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sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
June 23 2010 02:52 GMT
#1
My girlfriend told me yesterday that she wants to try to understand what all the hype about StarCraft is. She's Korean (I know... how doesn't she already know right?!? ) Anyways, anyone got suggestions how I should go about teaching/showing her what the thousand and thousands of us are talking about?

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InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 23 2010 02:53 GMT
#2
Show her pictures of Reach and Nada and she'll become an instant fan, imo.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 23 2010 02:55 GMT
#3
Maybe show her a few progames and get her to learn to play. That should be enough if she's interested.
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
June 23 2010 02:57 GMT
#4
play macro micro with her and let her micro. Thats a good start
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KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
June 23 2010 02:58 GMT
#5
On June 23 2010 11:53 InTheFade wrote:
Show her pictures of Reach and Nada and she'll become an instant fan, imo.


She also wouldn't be his girlfriend anymore imo.
Just kidding, dude. Show her a few exciting, intense progames.
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DemiSe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
883 Posts
June 23 2010 02:58 GMT
#6
Let her tune into Day9's casts!
The most easy way I can think of is to try to explain the bigger picture instead of going into detail. Try to relate to any other game she might have played, or any "real-life" thing she can relate to.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8121 Posts
June 23 2010 02:58 GMT
#7
im pretty sure it's easier to get people into SC if you start them off on team games. hell even give team melee a shot
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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
June 23 2010 02:58 GMT
#8
i told my gf to beat the campaign first. she already gave up after 6 missions. think that that was a good idea? lol.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
June 23 2010 03:01 GMT
#9
Play as zerg and tell your spine crawlers to attack your spore colonies while fully zoomed in
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
June 23 2010 03:02 GMT
#10
Think big picture.
Explain the objectives of the game, the concept of economy, and how to use hotkeys.
Tell her to build lots of workers.
Set her loose.

I attempted to teach my ex how to play and she was so god awful it was painful to watch. If shes not a gamer at all you are going to have to be very very patient.
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
June 23 2010 03:02 GMT
#11
If she knows korean, show her some korean vods and stuff
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ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 03:07:05
June 23 2010 03:05 GMT
#12
On June 23 2010 12:02 Wr3k wrote:
Think big picture.
Explain the objectives of the game, the concept of economy, and how to use hotkeys.
Tell her to build lots of workers.
Set her loose.

I attempted to teach my ex how to play and she was so god awful it was painful to watch. If shes not a gamer at all you are going to have to be very very patient.



WAY too much information..

like, break it WAAAAY DOWNNN.

Remember, she doesn't even know marines exist. She doesnt know what vulture is or what it does.
Just have her play the game first , just sandbox it with her. Let her see how the units work, what can shoot air, stuff like that. Let her see through her own trails that its better to have more than one production building rather than queuing up 5 in 1 rax.

Before any strategy can be discussed, she has to know what pieces are on the game board.
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Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 23 2010 03:06 GMT
#13
Telling/teaching her to go play, à mon avis, probably isn't the best approach.

I got into Starcraft from watching the Korean progaming scene, and I imagine it'll be more fun for the un-RTS-initiated to watch before blindly trying to play. Most of the time, they'll suck miserably and be turned off immediately (generalizing), so I think it's more fun to watch, at least for now. Show her some of the threads that sort of explain Starcraft first!
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 03:16:02
June 23 2010 03:15 GMT
#14
After TL had the competition "post a video of your gf beating a computer" I realized 90% of you are inept teachers. Seriously. Telling your gf to "micro her zealots" is stupid.

I was in a similar situation and it was fun and easy. I started by showing her the basic units and rules, then we played a few 2v2s where I just kept us alive but didn't really attack. That got her used to making an army and getting her economy going. Then I helped coach her in 1v1 for a few games, which taught her very basic defense and timings. Then she was good to go. She could beat 2 comps when we broke up :D
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8121 Posts
June 23 2010 03:17 GMT
#15
On June 23 2010 11:58 hp.Methos wrote:
i told my gf to beat the campaign first. she already gave up after 6 missions. think that that was a good idea? lol.


bad idea. honestly the SC/BW campaign sucks by today's standards. skirmishs/team games are the way to go IMO
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DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
June 23 2010 03:29 GMT
#16
Play some team games in a friendly environment. If you can, play a 2vs2 with her against some of your mutual friends. In between games, try to devise some strategies together (nothing too elaborate or demanding of course). The social aspect of games really appeals to most girls, so use that to get her into Starcraft. Making her play solo against the computer or random opponents on Bnet/ICCup is a really bad idea. Also, until she has a good understanding of the game, she's not really going to get any enjoyment from watching professional games.
Initial_H.C.
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada560 Posts
June 23 2010 03:31 GMT
#17
I think it's important to know that it'll be quite a long process and you can't rush into too many things at once. Think back when you first learned the game. For some it took a few years, a few in about a year, and almost never in an instant.

It's important to keep an interest into it or else she might get bored and don't want to learn anymore. Show some VODs and have her engage in asking questions. Just have fun playing SC for now. Play lots of team games and build up all the basics. Watch some Proleague and Starleagues together.

I think it's much better in person. Play in front of her and explain what you're doing and why and then play next to each other and have her play as you coach. Gotta be really patient.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
June 23 2010 03:32 GMT
#18
On June 23 2010 12:15 Chill wrote:
After TL had the competition "post a video of your gf beating a computer" I realized 90% of you are inept teachers. Seriously. Telling your gf to "micro her zealots" is stupid.

I was in a similar situation and it was fun and easy. I started by showing her the basic units and rules, then we played a few 2v2s where I just kept us alive but didn't really attack. That got her used to making an army and getting her economy going. Then I helped coach her in 1v1 for a few games, which taught her very basic defense and timings. Then she was good to go. She could beat 2 comps when we broke up :D
lol this post has such a bittersweet ending haha.
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 23 2010 03:32 GMT
#19
Not a single double entendre, so disappointed at this thread. When I try to teach people who have never played games before I just tell them to pretend it's sim city in Iraq and build a lot of "houses" and "amy people". Worked moderately well, at least they had units and didn't build 1000 turrets.
KsBerzerk
Profile Joined July 2009
Japan105 Posts
June 23 2010 03:42 GMT
#20
yea just break it down to the basics and allow her to understand what you need to do. if she's a fast learner then it works out better but if she's slow then it'll just have to take the long way. but also consider that it depends on whether they are interested or not too.

korean vods are good. watch enough of them after having a basic understanding will explain a lot. They break it down so it's easy to understand according to what most ppl tell me. They'll apply it to real life situations or something like that I don't remember lol... but yea they help improve extremely fast
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
June 23 2010 03:48 GMT
#21
On June 23 2010 12:15 Chill wrote:
After TL had the competition "post a video of your gf beating a computer" I realized 90% of you are inept teachers. Seriously. Telling your gf to "micro her zealots" is stupid.

So true. I've seen the same crap for years on bnet. Clan guy is teaching newbie and is giving him advice that is terrible for his skill level...
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 23 2010 03:53 GMT
#22
On June 23 2010 12:15 Chill wrote:
After TL had the competition "post a video of your gf beating a computer" I realized 90% of you are inept teachers. Seriously. Telling your gf to "micro her zealots" is stupid.

I was in a similar situation and it was fun and easy. I started by showing her the basic units and rules, then we played a few 2v2s where I just kept us alive but didn't really attack. That got her used to making an army and getting her economy going. Then I helped coach her in 1v1 for a few games, which taught her very basic defense and timings. Then she was good to go. She could beat 2 comps when we broke up :D


Somehow I imagine the process leading up to that is the reason why you guys broke up.
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Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
June 23 2010 04:56 GMT
#23
On June 23 2010 12:15 Chill wrote:
After TL had the competition "post a video of your gf beating a computer" I realized 90% of you are inept teachers. Seriously. Telling your gf to "micro her zealots" is stupid.


wait what? when was this? My ex could get D+ on iccup =[
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hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
June 23 2010 05:03 GMT
#24
play macro micro with her and let her micro. Thats a good start

nononononon you'll just ragequit when you lose.
I've had some pretty stupid allies.
One game I lost like 3 nexus to a group of vultures...along with a 160 supply army of goon/zeal/arb/obs, and he was my friend irl.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
June 23 2010 05:03 GMT
#25
On June 23 2010 12:17 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2010 11:58 hp.Methos wrote:
i told my gf to beat the campaign first. she already gave up after 6 missions. think that that was a good idea? lol.


bad idea. honestly the SC/BW campaign sucks by today's standards. skirmishs/team games are the way to go IMO


well, that's how i learned how to play at first. that's why i did it. and she's completely new to rts games.
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Ramsing
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada233 Posts
June 23 2010 05:37 GMT
#26
Just try and encourage her to enjoy the game...do so by playing easy stuff like 3v3 bgh with a stacked team (give her a basic build beforehand and tell her to play protoss) so you can own and she wont be instantly discouraged by doing something like 1v1ing on iccup
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
June 23 2010 05:53 GMT
#27
On June 23 2010 12:01 Newguy wrote:
Play as zerg and tell your spine crawlers to attack your spore colonies while fully zoomed in


haha.. that's a good idea. she'll get wet fast ^_^
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
June 23 2010 07:52 GMT
#28
I would just set her up with toss and put her right on ICCUP ladder...














It is toss after all
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15345 Posts
June 23 2010 07:54 GMT
#29
I renamed your thread to be more in line with TL girlfriend blog standards.

Also I don't know why people think teaching your girlfriend Starcraft should be anywhere different than teaching anyone Starcraft. Do what Chill did. Minus the breaking up part.
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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
June 23 2010 07:58 GMT
#30
Play 2v2s like Chill said. Nothing makes a noob happier, then pretending their skilled while you do all the actual work. :D
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 23 2010 08:18 GMT
#31
Yea 2v2 is a good idea. Of course you have to tell her all the basics first (building, units, what to produce and so on).

What i did back then was after the game, I showed her BWchart and told her what APM was. Then after couple of games her APM started to rise from 45 to like 70. She looked so happy as if her math paper score went up from 45 to 70 XD
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dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
June 23 2010 09:02 GMT
#32
Hmm... show her a pro match. Then let her play a 1v1 against a computer all on her own. After that you can try to instruct her with very basic game knowledge... expanding lets you get more resources quickly, more unit production buildings lets you build your army faster. Really simple things like that are surprisingly difficult for people new to RTS to grasp. Why I recommend letting her watch a pro game, then doing her own thing is because she has to understand both what works and how difficult it is to pull off.

Someone new to Starcraft can't be told strategies. You can't sit behind her telling her what to do, because then she's not really playing. If you try what I suggest, you're going to have the urge to help her right away. Don't. It'll be difficult for her indeed, but learning Starcraft with no RTS background (I realize she may have RTS history, but you didn't mention it so I assume not) is a very fragile task.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 09:53:04
June 23 2010 09:50 GMT
#33
I'd start off with a very intense VOD where everybody's screaming all the time, like Bisu vs Yellow for example. She'll see the stage, the fans with their posters, the commentators, the screaming and how excited everybody is. Explain to her how popular Starcraft is in her mother country even after 12 years, with two TV channels dedicated to it and even the Air Force employing a team of professional gamers. Then hopefully she'll say to herself, "if all those people are so hyped, then perhaps there's something to this game after all". I'd then try some team melee or 2v2 to get her started so she isn't on her own from the beginning.
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
June 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#34
no rush 20 min and do massive battles!
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
June 23 2010 10:16 GMT
#35
On June 23 2010 16:54 zatic wrote:
I renamed your thread to be more in line with TL girlfriend blog standards.

Also I don't know why people think teaching your girlfriend Starcraft should be anywhere different than teaching anyone Starcraft. Do what Chill did. Minus the breaking up part.


ohhhhh

man i thought HE capitalized the KOREAN GF lol
why so 진지해?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24701 Posts
June 23 2010 10:26 GMT
#36
On June 23 2010 18:02 dudeman001 wrote:
Hmm... show her a pro match. Then let her play a 1v1 against a computer all on her own. After that you can try to instruct her with very basic game knowledge... expanding lets you get more resources quickly, more unit production buildings lets you build your army faster. Really simple things like that are surprisingly difficult for people new to RTS to grasp. Why I recommend letting her watch a pro game, then doing her own thing is because she has to understand both what works and how difficult it is to pull off.

This advice seems similar to what Chill was talking about earlier.

Showing her a pro match is something I wouldn't start with but at least it could have some value. But, having her do a 1v1 against a computer isn't a good starting step... it takes a while to get the basic comfort with the interface before you stand a chance. Instructing her on basic game knowledge is good, but not things like "expanding lets you get more resources quickly." She needs to be able to control one base first! More unit buildings let you build faster? Well yeah she will need to know that but not before she's used to the general sequence of making buildings and units.

Hell yeah this is surprisingly difficult for her to grasp... you've basically set her up for failure with that sequence.
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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 14:05:27
June 23 2010 11:48 GMT
#37
lol my gf went on youtube (by herself, i did no tell her to do this) and watched 5 games from the last OSL. very proud of her. she knows a few of the progamers now haha
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 12:10:45
June 23 2010 12:04 GMT
#38
Try playing through the campaign in single player.

It gives you a basic knowledge of what the units are and do. The levels may not be overly complicated and you can start/stop pretty much whenever you want. I mean, the first Terran bootcamp thing is like build 2 supply depots and train 5 marines.

It's hard to appreciate watching a pro level TvZ game for example if you don't really know what a science vessel does. That should come later.
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
June 23 2010 12:13 GMT
#39
weird.. i couldve sworn this thread didnt ask for help on teaching his gf how to play but rather showing her what starcraft is about? hence why i suggested vods >< but since the title has been renamed, yea i guess just do what chill said.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 12:31:53
June 23 2010 12:31 GMT
#40
I would just set her up with toss and put her right on ICCUP ladder...














She is korean after all
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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
June 23 2010 13:06 GMT
#41
Learning all the units uses and weaknesses first are the most important basics, after that you should just have her mass games verus computers while you sit next to her and give her tips. If she doesn't like 1v1 then start out with 2v2, 2v2 are the best way of teaching someone the basics. If you make her use the keyboard early for hotkeys and such so she makes it a habit she will have an even easier time learning. Usually newbies get uncomfortable using hotkeys ingame and prefer using the mouse.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 23 2010 13:21 GMT
#42
On June 23 2010 11:57 n.DieJokes wrote:
play macro micro with her and let her micro. Thats a good start

fuck, why didn't I think of that when I tried to teach my gf. What a good idea.
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lOstHeaven
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada212 Posts
June 23 2010 13:44 GMT
#43
Don't even bother teaching her how to play. Just make her try the race and let her play on her own pace whatever race she thinks its cute and have friendly 2v2. Eventually she will ask you what to do and then u start teaching her. Work fine for me....before it all end.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
June 23 2010 13:49 GMT
#44
Some1 showed me BoxeR game. He defeat 13 zergs in a row. And using SCV with marine to win games. The blind the medic and nuke. All those epic stuff got me into watching Starcraft keke.

He also tell me how Starcraft got so popular while Warcraft 3 cannot. Because of greater supply, harder to micro and bigger battle kekeke.

But when I watch, BoxeR already not fielding out for games anymore
When BoxeR is younger he look like some1 came out from the anime world. Now he is still good looking but he has more veteran look nowadays.
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
June 23 2010 15:06 GMT
#45
On June 23 2010 12:15 Chill wrote:
After TL had the competition "post a video of your gf beating a computer" I realized 90% of you are inept teachers. Seriously. Telling your gf to "micro her zealots" is stupid.

I was in a similar situation and it was fun and easy. I started by showing her the basic units and rules, then we played a few 2v2s where I just kept us alive but didn't really attack. That got her used to making an army and getting her economy going. Then I helped coach her in 1v1 for a few games, which taught her very basic defense and timings. Then she was good to go. She could beat 2 comps when we broke up :D


That makes me think of My Fair Lady except for bw. Seriously would make a good premise :D

Yeah I've noticed a lot of people tend to do that teaching stuff (especially informal things like games,where there's no precedence of a lesson plan you've experienced). It's like they get excited about the thing themselves and just jump all over the place without an overall view.
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Peekay.switch
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada285 Posts
June 23 2010 15:09 GMT
#46
Starcraft 2 is probably easier to get into.
I Think having her watch a few videos is a really nice beginning.
Day[9] daily where he explain the very basics of the game and how to get better.
Also, HDH where it's Tasteless vs Day[9] and Tasteless cancels his Robo into a 4 Gate Push
Then you can have her play against AIs and teach her a little before moving to 2v2 when the beta is back :D

But if you wanna get her into Starcraft 1, You should probably do what Hot Bids said
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
June 23 2010 16:53 GMT
#47
Make her play Terran. Start LT. Show her how to wall-in. Show her how to cliffdrop. Then just let her build an army and crush the AI.
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