:47 LunarDestiny wrote: Puosu, I don't think expected value works that way. Being good at something does not necessary means bad at others things. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! You must be joking here. (my joke sensor is broken...) you serious? it's obvious joke. posts like this one baffle me. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
only ones ive ever gotten, and ive played every generation. they are indeed rare. | ||
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imDerek
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
Pokemon Blue is still awesome though. | ||
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textbook
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Fulgrim
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On June 28 2010 04:17 intrigue wrote: you serious? it's obvious joke. posts like this one baffle me. It's not an obvious joke since it talks about expected value. Expect value, a statistic term, is not learned or at least not learned in depth before couple years of high school. I am pretty sure there are young people who visit TL and will be totally confused by Psosu's post. | ||
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
I've tried so many times and believe me, I've played enough games but I've never saw any shiny pokemon save for the default red gyarados. I really wanted to see one too, even if it was a magikarp. Stupid astronomically low chances... | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:39 Puosu wrote: OP I am a self taught mathematics guru thanks to poker and I've learned about this magical thing called Expected Value. Expected value is the average profit you get from doing a certain task. This means that every single person in the world will end up having the same overall EV in their lives, however it's spread differently. Usain Bolt has spent all of his EV on running good at running, thus he will very likely die very young or just have a shitty life. Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods are also good examples. While Expected Value can never be manipulated (this is why poker is purely luck based) you should actively count your EV points to see if you're currently on the negative or not. Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! Similarly your bad luck at the Pokeman field will lead to your life treating you well in the other sides of life. Math is very difficult and thus edumacation is important. Remember kids stay in school and buy a lottery ticket after a streak of badluck!! edit: No I wasn't serious and I sincerely apologize if this resulted in some unfortunate little boy running to the nearest store to buy lottery tickets. (if you win I demand 50% though.) Thanks for explaining. I am a graduate student in statistics. On June 28 2010 04:35 ilovezil wrote: God, this thread makes me want to play gold/silver/crystal again I've tried so many times and believe me, I've played enough games but I've never saw any shiny pokemon save for the default red gyarados. I really wanted to see one too, even if it was a magikarp. Stupid astronomically low chances... You are quite mistaken. Magikarp evolves into Gyarados, one of the best pokemon in the game (not to mention easily obtained; thus giving you the flexibility to find one with good nature/IV). If it wasn't for the easily obtained Red Gyarados in HG/SS, a shiny Magikarp would have been one of the best finds possible. | ||
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PanoRaMa
United States5069 Posts
On June 28 2010 04:33 LunarDestiny wrote: It's not an obvious joke since it talks about expected value. Expect value, a statistic term, is not learned or at least not learned in depth before couple years of high school. I am pretty sure there are young people who visit TL and will be totally confused by Psosu's post. Even if you knew nothing about EV, Did you trip on a banana peel on your way to the grocery store? By causing this misfortune you gained future expected value thus your chances of winning the lottery just went up by kilometers! how does that not strike you as being as a joke?  | ||
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Divinek
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On June 28 2010 04:46 illu wrote: Thanks for explaining. I am a graduate student in statistics. You are quite mistaken. Magikarp evolves into Gyarados, one of the best pokemon in the game (not to mention easily obtained; thus giving you the flexibility to find one with good nature/IV). If it wasn't for the easily obtained Red Gyarados in HG/SS, a shiny Magikarp would have been one of the best finds possible. Mistaken in what? I never said anything except I would've loved to see any shiny pokemon, regardless of what it was. | ||
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AleC
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Entertaining
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AleC
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On June 28 2010 05:14 TOloseGT wrote: Do you all have NDS? How is Heartgold and Soulsilver? Better than Gold and Silver? If you liked the originals you'll probably love these mainly because it brings back a bunch of older memories but it's also just an amped up version with: -Better graphics -More/different features -Better multiplayer I wouldn't really think of it as a new game but more like a restored/enhanced version. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On June 28 2010 04:33 LunarDestiny wrote: It's not an obvious joke since it talks about expected value. Expect value, a statistic term, is not learned or at least not learned in depth before couple years of high school. I am pretty sure there are young people who visit TL and will be totally confused by Psosu's post. Any post that uses the word edumacation is an obvious joke... | ||
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GunSec
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On June 28 2010 04:24 Alou wrote: What the hell is a Shiny Pokemon? I feel so out of the loop now. Pokemon Blue is still awesome though.totally agree, I played that as well :D! old school ftw | ||
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ilovezil
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
i once got one of those... i didn't know they were this rare... lol | ||
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Kenpachi
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
And heres a video: | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Actually even though I know what it is now I don't care one bit. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
but I'm pretty sure that Puosu's post was a play on Effort Values. Edit: If it isn't it's a pretty huge coincidence! | ||
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valaki
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hi19hi19
United States163 Posts
eventually went with gallade because he has BLUE TONFAS! :D I stopped playing after GSC generation and recently got into DPP, I'm still getting used to all the new pokemon and stuff, but it's still a ton of fun! Quick quiz: Are there more species of pokemon, or moves available? + Show Spoiler + there are 491 different moves and 493 pokemon in the national pokedex (so, not counting different formes or the black/white reveals) the more you know...On June 28 2010 05:55 ilovezil wrote:They also have amped up stats than the rest of their original counterparts. This is totally wrong. In fact, in GSC generation shiny pokemon all had shitty stats. This is because shininess was determinded from the pokemon's IVs in order to be compatible with RBY (they later added in a bit to determine shinyness) In GSC, only pokemon with specific crappy IVs would be shiny, so in fact shiny pokemon all really sucked in terms of stats. Nowadays though they can have any IV spread and be shiny. + Show Spoiler [serious nerdery inside] + In Generation II, shininess is determined by the individual values (IVs) of a Pokémon. If a Pokémon's Speed, Defense, and Special IVs are 10, and its Attack IV is 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14 or 15, it will be Shiny. This determination allowed for compatibility with Generation I, as if a Shiny Pokémon is traded back, then traded forward, it would retain its shininess. Despite the bonus of backward compatibility allowing for a Shiny Pokémon to learn Generation I TMs, provided it was a Generation I Pokémon, Shiny Pokémon are only slightly above average in terms of IVs. Due to the probability of the IVs lining up in any of these manners to produce a Shiny Pokémon, the chance of obtaining one in Generation II is approximately 1/8192. However, if one breeds a Shiny Pokémon properly, the offspring may have as high as a 1/64 chance of being Shiny, depending on the species of Pokémon. Shininess is inherent to an individual Pokémon; that is, a Pokémon that starts out Shiny will always be Shiny, and one that is not will never be (provided its data is not altered through cheating). Upon evolution, a Pokémon will retain its Shiny status. A Shiny Charmander, if leveled up, will eventually become a Shiny Charmeleon and then a Shiny Charizard, just as a regular Charmander will become a regular Charmeleon and then a regular Charizard. This is due to the status being determined by values inherent to the Pokémon; however, there is a difference in the determination between Generation II and Generations III to IV. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shiny#Generation_II | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 07:07 valaki wrote: Sorry for the noob question but what's this game called? (obviously not just 'Pokemon') and is it available for PC? It is called Pokemon. There are many different versions (or generations). The most current one should be Heartgold and Soulsilver (HS and SS for short). There are only marginal differences between HS and SS. The game has always been for handheld (currently for NDS), but you can emulate it on your PC. ----------------- I am fairly inspired by all of the reports above about shiny Xatu, Ralts, Psyducks, which are really good pokemon to use (and no, it's not because I like psychic types....). I have always been worried that when I do see a shiny pokemon, it would be a common, and poor species (for example, the majority of bug and normal types). On June 28 2010 05:14 TOloseGT wrote: Do you all have NDS? How is Heartgold and Soulsilver? Better than Gold and Silver? It's a remake of Gold and Silver with major improvements. It's definitely better. On June 28 2010 05:10 Entertaining wrote: i caught a shiney rapidash, it has blue flames... i named it blue. although rapidash is useless so he's pretty much just for show :D I actually think rapidash is not *THAT BAD*. It can learn Flare Blitz by leveling up, which is the best move possible for a fire-type physical sweeper. | ||
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Empyrean
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On June 28 2010 07:40 LegendaryDreams wrote: If you guys want a fun battling simulator that is very easy to use and competitive: http://www.pokemon-online.eu/downloads.php Why aren't you suggesting Shoddy Battle? Also, to the OP, you should seriously consider just spending three hours one afternoon and learn how to abuse the random number generator. It's not that difficult, but if you get unlucky with frames/seeds, sometimes it can be slightly aggravating. | ||
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Empyrean
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On June 28 2010 05:55 ilovezil wrote: Shiny pokemon are those that you encounter in the wild that make this shiny effect and come in different colors than the regular version of that pokemon (i.e. - the red gyarados from pokemon silver/gold/crystal). They also have amped up stats than the rest of their original counterparts. They have exactly the same stats as their non-shiny counterparts. | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
On June 28 2010 08:11 Empyrean wrote: They have exactly the same stats as their non-shiny counterparts. They only had identical stats starting in the 3rd generation (R/S/E). Shiny pokemon actually had inferior stats back in G/S/C because the shiny formula was based on IVs (and bad ones at that). But nowadays that doesn't matter, but it was really funny back a while ago. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On June 28 2010 08:10 Empyrean wrote: Why aren't you suggesting Shoddy Battle? Also, to the OP, you should seriously consider just spending three hours one afternoon and learn how to abuse the random number generator. It's not that difficult, but if you get unlucky with frames/seeds, sometimes it can be slightly aggravating. Omg. I played a fair bit of Shoddy last summer but completely forgot about it. Might give that another go. | ||
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Empyrean
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On June 28 2010 08:27 NightFury wrote: They only had identical stats starting in the 3rd generation (R/S/E). Shiny pokemon actually had inferior stats back in G/S/C because the shiny formula was based on IVs (and bad ones at that). But nowadays that doesn't matter, but it was really funny back a while ago. Haha I never knew that :D...I only started to seriously battle (online...old NetBattle) in the RSE era. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On June 28 2010 03:15 fabiano wrote: Pokemon, both games and manga/anime, was good when there was only 151 of them. More than 151 pokemon is BULLSHIT. Red and Blue are the real games, the rest is BULLSHIT. ummm ok... | ||
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Bibbit
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Raydog
United States632 Posts
anyone know where to watch it online? | ||
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Empyrean
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On June 28 2010 08:37 Bibbit wrote: Empyrean, were/are you a big name in competitive Pokemans? I might be familiar enough with the scene to know who you are. But it all seems so long ago. T_T Haha, no, not really. I have a smogon account on an alt, and none of my Shoddy accounts match up with either my TL or smogon accounts. I used to be very good at NetBattle (had a very potent Dusclops set that I don't think anyone else used...Pain Split/Curse/WoW/Protect with def/spd EVs), but I'm worse at DPP. I'm a consistent ~1400 CRE on shoddy with most of my teams, so in terms of skill, I'm above average in the smogon shoddy server, and way ahead of the general Pokemon playing base. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On June 28 2010 08:46 Empyrean wrote: Haha, no, not really. I have a smogon account on an alt, and none of my Shoddy accounts match up with either my TL or smogon accounts. I used to be very good at NetBattle (had a very potent Dusclops set that I don't think anyone else used...Pain Split/Curse/WoW/Protect with def/spd EVs), but I'm worse at DPP. I'm a consistent ~1400 CRE on shoddy with most of my teams, so in terms of skill, I'm above average in the smogon shoddy server, and way ahead of the general Pokemon playing base. I'm just trying to remember how to play right now but I think I was about 1300-1400 CRE back in the day. We should play sometime. Right now I'm ass but hopefully I can be less ass soon and maybe get a feel for where the metagame is at. Edit: Does Scizor still rape everything and is it on like every team still? | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
I definitely suggest Shoddy Battle if you are interested in competitive Pokemon. Even though the interface is pretty basic, it is really easy to use and popular. | ||
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YPang
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
Good luck in your shiny quest though. | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
On June 28 2010 08:51 Bibbit wrote: I'm just trying to remember how to play right now but I think I was about 1300-1400 CRE back in the day. We should play sometime. Right now I'm ass but hopefully I can be less ass soon and maybe get a feel for where the metagame is at. Edit: Does Scizor still rape everything and is it on like every team still? Haven't played competitively in a while, but Scizor is still totally awesome. And in May 2010 (didn't find any more recent statistics), he was the most popular pokemon on teams in the standard OU ladder. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72965 I doubt there will be any major shifts in the competitive scene until the 5th generation comes out. Scizor still makes for one of the best scouts/revenge killers in the game and SD movesets make him really strong as a late game sweeper. All this discussion makes me want to get back into this haha. Edit: Forgot we're still in June haha. Those are the most recent statistics. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On June 28 2010 09:58 NightFury wrote: Haven't played competitively in a while, but Scizor is still totally awesome. And in May 2010 (didn't find any more recent statistics), he was the most popular pokemon on teams in the standard OU ladder. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72965 I doubt there will be any major shifts in the competitive scene until the 5th generation comes out. Scizor still makes for one of the best scouts/revenge killers in the game and SD movesets make him really strong as a late game sweeper. All this discussion makes me want to get back into this haha. Edit: Forgot we're still in June haha. Those are the most recent statistics. I couldnt help but get into it the second someone mentioned Shoddy. :/ Also, I might be remembering wrong, but I think Scizor had gotten as high as like 33% at one point. | ||
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Izlude
Canada8 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On June 28 2010 10:20 Izlude wrote: Scizor only reached such a high usage % due to the OU Tier being centralized around latias, mence, and rotom-a. Scizor pursuit traps rotom and latias and checks mence after SR and one turn of LO recoil. If he wasn't able to check so many prominent threats his usage would be very low as he has a lot of hard counters who use him as easy setup bait. Well yeah. Its not like he was really a monster. He just is really useful vs so many other top guys. And I realized we're starting to shit up the thread, I'll stop. | ||
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
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LegendaryDreams
Canada1350 Posts
On June 28 2010 08:10 Empyrean wrote: Why aren't you suggesting Shoddy Battle? Also, to the OP, you should seriously consider just spending three hours one afternoon and learn how to abuse the random number generator. It's not that difficult, but if you get unlucky with frames/seeds, sometimes it can be slightly aggravating. It's the new battle simulator and many people on shoddy are moving over to it. Give it a try, maybe we can battle too. | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
On June 28 2010 10:20 Izlude wrote: Scizor only reached such a high usage % due to the OU Tier being centralized around latias, mence, and rotom-a. Scizor pursuit traps rotom and latias and checks mence after SR and one turn of LO recoil. If he wasn't able to check so many prominent threats his usage would be very low as he has a lot of hard counters who use him as easy setup bait. My apologies if I'm wrong since I haven't played in a long time. I thought it was rather difficult to setup on a CB Scizor (which was his most useful set if I recall) due to using U-Turn frequently? Scizor would check and threaten the aforementioned pokemon and others but would U-Turn anticipating a switch (of course, this didn't happen all the time). This would often put a reasonable dent in the new pokemon and give you all the time in the world to choose your next one already seeing your opponent's hand. If you're faster and they didn't switch, you may be able to send in a new pokemon against the predicted attack against Scizor. And if you're slower... I don't know why you would stay in on say... a predicted flamethrower from mixmence. I though the skilled players didn't choice lock themselves until they had better knowledge of their opponent's team or desperately needed to KO a counter to another pokemon? Also, wouldn't a team using Scizor should have another pokemon that has good synergy with it in order to check those hard counters? Edit: Yes, we're derailing this thread. I'll also stop. =( | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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hi19hi19
United States163 Posts
On June 28 2010 10:42 NightFury wrote: My apologies if I'm wrong since I haven't played in a long time. I thought it was rather difficult to setup on a CB Scizor (which was his most useful set if I recall) due to using U-Turn frequently? Scizor would check and threaten the aforementioned pokemon and others but would U-Turn anticipating a switch (of course, this didn't happen all the time). This would often put a reasonable dent in the new pokemon and give you all the time in the world to choose your next one already seeing your opponent's hand. If you're faster and they didn't switch, you may be able to send in a new pokemon against the predicted attack against Scizor. And if you're slower... I don't know why you would stay in on say... a predicted flamethrower from mixmence. I though the skilled players didn't choice lock themselves until they had better knowledge of their opponent's team or desperately needed to KO a counter to another pokemon? Also, wouldn't a team using Scizor should have another pokemon that has good synergy with it in order to check those hard counters? Edit: Yes, we're derailing this thread. I'll also stop. =( Make a TL shoddy battle thread! Draw out all the other competitive pokemans hiding on TL It's an e-sports site, there's bound to be others! p.s. since I just started, every team with blissey in it rips me a new asshole she's such a fucking OP special wall I have no idea what to do lmao (i know what to do, predicting it is another issue, especially when they switch in a gen4 pokemon and i dont even know what its types are lol). Stuff like stealth rock also trips me up, when did they come up with that shit? so much has changed! | ||
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Empyrean
16986 Posts
On June 28 2010 11:02 hi19hi19 wrote: Make a TL shoddy battle thread! Draw out all the other competitive pokemans hiding on TL It's an e-sports site, there's bound to be others! p.s. since I just started, every team with blissey in it rips me a new asshole she's such a fucking OP special wall I have no idea what to do lmao (i know what to do, predicting it is another issue, especially when they switch in a gen4 pokemon and i dont even know what its types are lol). Stuff like stealth rock also trips me up, when did they come up with that shit? so much has changed! I'd say Blissey in DPP is much less threatening than it was in RSE. Lots of mixed attackers can deal with Blissey quite summarily. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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LegendaryDreams
Canada1350 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
Now stop destroying this one | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
EDIT: didn't realize it had turned to competitive pokemon by the time I posted :< | ||
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platypuses0
United States44 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 12:30 platypuses0 wrote: I caught a shiny Combee once... I felt pretty proud of myself until I realized that it was a male and and would therefore never be able to evolve... Hahahahahaha. I feel sorry for you.... On June 28 2010 11:43 Kenpachi wrote: what makes blissey so imba? High HP, high spdef, softboil... she can stall many turns for you while Toxic kicks in > | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
i havent leveled it though | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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Empyrean
16986 Posts
On June 28 2010 11:50 LegendaryDreams wrote: Walls almost anything and statuses them (toxic or twave) and then usually 3HKOS them with seismic toss. Ehh...most Blisseys nowadays serve support roles by passing Wish. TWave is infinitely more popular than Toxic as well. Seismic Toss is more or less a non-issue compared to TWaves and Wish passes. | ||
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FastEddieV
United States614 Posts
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YejinYejin
United States1053 Posts
On June 28 2010 15:15 Empyrean wrote: Ehh...most Blisseys nowadays serve support roles by passing Wish. TWave is infinitely more popular than Toxic as well. Seismic Toss is more or less a non-issue compared to TWaves and Wish passes. Unless you have a Toxic Stall team like mine, in which case your Blissey's role is to make your opponent rage quit. I saw a shiny Whismur. Caught it. Kind of useless, though. | ||
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Empyrean
16986 Posts
On June 28 2010 20:43 DTK-m2 wrote: Unless you have a Toxic Stall team like mine, in which case your Blissey's role is to make your opponent rage quit. I saw a shiny Whismur. Caught it. Kind of useless, though. Toxic stall doesn't work nearly as well as it did in GSC. | ||
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Pengu1n
United States552 Posts
i was sad i went back looking for him but could never find it... | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
(you must be playing a small lottery if its 1 in 8000 lol) | ||
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k20a
Canada412 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 28 2010 22:52 Pengu1n wrote: reminds me of the time i was running through some random field in pokemon silver and auto running from every pokemon who attacked me cuz i didn't feel like battling. i came across a shiny mareep, my favorite pokemon and i ran from it out of habit i was sad i went back looking for him but could never find it...O man. Mareep is my favourite pokemon too..... | ||
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